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We live in interesting times......
Madam speaker Nancy Pelosi wants to put a Windfall Tax on all stock market profits ( including Retirement fund, 401K and Mutual Funds! Alas , it is true - all to help the 12 Million Illegal Immigrants and other unemployed Minorities!) As usual the truth is something with which you're unfamiliar. http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec...taxing_windfal l_stock_profits.html Your source is a chain email letter that is pure garbage. That was in 2007. Its now 2009. You are behind the times Read it you moron. It's the same damn garbage revisited. How many times do you have to hit yourself over the head with a brick before you finally figure out that it hurts? WB Yeats Its entirely believable, considering Pelosi is a Marxist And ....Democrats have been floating the idea of taxing 401k plans... http://www.workforce.com/section/00/...e/25/83/58.php House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive. Comments 0 | Recommend 498 October 16, 2008 House Democrats Contemplate Abolishing 401(k) Tax Breaks Powerful House Democrats are eyeing proposals to overhaul the nation's $3 trillion 401(k) system, including the elimination of most of the $80 billion in annual tax breaks that 401(k) investors receive. House Education and Labor Committee Chairman George Miller, D-California, and Rep. Jim McDermott, D-Washington, chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee's Subcommittee on Income Security and Family Support, are looking at redirecting those tax breaks to a new system of guaranteed retirement accounts to which all workers would be obliged to contribute. A plan by Teresa Ghilarducci, professor of economic-policy analysis at the New School for Social Research in New York, contains elements that are being considered. She testified last week before Miller's Education and Labor Committee on her proposal. (snip) Well that was in October 2008 and it was ONE person's testimony that all of a sudden (according to you) has become Dem policy. At least according to a slew of wingnut sites - like FreeRep, etc; Psstttttt..... it hasn't. Miller has done absolutely nothing on Ghilarducci's proposal - nor is anything likely to come of it. There will probably be an overhaul of the various retirement programs as the Feds are likely to inherit a ton of pension plan debt as many companies are very short on their pension funds - to the tune of about $350 billion or more depending upon who one believes. The Big 3 alone has a shortfall of $41 billion. This does not include state and local pensions that have taken a huge hit over the past year. The bleeding has barely begun as there is still trillions in unsecured debt that the banks ran up in their race to the bottom. Swiss banks that were capitalized at 100 to one will be the next biggies. BTW - Bozo - are you getting Miller and Pelosi confused as Pelosi has said NOTHING that you claim she had? Nice try but no banana. And how's that great Rep plan to privatize Social Security because the market has greater returns. Tell that to all the folks who just lost a third of their retirement due to the excesses of a few Wall Street gamblers, many politicians, most regulators, and a Ponzi Scheme that just couln't fail. WB Yeats The astounding thing is that as clear as it is that privatizing Social Security would have been a disaster that hasn't cooled the right wing's desire to do it. Just ask any right winger and they will tell you the way to fix things is to do what they did when Bush took over. In short, by letting the market decide. Their free market and deregulation policies are what got us here in the first place, but when Obama tries to change those insane policies they do everything they can to stop him, and their recommendations are to do more of what they already did. Thank our lucky stars they are now in the minority. Imagine what would happen if the republicans did what they wanted now. Can you say Depression II? As for the 06 Democratic congress being to blame for our problems, what a joke. Anyone who knows anything understands that with an evenly split congress and a republican president there was little the Democrats could do. Anyone who doesn't believe that can pay attention to what happens now when the Democrats are in control. Things are going to pass and they are going to be just the sort of things that republicans are completely opposed to. It won't matter though because the Democrats have control now, which means the things they want to do will happen. Compare that to what they accomplished when Bush was still president. The difference will be huge. It'll be good for average Americans too and not just the elites like when Bush was in office. Hawke |
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