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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem to misunderstand which country was invaded
Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the
Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Joe Gwinn |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem tomisunderstand which country was invaded
On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html -- Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by more readers you will need to find a different means of posting on Usenet. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem to misunderstand which country was invaded
Ignoramus21077 wrote:
On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote: Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html I keep reading about this, and it's not clear what either side even wants in the end, if anything. Other conflicts actually make some sense. |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem to misunderstand which country was invaded
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Ignoramus21077 wrote: On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote: Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html Warring pundits. Saakashvili made some very specific and verifiable claims. Let's see how it plays out over the next few weeks. Eventually we will hear what the various western intelligence agencies think of all this. Joe Gwinn |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem tomisunderstand which country was invaded
On 2008-12-03, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article , Ignoramus21077 wrote: On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote: Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html Warring pundits. Saakashvili made some very specific and verifiable claims. Let's see how it plays out over the next few weeks. Eventually we will hear what the various western intelligence agencies think of all this. Saakashvili sponsored McCain's senior election adviser Randy Scheunemann. He also enjoyed great support from McCain, possibly coincidentally. Since McCain lost, and Obama is not similarly influenced by Saakashvili, I hope that there will not be too much pressure from the government to influence what is reported about that war, so we indeed should learn a little more about that interesting bit of history. -- Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by more readers you will need to find a different means of posting on Usenet. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem to misunderstand which country was invaded
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Ignoramus28817 wrote: On 2008-12-03, Joseph Gwinn wrote: In article , Ignoramus21077 wrote: On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote: Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html Warring pundits. Saakashvili made some very specific and verifiable claims. Let's see how it plays out over the next few weeks. Eventually we will hear what the various western intelligence agencies think of all this. Saakashvili sponsored McCain's senior election adviser Randy Scheunemann. He also enjoyed great support from McCain, possibly coincidentally. Since McCain lost, and Obama is not similarly influenced by Saakashvili, I hope that there will not be too much pressure from the government to influence what is reported about that war, so we indeed should learn a little more about that interesting bit of history. Yes. But even if McCain won and your fears of undue influence were realized, it would have little effect on non-US intelligence agencies. So I'm not sure that McCain et al would even try. I also think that McCain would want to know the truth, even if it were not to be published. Joe Gwinn |
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OT -- Georgia Acted in Self-Defense -- Some people seem tomisunderstand which country was invaded
On 2008-12-04, Joseph Gwinn wrote:
In article , Ignoramus28817 wrote: On 2008-12-03, Joseph Gwinn wrote: In article , Ignoramus21077 wrote: On 2008-12-02, Joseph Gwinn wrote: Mikheil Saakashvili, President of Georgia, makes his case against the Russians. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122817723737570713.html The Wall Street Journal, 2 December 2008. Saakashvili's credibility hovers somewhere between positive ane negative zero these days. http://www.spiegel.de/international/...578273,00.html http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/20/op...20kristof.html Warring pundits. Saakashvili made some very specific and verifiable claims. Let's see how it plays out over the next few weeks. Eventually we will hear what the various western intelligence agencies think of all this. Saakashvili sponsored McCain's senior election adviser Randy Scheunemann. He also enjoyed great support from McCain, possibly coincidentally. Since McCain lost, and Obama is not similarly influenced by Saakashvili, I hope that there will not be too much pressure from the government to influence what is reported about that war, so we indeed should learn a little more about that interesting bit of history. Yes. But even if McCain won and your fears of undue influence were realized, it would have little effect on non-US intelligence agencies. So I'm not sure that McCain et al would even try. I also think that McCain would want to know the truth, even if it were not to be published. I personally read every piece of news about that war and find that short story to arouse my curiosity. Clearly, Saakashvili hopes for a victory within several hours, whereby he would seal the Roki tunnel and prevent Russians from sending reinforcements. That did not happen, but was close to happening. His army was slowed down by a few hundred people. Also, clearly, Russians knew about Georgian preparations and prepared. What is not so clear is 1) who encouraged Saakashvili to attack and 2) did Russia intentionally try to provoke him into war or not. -- Due to extreme spam originating from Google Groups, and their inattention to spammers, I and many others block all articles originating from Google Groups. If you want your postings to be seen by more readers you will need to find a different means of posting on Usenet. http://improve-usenet.org/ |
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