Obviously a controlled demolition....ummm.....which means 9-11 was an
inside job and the whole GWoT is a giant fraud designed by the
insiders to destroy the US Constitution and create a one world
government/New World Order. Sort of like Hitler had Goering burn the
Reichstag so that the Furher could gain draconian powers to fight the
"communists" who were blamed at the time for that incident. It's
called: "false flag terrorism".

Yes, it's very difficult to come to grips with exactly how evil the
evilest amongst us are, but a review of the last century's dictators
may give you a hint about what they are capable of.

Put this in conjunction with the massive financial shenanigans that
are destroying the dollar and you can see that a massive corruption is
being conducted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

Metalworking content: anybody have any other then demolition
explanation for how this 47 story steel structured building (which was
hardly damaged and NOT hit by any airplane) collapsed in on itself in
a neat pile? In most cities, this would have been THE biggest building
in town. There are engineers and architects calling the official NIST
report on this collapse pure BS.

If you are still drinking the left-right paradigm Kool-Aid. You need
to wake up and start checking out the details on 9-11. Something is
seriously wrong.
Dave

wrote in message
...
Obviously a controlled demolition....ummm.....which means 9-11 was an
inside job and the whole GWoT is a giant fraud designed by the
insiders to destroy the US Constitution and create a one world
government/New World Order. Sort of like Hitler had Goering burn the
Reichstag so that the Furher could gain draconian powers to fight the
"communists" who were blamed at the time for that incident. It's
called: "false flag terrorism".
snip

What REALLY happened is:

Just like every other day for too many years, Herbert Fillister listened to
his wife Martha drone on and on about how their terrible satellite reception
was making "Opra" almost unwatchable. Something snapped in Herbert on this
particular day. HE was the focus of the ceaseless venomous attacks by
Martha who just loved Opra. HE decided on the satellite service against
Martha's misgivings. HE was...dead meat! There was only one thing he could
do to end his misery. The Twin Towers interfered with Opra and they just
had to go.

On Jan 7, 1:07*am, wrote:
Obviously a controlled demolition....ummm.....which means 9-11 was an
inside job and the whole GWoT is a giant fraud designed by the
insiders to destroy the US Constitution and create a one world
government/New World Order. Sort of like Hitler had Goering burn the
Reichstag so that the Furher could gain draconian powers to fight the
"communists" who were blamed at the time for that incident. It's
called: "false flag terrorism".

Yes, it's very difficult to come to grips with exactly how evil the
evilest amongst us are, but a review of the last century's dictators
may give you a hint about what they are capable of.

Put this in conjunction with the massive financial shenanigans that
are destroying the dollar and you can see that a massive corruption is
being conducted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

Metalworking content: anybody have any other then demolition
explanation for how this 47 story steel structured building (which was
hardly damaged and NOT hit by any airplane) collapsed in on itself in
a neat pile? In most cities, this would have been THE biggest building
in town. There are engineers and architects calling the official NIST
report on this collapse pure BS.

If you are still drinking the left-right paradigm Kool-Aid. You need
to wake up and start checking out the details on 9-11. Something is
seriously wrong.
Dave

The lie is that there was no damage to the building.

I suggest you head to
http://forums.randi.org/

and do some research, but you won't.


Dave

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 07:33:43 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:


wrote in message
.. .
Obviously a controlled demolition....ummm.....which means 9-11 was an
inside job and the whole GWoT is a giant fraud designed by the
insiders to destroy the US Constitution and create a one world
government/New World Order. Sort of like Hitler had Goering burn the
Reichstag so that the Furher could gain draconian powers to fight the
"communists" who were blamed at the time for that incident. It's
called: "false flag terrorism".
snip

What REALLY happened is:

Just like every other day for too many years, Herbert Fillister listened to
his wife Martha drone on and on about how their terrible satellite reception
was making "Opra" almost unwatchable. Something snapped in Herbert on this
particular day. HE was the focus of the ceaseless venomous attacks by
Martha who just loved Opra. HE decided on the satellite service against
Martha's misgivings. HE was...dead meat! There was only one thing he could
do to end his misery. The Twin Towers interfered with Opra and they just
had to go.

I am breathlessly waiting for the second episode to unfold, Tawm. When
is it due?

Will there be sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll involved? Metalworking?

--
Books are the compasses and telescopes and sextants and charts which other
men have prepared to help us navigate the dangerous seas of human life.
--Jesse Lee Bennett

In article ,
wrote:
Obviously a controlled demolition....ummm.....which means 9-11 was an
inside job and the whole GWoT is a giant fraud designed by the
insiders to destroy the US Constitution and create a one world
government/New World Order. Sort of like Hitler had Goering burn the
Reichstag so that the Furher could gain draconian powers to fight the
"communists" who were blamed at the time for that incident. It's
called: "false flag terrorism".

Yes, it's very difficult to come to grips with exactly how evil the
evilest amongst us are, but a review of the last century's dictators
may give you a hint about what they are capable of.

Put this in conjunction with the massive financial shenanigans that
are destroying the dollar and you can see that a massive corruption is
being conducted.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U0GW6QXKyp0

Metalworking content: anybody have any other then demolition
explanation for how this 47 story steel structured building (which was
hardly damaged and NOT hit by any airplane) collapsed in on itself in


Fire. Hours of fire with no water for sprinklers and firefighting.

You've been lied to by members of the "Half Truth Movement", people
that use the word, "truth" much too much.


--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:49:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:


The lie is that there was no damage to the building.

I suggest you head to
http://forums.randi.org/

and do some research, but you won't.

Dave

There certainly wasn't enough damage to eplain its collapse. Nor does
that explain the explosions in the building reported by at least one
witness who was actually in the building (Barry Jennings IIRC) who is
now dead under mysterious circumstances.

That website is non-responsive. And I'll research it and have.
Dave

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 06:49:12 -0800 (PST), wrote:


The lie is that there was no damage to the building.

I suggest you head to
http://forums.randi.org/

and do some research, but you won't.

Dave

There certainly wasn't enough damage to eplain its collapse. Nor does
that explain the explosions in the building reported by at least one
witness who was actually in the building (Barry Jennings IIRC) who is
now dead under mysterious circumstances.


Jennings heard beams from the collapse of the North Tower hitting
WTC7. Being inside, he didn't have a clue what it was at the time.

"explosion" is just good word for "loud noise". There were lots of
loud noises heard at WTC on 9/11.

There were no sounds or video consistant with man-made demolition.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the WTC7 collapse says that they think
man-made demolition was the casue.

--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

I am breathlessly waiting for the second episode to unfold, Tawm. When
is it due?

Will there be sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll involved? Metalworking?


Meanwhile in high-Earth orbit, a grinning Commander Yakrut saluted smartly
as he entered Admiral Slatnick's battle command center. He was bearing very
good news indeed! "Admiral we are far ahead of schedule, our agents have
convinced the Earth's present inhabitance that their industry is creating an
undesirable climate warming. They actually bought the notion that CO2 gas
emissions are causing this. Soon, their infrastructure, manufacturing
capabilities and ability to resist our control will completely crumble. We
can soon commence harvesting the humans and they will be as docile as
nansils in spring...and much tastier! Our agents are also convincing the
humans to change their diets to exclude animal proteins that give the meat
that unpleasant flavor. Yes Admiral, we will be come very wealthy when we
can get all this fresh human meat to the markets on Zorkon! Stupid, stupid
humans...but SO delicious!!!

On 7 Jan 2009 19:46:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:


Jennings heard beams from the collapse of the North Tower hitting
WTC7. Being inside, he didn't have a clue what it was at the time.

"explosion" is just good word for "loud noise". There were lots of
loud noises heard at WTC on 9/11.

There were no sounds or video consistant with man-made demolition.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the WTC7 collapse says that they think
man-made demolition was the casue.

Well....don't believe your own eyes when you watch the video then.
It's plainly a controlled demolition.

Here's another good video for you:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc8_1231246502

Dave

On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:14:52 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


Popular Mechanics did a total debunk of this. It's a non issue.

Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

1. Fire. 2. Physical damage from huge chunks of flying stuff.

The latest NIST report admits that no "hollowing out" of the building
ocurred due to "chunks of flying stuff". Look at the vids. The
structure was basically intact, leaving only fire damage as the
supposed cause.

And the most important IMHO, there was an existing major power utility
substation on the WTC7 site that fed that whole area of Manhattan.
Dozens of flammable oil-filled transformers and oil-filled high
voltage underground transmission lines, ergo lots of fuel for a fire.

When they built the WTC7 building over the top of the power station
they had to place columns and footings all around the outside at
irregular intervals, where they could get clear shots around the power
feed cables coming in and out, and down to Bedrock for new footings.
Then they had to put huge bridge beams across the 'roof' of the power
plant for all the columns of the new building above.

They made a huge cantilevered rats-nest of structural steel over the
power plant. They had to turn irregularly spaced footings into a
regular spaced grid of pillars to support the building above, they
can't lease a building with lots of odd shaped spaces in it and
columns popping through the middle of the room.

And when there is a fire underneath all that steel you only need a
few weak spots or design errors for the beam under the hottest part
ofg the fire to go into plastic deformation and fail, or one of the
junction joints to unzip, and the whole thing is coming apart. When
you kick the ground floor out from under a high-rise, Gravity is going
to take over and drop the rest. That's the exact same way that a
controlled demolition works, so of course the Conspiracy Therorists
are going to say that it was Man-Made.

And would this fire caused pastic deformation in various separate
structural areas cause the building to fall perfectly symetrically at
free fall speed? No. Watch the vids. That is exactly what occurs.

But it's going to be REALLY Hard to rig a building for a successful
demolition without somebody noticing - even if they were rushing, a
proper demolitions setup that has any chance of working is going to
take several hundred man-hours of work to prepare.

Exactly. It had to be done in advance....which means the whole thing
is a false flag terror op similar to the Reichstag fire.

They have to take the drywalll covers off all the beams, then scrape
off all the sprayed-on fireproofing. Then get in there with cutting
torches and strategically weaken all the columns just llike you notch
a tall tree to fall in the direction you want. Then they have to cut
holes in the beam webs to insert the shaped cartridges on both sides.
And it's going to be nearly impossible to hide all the detcord and
fusing components needed to rig the charges for firing.

The conspiracy theories indicate the use of a relatively new technique
using thermate to cut the beams.....different then thermite. And it
would be perfectly possible to create a computer program operating a
radio controlled detonation system that would eliminate the detcord.
Each charge would have a circuit board listening for the coded signal
telling it when to go off.

If it isn't rigged right the building won't drop, or only one side
might come down - there are lots of video examples of failed
demolitions floating around, I've seen several. Now they have an
unstable building they have to finish dropping from the outside with a
wrecking ball - you simply can't find anyone dumb enough to go inside
a building that could drop any second to set more charges.

And if that happens, there's lots of evidence remaining to show the
failed attempt. If you are trying to pull off a massive conspiracy
you don''t want to take ANY chances with potentially leaving a huge
smoking gun pointed right back at you.

-- Bruce --

The pulverisation of the WTC complex buildings left little in the way
of evidence to be pieced back together. The steel was quickly gathered
up and sent for reprocessing overseas.

The whole thing smacks of BS. Too many discrepencies. Too many of the
globalists (like Kissinger) now running around calling for a New World
Order.

I believe that the whole thing is a carefully orchastrated event.
Another step towards the institution of a one world government.
Hegalian dialectic: Problem : Reaction : Solution.

The leadership creates a problem, to create a public reaction, and
then wheels out a pre-made solution to the problem THEY created to
insure that the public will give them more power and authority.
Witness the Reichstag fire. Same deal.
Dave

"Buerste" wrote:


Meanwhile in high-Earth orbit, a grinning Commander Yakrut saluted smartly
as he entered Admiral Slatnick's battle command center.

Rotflmao

On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 21:42:44 -0500, the infamous "Buerste"
scrawled the following:


"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
.. .

I am breathlessly waiting for the second episode to unfold, Tawm. When
is it due?

Will there be sex, drugs, and rock'n'roll involved? Metalworking?


Meanwhile in high-Earth orbit, a grinning Commander Yakrut saluted smartly
as he entered Admiral Slatnick's battle command center. He was bearing very
good news indeed! "Admiral we are far ahead of schedule, our agents have
convinced the Earth's present inhabitance that their industry is creating an
undesirable climate warming. They actually bought the notion that CO2 gas
emissions are causing this. Soon, their infrastructure, manufacturing
capabilities and ability to resist our control will completely crumble. We
can soon commence harvesting the humans and they will be as docile as
nansils in spring...and much tastier! Our agents are also convincing the
humans to change their diets to exclude animal proteins that give the meat
that unpleasant flavor. Yes Admiral, we will be come very wealthy when we
can get all this fresh human meat to the markets on Zorkon! Stupid, stupid
humans...but SO delicious!!!

Aha, I _knew_ there was something inherently evil about the lemming
(nansil) liberal policy. They're naively in cahoots with the space (vs
the 20+ million illegal) aliens.

I can't wait for the next episode. Will the overwhelmingly powerful
manufacturing capabilities and genius incarnate in the Ohio Brush
Company come to our rescue? Let us prey (pray, too) so!

Editor's note: That's "inhabitants", Earthling!


--
Books are the compasses and telescopes and sextants and charts which other
men have prepared to help us navigate the dangerous seas of human life.
--Jesse Lee Bennett

In article ,
wrote:
On 7 Jan 2009 19:46:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:


Jennings heard beams from the collapse of the North Tower hitting
WTC7. Being inside, he didn't have a clue what it was at the time.

"explosion" is just good word for "loud noise". There were lots of
loud noises heard at WTC on 9/11.

There were no sounds or video consistant with man-made demolition.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the WTC7 collapse says that they think
man-made demolition was the casue.

Well....don't believe your own eyes when you watch the video then.
It's plainly a controlled demolition.


Nobody that was an eyewitness agrees with you.

--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

In article ,
wrote:
On 7 Jan 2009 19:46:56 -0500, (Al Dykes) wrote:


Jennings heard beams from the collapse of the North Tower hitting
WTC7. Being inside, he didn't have a clue what it was at the time.

"explosion" is just good word for "loud noise". There were lots of
loud noises heard at WTC on 9/11.

There were no sounds or video consistant with man-made demolition.

Nobody that was an eyewitness to the WTC7 collapse says that they think
man-made demolition was the casue.

Well....don't believe your own eyes when you watch the video then.
It's plainly a controlled demolition.

Here's another good video for you:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=fc8_1231246502


If you think Bamford believes there was man-made demolition at WTC,
you are nuts.

Read all his books (4?) they are great.




--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

In article ,
wrote:
On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:14:52 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


Popular Mechanics did a total debunk of this. It's a non issue.

Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

1. Fire. 2. Physical damage from huge chunks of flying stuff.

The latest NIST report admits that no "hollowing out" of the building
ocurred due to "chunks of flying stuff". Look at the vids. The
structure was basically intact, leaving only fire damage as the
supposed cause.

Correct, NIST didn't say

"hollowing out" of the building
ocurred due to "chunks of flying stuff". Look at the vids. The
structure was basically intact, leaving only fire damage as the
supposed cause.

They did say structural failure due to protracted fire was the cause.









--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:

Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...



Gunner


"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

wrote:

On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:14:52 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:



Popular Mechanics did a total debunk of this. It's a non issue.


Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.


1. Fire. 2. Physical damage from huge chunks of flying stuff.


The latest NIST report admits that no "hollowing out" of the building
ocurred due to "chunks of flying stuff". Look at the vids. The
structure was basically intact, leaving only fire damage as the
supposed cause.


And the most important IMHO, there was an existing major power utility
substation on the WTC7 site that fed that whole area of Manhattan.
Dozens of flammable oil-filled transformers and oil-filled high
voltage underground transmission lines, ergo lots of fuel for a fire.

When they built the WTC7 building over the top of the power station
they had to place columns and footings all around the outside at
irregular intervals, where they could get clear shots around the power
feed cables coming in and out, and down to Bedrock for new footings.
Then they had to put huge bridge beams across the 'roof' of the power
plant for all the columns of the new building above.

They made a huge cantilevered rats-nest of structural steel over the
power plant. They had to turn irregularly spaced footings into a
regular spaced grid of pillars to support the building above, they
can't lease a building with lots of odd shaped spaces in it and
columns popping through the middle of the room.

And when there is a fire underneath all that steel you only need a
few weak spots or design errors for the beam under the hottest part
ofg the fire to go into plastic deformation and fail, or one of the
junction joints to unzip, and the whole thing is coming apart. When
you kick the ground floor out from under a high-rise, Gravity is going
to take over and drop the rest. That's the exact same way that a
controlled demolition works, so of course the Conspiracy Therorists
are going to say that it was Man-Made.


And would this fire caused pastic deformation in various separate
structural areas cause the building to fall perfectly symetrically at
free fall speed? No. Watch the vids. That is exactly what occurs.


But it's going to be REALLY Hard to rig a building for a successful
demolition without somebody noticing - even if they were rushing, a
proper demolitions setup that has any chance of working is going to
take several hundred man-hours of work to prepare.


Exactly. It had to be done in advance....which means the whole thing
is a false flag terror op similar to the Reichstag fire.


They have to take the drywalll covers off all the beams, then scrape
off all the sprayed-on fireproofing. Then get in there with cutting
torches and strategically weaken all the columns just llike you notch
a tall tree to fall in the direction you want. Then they have to cut
holes in the beam webs to insert the shaped cartridges on both sides.
And it's going to be nearly impossible to hide all the detcord and
fusing components needed to rig the charges for firing.


The conspiracy theories indicate the use of a relatively new technique
using thermate to cut the beams.....different then thermite. And it
would be perfectly possible to create a computer program operating a
radio controlled detonation system that would eliminate the detcord.
Each charge would have a circuit board listening for the coded signal
telling it when to go off.


If it isn't rigged right the building won't drop, or only one side
might come down - there are lots of video examples of failed
demolitions floating around, I've seen several. Now they have an
unstable building they have to finish dropping from the outside with a
wrecking ball - you simply can't find anyone dumb enough to go inside
a building that could drop any second to set more charges.

And if that happens, there's lots of evidence remaining to show the
failed attempt. If you are trying to pull off a massive conspiracy
you don''t want to take ANY chances with potentially leaving a huge
smoking gun pointed right back at you.

-- Bruce --


The pulverisation of the WTC complex buildings left little in the way
of evidence to be pieced back together. The steel was quickly gathered
up and sent for reprocessing overseas.

The whole thing smacks of BS. Too many discrepencies. Too many of the
globalists (like Kissinger) now running around calling for a New World
Order.

I believe that the whole thing is a carefully orchastrated event.
Another step towards the institution of a one world government.
Hegalian dialectic: Problem : Reaction : Solution.

The leadership creates a problem, to create a public reaction, and
then wheels out a pre-made solution to the problem THEY created to
insure that the public will give them more power and authority.
Witness the Reichstag fire. Same deal.
Dave

Dave you are absolutely right, I have all the proof in my safe. Pictures
and names of all the conspirators. You would be amazed to know who all
was involved in placing the charges, preparing the plot and the level of
logistics. I accidentally got a part of this information about a week
before 9/11 when, as I usually do, I went to purchase a lottery ticket
in my neighborhood 7-11. Usually Rashid is behind the counter, or his
wife Leila, but this time a blond guy with a distinctive Irish lilt sold
me the ticket. When I scratched to reveal the numbers, underneath was a
www.----.com internet address. I almost threw the ticket away but
decided to go home and check it out on my computer. And thats how it all
started. Since then I have recovered a huge amount of data implicating
many, and you would not believe the numbers, and who they all are. At
the beginning for a while I thought, like most, that all this had
originated in Washington. But I found out the truth, much to my dismay
and surprise. I can only divulge a longitude and latitude for the
location where all this began. N 34' 05,414 W 118' 19,167. I placed a
duplicate set of all the information I have at that same location in a
vault marked by the name Martha Greenley. I am now living in a town
somewhere in Paraguay.

cheers
T.Alan

You've been lied to by members of the "Half Truth Movement", people
that use the word, "truth" much too much.


The Christians killed that word long ago by using it as a code for "believe
our primitive superstions".
It can be filed away with other such ruined words as gay, wetback, and
skinhead.
We used to use 'skinhead" to refer to friendly Hari-Krishna, not asshole
nazis. Wetback meant an illegal immigrant, not a race. Gay used to mean
"happy", but few gay people seem to be.
"Bush conspiracy theorist" still means "lunatic"
--
Stupendous Man,
Defender of Freedom, Advocate of Liberty

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
news snip
Editor's note: That's "inhabitants", Earthling!


I wondered why my skellchucker puked.

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:

Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.


ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...



Gunner


And I thought I had a flare for writing fantastic fiction!

On Jan 8, 12:52*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:
Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...

Gunner

"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." *Grey Ghost

That, and any mention of 'free-fall speeds'.


Dave

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:52:53 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:
Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...
Gunner

Popular Mechanics is a product of the Hearst publishing empire. Look
into the history of Hearst....for instance Google "Hearst" + "yellow
journalism".

It helps to actually check facts once in a while. You need to learn to
turn off that boot camp mind control job they did on you before they
sent you to VietNam.

By "they", I mean the military/industrial complex.....you know: the
people that got rich ****ing away this nation's blood and treasure in
that endless money pit called the VietNam war. Say like: the DuPonts
who manufactured all that HE blowing holes in the jungle over there.

Lots of people made huge cash on that war. Lots of taxpayers had their
futures cut short too.

I had a professor in college who was an OSS translator during WWII who
was involved in the direct negotiations with Uncle Ho vis-a-vis Ho's
desire to receive arms from the US to fight the Japanese and force
them to leave VietNam. At this time, the US could have made a total
ally out of him. Instead, he was denied this help primarily because
those involved realised he would also use those arms to end French
colonialism in VN after WWII ended.

Ooops.....I guess that little "mistake" sure got alot of American kids
killed, huh?

Hmmmm....a guy named Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior
researcher who authored the Popular Mechanics 9/11 article, is related
to Michael Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland
Security (DHS).

But I am sure that strikes you as just perfectly reasonable.
Dave

http://www.rense.com/general63/brutalpurgeofPMstaff.htm

The Hidden Hand Of The CIA,
911 And Popular Mechanics
By Christopher Bollyn
Exclusive to American Free Press
3-19-5

A brutal purge of the senior staff at Popular Mechanics preceded the
publication of last month's scandalous propaganda piece about 9/11.
Pulling the strings is the grand dame of Hearst Magazines and behind
the scene is her obscure husband a veteran propaganda expert and
former special assistant to the director of the C.I.A.

The Reichstag fire, a key event in German history, and the steps that
followed en suite leading to the Nazi dictatorship of Adolf Hitler,
provide remarkable precedents for what occurred in the United States
on 9/11 and since.

The fire that consumed the German parliament building on the night of
February 27, 1933, is widely believed, according to Encyclopedia
Britannica, to have been contrived by the newly formed Nazi government
to turn public opinion against its opponents and allow it to assume
emergency powers.

The day after the burning of the Reichstag, the government headed by
Adolf Hitler enacted a decree for the Protection of the People and the
State. Hitlers emergency decree dispensed with all constitutional
protection of political, personal, and property rights.

Likewise, a month after 9/11 the U.S. Congress passed, without even
reading, similar emergency legislation: the Bush administrations USA
PATRIOT Act of 2001. The pre-prepared massive security act's long
title is "Uniting and Strengthening America by Providing Appropriate
Tools Required to Intercept and Obstruct Terrorism."

Within a month of the Reichstag fire, on March 23, 1933, the
parliament passed the Enabling Act, whereby its legislative powers
were transferred to Hitler's Reich Cabinet. This act, passed by a vote
of 444 to 94, legally sanctioned the Nazi dictatorship,

Another parallel is seen in the way George W. Bush and Hitler came to
power. Bush obtained the presidency in 2001 through a Supreme Court
decision after a flawed and un-counted election, while Hitler secured
the German chancellorship through elections in November 1932 in which
the Nazi Party failed to win an outright majority.

Hitlers propaganda minister, Joseph Goebbels, is thought to have let
arsonists into the parliament building through a tunnel leading from
the official residence of Hermann Gvring, Reichstag president and
Hitler's chief minister.

Gvring then presided over the official investigation, which blamed the
communists. In a similar manner, the Bush administration openly
opposed an independent investigation of 9/11 and fixed blame on Osama
Bin Laden and 19 Arab terrorists. Based on this official, but
unproven, explanation for 9/11 the United States has invaded and
occupied two Middle Eastern nations.

"DISINFORMATION AND DECEPTION"

"Ninety-five percent of the work of intelligence agencies around the
world is disinformation and deception," Andreas von B|low, former
parliamentary official responsible for the budget for Germany's
intelligence agencies, told American Free Press in December 2001.

Like Nazi Germany of 1933, American newsstands today carry a
mainstream magazine dedicated to pushing the government's truth of
9/11 while viciously smearing independent researchers as extremists
who peddle fantasies and make poisonous claims.

The magazine pushing the government's 9/11 propaganda, Popular
Mechanics (PM), is published by the Hearst family. Its March cover
story, Debunking 9/11 Lies, has been exposed by credible researchers
to contain numerous distortions and flawed conclusions. American Free
Press revealed that Benjamin Chertoff, the 25-year-old senior
researcher who authored the 9/11 article, is related to Michael
Chertoff, the new Secretary of the Department of Homeland Security
(DHS). The PM article illustrates how a propaganda method, used by
dictatorships, is now being employed by the U.S. government:
controlling mainstream media outlets to promote its version of 9/11.

The actions of Michael Chertoff concerning the events of 9/11, the
non-investigation that followed, the USA PATRIOT Act, and the
propaganda being disseminated in PM, are strikingly similar to actions
attributed to the Nazi ministers Joseph Goebbels and Hermann Gvring.

While Chertoff is the czar of DHS, he is not sovereign at PM or Hearst
Magazines, its corporate parent. The president of Hearst Magazines,
one of the world's largest publishers of monthly magazines with 18
U.S. titles and more than 100 international editions, is Cathleen P.
Black, a 60-year old native of Chicago. Black oversees the publication
of 175 titles around the world including Cosmopolitan, Harpers Bazaar,
Town & Country, Esquire, Good Housekeeping, and Popular Mechanics.

Black is a former president and publisher of USA Today. In 1983, Black
was made president of the new newspaper published by Gannett. The
following year she was made publisher and soon became a member of
Gannetts board of directors.

Despite her efforts, her biography reads, USA Today did not show an
operating profit in the eight years that Black was there. The
newspaper's non-profitability notwithstanding, Gannett paid Black
$600,000 a year for her efforts. USA Today reportedly had a
circulation of 1.8 million when Black left in 1991. USA Today is often
given away free of charge.

Black left USA Today to become president and chief executive of the
nascent Newspaper Association of America (NAA), formed on June 1,
1992. She then became the leading spokesperson and lobbyist for the
nation's newspaper industry. Black's position at the NAA carried
"considerable political heft," Paul Farhi of The Washington Post
wrote, "given that the 1,400 members of her organization control the
nations editorial pages.

In 1995, for an annual salary reported to be "in excess of $1
million," Black was hired by Hearst Corp. to head its magazine
division. Named by Fortune magazine as one of the Most Powerful Women
in American Business, Black sits on the boards of Hearst Corp., the
Advertising Council, IBM, and Coca-Cola. She is also a member of the
Council on Foreign Relations.

It is often said that USA Today is controlled by the CIA, which, like
the paper, is based in McLean, Virginia. The little-known fact that
Black is married to Thomas E. Harvey, an obscure lawyer who became a
White House Fellow in 1977 and served as special assistant to the
Director of Central Intelligence (DCI), provides substance to these
rumors. Black's corporate biography does not mention her husband.

President Jimmy Carter made Harvey a White House Fellow in May 1977.
"In that capacity," Harvey's biography reads, he "served as special
assistant to the Director of the C.I.A. Following that he held senior
appointed positions within the Department of Defense."

The DCI at the time was Stansfield Turner, who had replaced George
H.W. Bush.

Prior to serving the CIA, Harvey worked at the New York law office of
Milbank, Tweed, Hadley & McCloy. The international law firm,
co-founded by Morris Hadley, a 1916 member of Yale University's secret
society Skull & Bones, has ties to the CIA and lists William H.
Webster, DCI from 1987-1991, as a senior partner. Webster also serves
on the Homeland Security Advisory Council.

In the 1980s, Harvey served as General Counsel and Congressional
Liaison of the U.S. Information Agency, the former external propaganda
arm of the U.S. government. Harvey also served as Deputy Assistant
Secretary for the Army and Navy. In 1992, Harvey was personnel
director for the Bush-Quayle 92 Campaign.

Calls to the offices of Black and Harvey for the purpose of this
article went unanswered.

THE COUP AT POPULAR MECHANICS

In the months leading up to the Chertoff article in PM, a brutal
take-over occurred at the magazine. In September 2004, Joe Oldham, the
magazines former editor-in-chief was replaced by James B. Meigs, who
came to PM with a deputy, Jerry Beilinson, from National Geographic
Adventure. In October, a new creative director replaced PMs 21-year
veteran who was given ninety minutes to clear out of his office.

A former senior editor at PM, who is forbidden from openly discussing
the coup at PM, told AFP that the former creative director was
abruptly told to leave and given severance pay of two weeks wages for
every year spent at PM. Three or four people have been similarly
dismissed every month since, he said. He said he was astounded that
the coup at PM had not been reported in the mainstream media.

PM has long been a supporter of the U.S. military. The magazine ran a
full page ad in support of the troops in Iraq and Afghanistan in May
2003. Since the purge last September, however, PM readers have noticed
that government propaganda has replaced scientific writing. A letter
to the editor in the current issue says, I think you guys are just
another tool in the governments propaganda machine.

Finis

On Fri, 09 Jan 2009 03:33:56 -0500, wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:52:53 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:
Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...
Gunner

Popular Mechanics is a product of the Hearst publishing empire. Look
into the history of Hearst....for instance Google "Hearst" + "yellow
journalism".

It helps to actually check facts once in a while. You need to learn to
turn off that boot camp mind control job they did on you before they
sent you to VietNam.

By "they", I mean the military/industrial complex.....you know: the
people that got rich ****ing away this nation's blood and treasure

Kook Alert! Kook Alert!

All hands to their laughing stations!
Standby!



"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.

This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost

In article ,
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:52:53 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:
Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...
Gunner

Popular Mechanics is a product of the Hearst publishing empire. Look
into the history of Hearst....for instance Google "Hearst" + "yellow
journalism".


BEEP BEEP BEEP k00k changes topics instead of addressing point BEEP BEEP BEEP


--
Al Dykes
News is something someone wants to suppress, everything else is advertising.
- Lord Northcliffe, publisher of the Daily Mail

Kook Alert! Kook Alert!

All hands to their laughing stations!
Standby!

When someone types sounds, like "Hmmm" and "huh?" it makes me think of the
supervisor in the movie "Office Space", Lumberg. It totally kills any
credibility.

I skipped the meeting, but the Memos showed that (Al
Dykes) wrote on 9 Jan 2009 08:10:37 -0500 in rec.crafts.metalworking :
In article ,
wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 09:52:53 -0800, Gunner Asch
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Jan 2009 05:12:12 -0500, wrote:
Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

And that my friends, is the mindset of the netkOOks

Nothing more needs to be said...
Gunner

Popular Mechanics is a product of the Hearst publishing empire. Look
into the history of Hearst....for instance Google "Hearst" + "yellow
journalism".


BEEP BEEP BEEP k00k changes topics instead of addressing point BEEP BEEP BEEP

kooks can't help it. He/she/or it works for a subsidiary company, and
of course the parent company's board of directors determine what he
will believe, think, eat, and how he votes. Those are some powerful
corporate by-laws.


pyotr

--
pyotr filipivich
We will drink no whiskey before its nine.
It's eight fifty eight. Close enough!

wrote in message
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On Wed, 07 Jan 2009 23:14:52 -0800, Bruce L. Bergman
wrote:


Popular Mechanics did a total debunk of this. It's a non issue.

Popular Mechanics is a known propaganda mouthpiece for the
military/industrial complex. Anything in that mag is suspect.

Great theory, but anything organised by government wouldn't have been a
secret for more that a week! Governments leak like butterfly nets.

Given a choice between a conspiracy and a stuff up, take the stuff up every
time!

In article ,
wrote:
Obviously a controlled demolition....

Wrong in just four words. Might be some kind of record there.

Funny how we never hear this claim coming from an actual demolitions
expert.

There's a reason for that. Here's what actual demolitions experts
have to say:

http://www.implosionworld.com/Articl...09-8-06%20.pdf
--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/