Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Then came this. The McCain campaign has been looking for a celebrity Hillary
supporter to endorse McCain, and they got one, in spades:

"The supporter was none other than Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, wife of
British banking scion Sir Evelyn de Rothschild. When not engaged in
politics, de Rothschild -- whom the Wall Street Journal dubbed a "New York
socialite" and Portfolio has described as "the flashiest hostess in
London" -- has the run of the sprawling Ascott House estate, north of
London. In the United States, she summers on Martha's Vineyard. And she has
not been shy with her feelings about Obama prior to today, telling CNN weeks
ago, "Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

Maybe it's my twisted sense of humor, but that one did me in. I won't need
another joke for a couple of days.

--
Ed Huntress

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.


i

"Ignoramus11155" wrote in message
...
On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John
McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight
federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're
going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going
to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.

Gail Collins put it well in her column today, titled "The McCain of the
Week."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/op...ml?ref=opinion

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:26:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Then came this. The McCain campaign has been looking for a celebrity Hillary
supporter to endorse McCain, and they got one, in spades:

"The supporter was none other than Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, wife of
British banking scion Sir Evelyn de Rothschild. When not engaged in
politics, de Rothschild -- whom the Wall Street Journal dubbed a "New York
socialite" and Portfolio has described as "the flashiest hostess in
London" -- has the run of the sprawling Ascott House estate, north of
London. In the United States, she summers on Martha's Vineyard. And she has
not been shy with her feelings about Obama prior to today, telling CNN weeks
ago, "Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

Maybe it's my twisted sense of humor, but that one did me in. I won't need
another joke for a couple of days.
=========
You couldn't make this stuff up -- Jay Leno's writers couldn't
make this stuff up.

She should get along well with Sec. Treasury Phil "let them eat
cake" Gramm.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.
--------
Be fair -- his principal is that he ought to be president and he
has not changed.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On 2008-09-18, F George McDuffee wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.

Be fair -- his principle is that he ought to be president and he has
not changed.

The problem, of course, is that we no longer know what he will be like
when he is a president, will he promote "free market" or "more
regulations", "fight greed" or "encourage risk taking" etc.

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On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.


i


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

Gunner

Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had
me rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John
McCain from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for
tight federal regulation of the finance industry and an end to its
"greed." ("We're going to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street!
Enough is enough! We're going to put an end to the greed!") That
was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long
held "principles", when these "principles" do not advance his
campaign.


i


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?


September 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The McCain of the Week
By GAIL COLLINS
VIENNA, Ohio

"The people of Ohio are the most productive in the world!" yelled John
McCain at a rally outside of Youngstown on Tuesday. Present company perhaps
excluded, since the crowd was made up entirely of people who were at liberty
in the middle of a workday.

Folks were wildly enthusiastic as the event began. That was partly because
Sarah Palin was also on the bill. (With Todd!) And when McCain took the
center stage, they were itching to cheer the war hero and boo all references
to pork-barrel spenders.

Nobody had warned them that he had just morphed into a new persona - a
raging populist demanding more regulation of the nation's financial system.
And since McCain's willingness to make speeches that have nothing to do with
his actual beliefs is not matched by an ability to give them, he wound up
sounding like Bob Dole impersonating Huey Long.

Really, if McCain is going to keep changing into new people, the campaign
should send out notices. (Come to a rally for the next president of the
United States. Today he's a vegetarian!)

"We're going to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street - enough is enough!"
this new incarnation yelled, complaining angrily about greed and overpaid
C.E.O.'s. Slowly, people begin to peel out of the crowd and drift away. Even
in these troubled times, there are apparently a number of Republicans who
think highly of corporate executives and captains of high finance.

The whole transformation was fascinating in a cheap-thrills kind of way. It'
s not every day, outside of "Incredible Hulk" movies, that you see somebody
make this kind of turnaround in the scope of a few hours.

On Monday in Jacksonville, Fla., McCain made his now-famous reassurance that
the fundamentals of the economy were still good. It's a longstanding line of
his, but this was perhaps not the best week to dredge it up. So the handlers
went to work, and by the time McCain arrived in Orlando a few hours later he
was reprogrammed. And angry!

"We're going to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough!
We're going to put an end to the greed!" he told a town hall meeting crowded
with Hispanic Republicans. It was a rather jumbled message, but the new
story line was firm. The fundamentals were not things like employment rates
or trade statistics. The fundamentals were the workers.

We are the fundamentals!

And, naturally, the humble, hard-working fundamentals are good. Who could
doubt it? Was Barack Obama trying to say that he didn't think the American
working man and woman was good? Was this the sort of thing they talked about
at those fancy-schmancy Hollywood fund-raisers? Which, of course, John
McCain hates. Give him some hard cider and a log cabin, and he's happy as a
clam.

But wait! The fundamentals are in danger! At risk because of "greed." Which
John McCain was shocked to discover has been running rampant in the canyons
of Wall Street.

Now in an election like this, you expect a certain amount of tactical
reimagining. McCain used to like reporters, and now he treats them as if
they were carrying the Ebola virus. Fair enough, although given the fact
that he's terrible at speeches, and the famous town halls have now become
Republican-only lovefests, the campaign really should invent some new method
of communication. (And remember, the man doesn't text.)

It is also disconcerting, of course, to hear the Republicans rail against
Washington as if the Socialist Workers Party had been running things there
for the last eight years. But really, what would you do if you were McCain?
There aren't a lot of options, and he never did like George W. anyway.

This new tactic is different. McCain has always, genuinely, believed in
dismantling government regulations, and there he was, vowing to create new
"comprehensive regulations that will apply the rules and enforce them to the
fullest." It makes you think that he's trying to impersonate something he's
not. Or wasn't. Or might not be. The image is getting fuzzy.

This week, while McCain's chief economic adviser was telling reporters that
it was wrong to "run for president by denigrating everything in sight and
trying to scare people," McCain's ad people were unveiling a new spot
announcing "Our economy in crisis!" and calling for "tougher rules on Wall
Street" along, of course, with more offshore drilling. Mournful
unemployment-line music swells.

I have absolutely no idea of how John McCain would handle a financial crisis
if he were president. But on behalf of all the nation's fundamentals I would
like to say that he now has me ready to stage a run on the first bank in
sight

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/18/op...ollins.html?hp


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On 2008-09-18, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.


i


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/us...pagewanted=all


In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

I do not like McCain, a lot more than I like Obama.

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On Sep 18, 12:06 pm, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155



wrote:
On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.

i

Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

Gunner


Really? You feel you need evidence of McCain's obvious flip-flops,
whose sole purpose were to ingratiate himself to the far right to get
the nomination?

Dave, neither obama nor mcain supporter, neither one is up to the job.

"John R. Carroll" wrote in message
...
Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had
me rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John
McCain from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for
tight federal regulation of the finance industry and an end to its
"greed." ("We're going to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street!
Enough is enough! We're going to put an end to the greed!") That
was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long
held "principles", when these "principles" do not advance his
campaign.


i


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?


September 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The McCain of the Week
By GAIL COLLINS
VIENNA, Ohio

"The people of Ohio are the most productive in the world!" yelled John
McCain at a rally outside of Youngstown on Tuesday. Present company
perhaps
excluded, since the crowd was made up entirely of people who were at
liberty
in the middle of a workday.

Folks were wildly enthusiastic as the event began. That was partly because
Sarah Palin was also on the bill. (With Todd!) And when McCain took the
center stage, they were itching to cheer the war hero and boo all
references
to pork-barrel spenders.

Nobody had warned them that he had just morphed into a new persona - a
raging populist demanding more regulation of the nation's financial
system.
And since McCain's willingness to make speeches that have nothing to do
with
his actual beliefs

Why is this surprising? Is there a politician out there that doesn't follow
the tactic of "Tell them what they want to hear. Just get me elected, and
I'll have at least 4 years to do what I want."

wrote in message
...
On Sep 18, 12:06 pm, Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155



wrote:
On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John
McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight
federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're
going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're
going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.

i

Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

Gunner


Really? You feel you need evidence of McCain's obvious flip-flops,
whose sole purpose were to ingratiate himself to the far right to get
the nomination?

Dave, neither obama nor mcain supporter, neither one is up to the job.

Amen!! NOTA for President again....

Stuart Fields wrote:
"John R. Carroll" wrote in
message ...
Gunner wrote:
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 08:43:45 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:

On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had
me rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of
John McCain from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position
calling for tight federal regulation of the finance industry and
an end to its "greed." ("We're going to put an end to the abuses
on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to put an end to
the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain
campaign now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is
wearing off and people are now concentrating on the bad economic
news. It cannot be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long
held "principles", when these "principles" do not advance his
campaign.


i


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?


September 18, 2008
Op-Ed Columnist
The McCain of the Week
By GAIL COLLINS
VIENNA, Ohio

"The people of Ohio are the most productive in the world!" yelled
John McCain at a rally outside of Youngstown on Tuesday. Present
company perhaps
excluded, since the crowd was made up entirely of people who were at
liberty
in the middle of a workday.

Folks were wildly enthusiastic as the event began. That was partly
because Sarah Palin was also on the bill. (With Todd!) And when
McCain took the center stage, they were itching to cheer the war
hero and boo all references
to pork-barrel spenders.

Nobody had warned them that he had just morphed into a new persona -
a raging populist demanding more regulation of the nation's financial
system.
And since McCain's willingness to make speeches that have nothing to
do with
his actual beliefs

Why is this surprising? Is there a politician out there that doesn't
follow the tactic of "Tell them what they want to hear. Just get me
elected, and I'll have at least 4 years to do what I want."

There is and John McCain used to be well known as one of them.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
. ..
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black...

Uh, well, uh, yeah. g This woman probably hasn't eaten or worn anything we
could pronounce for the last 20 years.

..., but that would probably get me branded as a racist....

If the situation were reversed and the McCain campaign got wind of it, that
would be a lock.

It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
. ..
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black...

Uh, well, uh, yeah. g This woman probably hasn't eaten or worn
anything we could pronounce for the last 20 years.

..., but that would probably get me branded as a racist....

If the situation were reversed and the McCain campaign got wind of
it, that would be a lock.

It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of
Bush's slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.

He's really hurting the rest of the ticket.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black, but
that would probably get me branded as a racist....


Jon

Ed Huntress wrote:

Ayep. I'm just hoping things don't fall into civil war in
the next 4 years. After my kids graduate HS, I'm likely
moving to a small town in NSW to semi-retire.

Jon

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 10:22:49 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:



The problem, of course, is that we no longer know what he will be like
when he is a president, will he promote "free market" or "more
regulations", "fight greed" or "encourage risk taking" etc.


Yes! or something else :-)


Mark Rand
RTFM

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.


Suggested new political ticket:-

"
People of America/Britain/World/Elbona
You think I'm a liar and a cheat.
I know that I'm a liar and a cheat.
I'm a politician godsdamnit. Everything I think or say is a lie.

Notwithstanding the above, you should vote for me because:-
insert reason here
"


Think It'd work?


Mark Rand
RTFM

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:

It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of
Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.


Suggested new political ticket:-

"
People of America/Britain/World/Elbona
You think I'm a liar and a cheat.
I know that I'm a liar and a cheat.
I'm a politician godsdamnit. Everything I think or say is a lie.

Notwithstanding the above, you should vote for me because:-
insert reason here
"


Think It'd work?

Ha-ha! "Straight Talk, More Distress."

I don't think that's the best solution. I'm beginning to like all the
vetting that's going on, mostly on the web. FactCheck.org and Snopes are a
couple of examples. My hope is that it will grow into a truth serum and
cause a fundamental change in politics.

It will first have to overcome the lies that the web is actually creating
and perpetuating, like the ones that come from Gunner's favorite blogs and
websites. d8-) But I think that's possible. We'll see which ones win.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:26:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.
===============
Zinger of the day

Obama: "John McCain Can't Decide Whether He's Barry Goldwater Or
Dennis Kucinich"

http://hotlineblog.nationaljournal.c...john_mcca.html


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

Ed Huntress wrote:

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:


It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of
Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.


Suggested new political ticket:-

"
People of America/Britain/World/Elbona
You think I'm a liar and a cheat.
I know that I'm a liar and a cheat.
I'm a politician godsdamnit. Everything I think or say is a lie.

Notwithstanding the above, you should vote for me because:-
insert reason here
"


Think It'd work?


Ha-ha! "Straight Talk, More Distress."

I don't think that's the best solution. I'm beginning to like all the
vetting that's going on, mostly on the web. FactCheck.org and Snopes are a
couple of examples. My hope is that it will grow into a truth serum and
cause a fundamental change in politics.

It will first have to overcome the lies that the web is actually creating
and perpetuating, like the ones that come from Gunner's favorite blogs and
websites. d8-) But I think that's possible. We'll see which ones win.

--
Ed Huntress



Well ya better hustle, because you only have 54 shopping days left to
find anew political system...


--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

"Ignoramus11155" wrote in message
...
On 2008-09-18, Ed Huntress wrote:
Sorry for starting a new political OT thread, but this one has had me
rolling on the floor all morning and I had to let it out.

The press is remarking today about the four-hour transition of John
McCain
from an anti-regulation hawk to his new position calling for tight
federal
regulation of the finance industry and an end to its "greed." ("We're
going
to put an end to the abuses on Wall Street! Enough is enough! We're
going to
put an end to the greed!") That was the setup.

Due to very untimely financial and economic meltdown, McCain campaign
now is in full panic mode. The novelty of Sarah Palin is wearing off
and people are now concentrating on the bad economic news. It cannot
be good for his faltering campaign.

McCain is desperate to find his own theme, throwing away his long held
"principles", when these "principles" do not advance his campaign.


i

Say hello to the launch of the new McCain campaign strategy. It's going to
be known as the "Say Anything" campaign. From here on out McCain will say
anything that might benefit the campaign. Truth has gone out the window.
From now on McCain will claim everything under the sun in his attempt to get
elected. It's good bye to the decent, honorable, war-hero character they
concocted and hello to the huckster who promises everything to everybody.
Hey, when you're losing you have to be willing to do anything to win. Unless
you actually have principles and character.

Hawke

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:


It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of
Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.


Suggested new political ticket:-

"
People of America/Britain/World/Elbona
You think I'm a liar and a cheat.
I know that I'm a liar and a cheat.
I'm a politician godsdamnit. Everything I think or say is a lie.

Notwithstanding the above, you should vote for me because:-
insert reason here
"


Think It'd work?


Ha-ha! "Straight Talk, More Distress."

I don't think that's the best solution. I'm beginning to like all the
vetting that's going on, mostly on the web. FactCheck.org and Snopes are
a couple of examples. My hope is that it will grow into a truth serum and
cause a fundamental change in politics.

It will first have to overcome the lies that the web is actually creating
and perpetuating, like the ones that come from Gunner's favorite blogs
and websites. d8-) But I think that's possible. We'll see which ones win.

--
Ed Huntress



Well ya better hustle, because you only have 54 shopping days left to find
anew political system...

Nah, this is a long-term project. As a writer and editor, I have a love/hate
relationship with the web, but I keep hoping it's going to do something good
in regard to accurate and honest information. Maybe, maybe not. Blogs are
*not* a step in the right direction. Maybe FactCheck.org is.

For this election, we do have a few sources that are better than we've had
in the past. And the instant feedback to the politicians doesn't hurt,
either.

--
Ed Huntress

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:26:38 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:


Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/17/us...pagewanted=all


In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

I do not like McCain, a lot more than I like Obama.


Again, your opinion is noted...as an opinion.

Gunner

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 09:27:52 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

i

Odd..I dont see any evidence of this. Could you please provide some
cites?

In fact...it appears that the Obama camp is in full panic mode, along
with his supporters, such as yourself. If they werent, they wouldnt
be trying to rake up **** so desperately.

Gunner


Really? You feel you need evidence of McCain's obvious flip-flops,
whose sole purpose were to ingratiate himself to the far right to get
the nomination?

Really. Flip flops? Both the Obamassiah and McCain have been flip
flopping like mexican jumping beans.

This is somehow unique for politicians?

Dave, neither obama nor mcain supporter, neither one is up to the job.

And who, electable, is?

Gunner

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:04:42 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
om...
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
...

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 14:30:43 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:


It looks like ol' John trolled the bottom and dragged up the worst of
Bush's
slimers to run his campaign. It's getting disgusting.


Suggested new political ticket:-

"
People of America/Britain/World/Elbona
You think I'm a liar and a cheat.
I know that I'm a liar and a cheat.
I'm a politician godsdamnit. Everything I think or say is a lie.

Notwithstanding the above, you should vote for me because:-
insert reason here
"


Think It'd work?


Ha-ha! "Straight Talk, More Distress."

I don't think that's the best solution. I'm beginning to like all the
vetting that's going on, mostly on the web. FactCheck.org and Snopes are
a couple of examples. My hope is that it will grow into a truth serum and
cause a fundamental change in politics.

It will first have to overcome the lies that the web is actually creating
and perpetuating, like the ones that come from Gunner's favorite blogs
and websites. d8-) But I think that's possible. We'll see which ones win.

--
Ed Huntress



Well ya better hustle, because you only have 54 shopping days left to find
anew political system...

Nah, this is a long-term project. As a writer and editor, I have a love/hate
relationship with the web, but I keep hoping it's going to do something good
in regard to accurate and honest information. Maybe, maybe not. Blogs are
*not* a step in the right direction. Maybe FactCheck.org is.

For this election, we do have a few sources that are better than we've had
in the past. And the instant feedback to the politicians doesn't hurt,
either.

I think we should draft a president. Someone who has reached certain
bench marks like at least a PHD. Picking one out of liars and
attorneys doesn't seem to work.

I use to have the mind set to give attorneys the benefit of doubt,
until I worked with a whole slue of them and found out they aren't so
smart. Matter of fact, they aren't to bright at all and deserve the
jokes.

One time I had this Judge who told me a lawyer joke in their court
room when we where alone and I found it very un-nerving while
listening to it if I should laugh at it or not. It went something
like, Why do lawyers become attorneys? - because they don't like blood
and know nothing about computers.

There are many things that could be changed if WE could get the
corrupt people in charge to change the law. One would be that they
shouldn't know how each is going to vote ahead of time. Just stinks of
collusion or anti-trust laws to me.

On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:04:42 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

For this election, we do have a few sources that are better than we've had
in the past. And the instant feedback to the politicians doesn't hurt,
either.

Do you really think that will make any difference ? politicians
only think of what will affect their snout and what they can get out
of the trough..


Our darling Kev received a report, commissioned by the previous
govt. in March about the plight of us pensioners and has sat on it. It
was uncovered by the Freedom of Information Act. Dear Kev has said
he feels for us pensioners, he could not live on the pittance we
receive and is not going to do anything until February 2009 at the
earliest, when his confirmation report is due. Give him a couple of
months at least to think about it, more time to draft legislation,
time to go through parliament and we may get an increase in time for
Christmas 2009.
MP's last pay increase was more than my full year's pension

Fortunately I have separate income and only receive a part
Centrelink pension so I am better off than those who rely solely on
the age pension and I do not find it easy. I would not like to be
renting or paying off a mortgage as a pensioner.

Our Kev is concerned with his Carbon Offset tax and how much he can
rip off everyone in the name of the environment. Pay the tax and you
can pollute as much as you want, raise prices to compensate for the
tax (+ profit) etc. etc. etc.


Click! Whinge mode off for now.

Alan

"Alan" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 19 Sep 2008 00:04:42 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:

For this election, we do have a few sources that are better than we've had
in the past. And the instant feedback to the politicians doesn't hurt,
either.

Do you really think that will make any difference ?

It may. The whole thing is in its infancy, but it seems to have already
influenced the campaigns. Their reaction time is now being measured in
hours, instead of days.

...politicians
only think of what will affect their snout and what they can get out
of the trough.

The point is that they're being scrutinized to an unprecedented degree, in
unprecedented ways.

The press traditionally has gone fairly easy on the candidates in major
elections, reporting on what they say and do and leaving it to the opposing
candidates to deal with the questions of exaggerations and misleading
statements. They'd run editorials, but, in the midst of a campaign, you
wouldn't see much real scrutinizing going on, and never a relentless
scrutiny like we're seeing on the major newspaper blogs and sites like
FactCheck.org

Now we're seeing some of the candidates' flip-flops and deceits exposed --
often with video -- before they've gotten back on the plane to go to their
next stop. It must be driving the campaign directors absolutely insane.

What effect it will have this time is an open question. The new media are
just beginning to show their potential effects. But it's a harbinger, I
hope, of what is to come.



Our darling Kev received a report, commissioned by the previous
govt. in March about the plight of us pensioners and has sat on it. It
was uncovered by the Freedom of Information Act. Dear Kev has said
he feels for us pensioners, he could not live on the pittance we
receive and is not going to do anything until February 2009 at the
earliest, when his confirmation report is due. Give him a couple of
months at least to think about it, more time to draft legislation,
time to go through parliament and we may get an increase in time for
Christmas 2009.
MP's last pay increase was more than my full year's pension

Fortunately I have separate income and only receive a part
Centrelink pension so I am better off than those who rely solely on
the age pension and I do not find it easy. I would not like to be
renting or paying off a mortgage as a pensioner.

Our Kev is concerned with his Carbon Offset tax and how much he can
rip off everyone in the name of the environment. Pay the tax and you
can pollute as much as you want, raise prices to compensate for the
tax (+ profit) etc. etc. etc.


Click! Whinge mode off for now.

Alan

Given the way the system works, and has worked for most of our histories as
representative democracies, anything that gets the facts out will be
welcome. Let's hope it leads to an improvement. It's becoming harder for
politicians to hide.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

Given the way the system works, and has worked for most of our histories as
representative democracies, anything that gets the facts out will be
welcome. Let's hope it leads to an improvement. It's becoming harder for
politicians to hide.

What was that quote about living in glass houses? I have a
feeling that in the long run, these new developments are
going to help clean up politics. Well, clean up campaigning
anyway....


Jon

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

Given the way the system works, and has worked for most of our histories
as representative democracies, anything that gets the facts out will be
welcome. Let's hope it leads to an improvement. It's becoming harder for
politicians to hide.

What was that quote about living in glass houses? I have a feeling that in
the long run, these new developments are going to help clean up politics.
Well, clean up campaigning anyway....


Jon

I hope you're right. As an Internet skeptic, I've been more appalled by how
the web spreads mistruths than the other way around. But some of these new
political fact-checking sites look very good. And the instant proliferation
of their messages is forcing the candidates to respond, which I see as a
good thing, if it doesn't get out of hand.

Stay tuned.

--
Ed Huntress

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
. ..
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black, but
that would probably get me branded as a racist....


Jon

Making a statement as blatantly hypocritical as that one is hard to
understand. I thought elitists were supposed to be really top flight people.
But when one is an aristocrat with billions and a title you wouldn't believe
she could fault anyone for being an elitist. Somebody get the lady a mirror.

Hawke

For this election, we do have a few sources that are better than we've
had
in the past. And the instant feedback to the politicians doesn't hurt,
either.

Do you really think that will make any difference ?

It may. The whole thing is in its infancy, but it seems to have already
influenced the campaigns. Their reaction time is now being measured in
hours, instead of days.

...politicians
only think of what will affect their snout and what they can get out
of the trough.

The point is that they're being scrutinized to an unprecedented degree, in
unprecedented ways.

The press traditionally has gone fairly easy on the candidates in major
elections, reporting on what they say and do and leaving it to the
opposing
candidates to deal with the questions of exaggerations and misleading
statements. They'd run editorials, but, in the midst of a campaign, you
wouldn't see much real scrutinizing going on, and never a relentless
scrutiny like we're seeing on the major newspaper blogs and sites like
FactCheck.org

Now we're seeing some of the candidates' flip-flops and deceits exposed --
often with video -- before they've gotten back on the plane to go to their
next stop. It must be driving the campaign directors absolutely insane.

What effect it will have this time is an open question. The new media are
just beginning to show their potential effects. But it's a harbinger, I
hope, of what is to come.


Maybe this is the future. It was on Larry King's show the other night. There
were three guests. One was a right winger. One was a liberal. Each of them
was shown in their own window. The third guest was a woman from Fact Check.
She was in a window in between the other two. So you had a conservative on
one side a liberal on the other and a fact check representative in between.
Then after each partisan made some comments the fact check person told what
was actually true. It was pretty funny by accident. I think they had a skit
on Saturday Night Live one time that was something like that. Of course,
nothing could compare to the skit they had where the news was reported by an
anchor and then Garret Morris gave the same news but to the hearing
impaired. The anchor spoke the reports normally and Morris shouted them out
for the hard of hearing. I always laugh when I remember that skit.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
. ..
Ed Huntress wrote:

"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black, but
that would probably get me branded as a racist....


Jon

Making a statement as blatantly hypocritical as that one is hard to
understand. I thought elitists were supposed to be really top flight
people.
But when one is an aristocrat with billions and a title you wouldn't
believe
she could fault anyone for being an elitist. Somebody get the lady a
mirror.

It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty beer
cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
. ..

Ed Huntress wrote:


"Frankly, I don't like him. I feel like he is an elitist."

I'd make a crack about the pot calling the kettle black, but
that would probably get me branded as a racist....


Jon

Making a statement as blatantly hypocritical as that one is hard to
understand. I thought elitists were supposed to be really top flight
people.
But when one is an aristocrat with billions and a title you wouldn't
believe
she could fault anyone for being an elitist. Somebody get the lady a
mirror.


It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

That may mean that the rest of the world outside the US is elitist. I
have had the stuff when living in the US but never seen it outside and
whenever I mention it to various people in the UK and Europe people they
seem amazed by the thought. Whipped cream in a aerosol can is common.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty beer
cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

--
Ed Huntress

"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of
it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty
beer cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

If I get 9 out of 10, I can still call myself an elitist??? Sonuffa gun!
Think I'll go book a stay at Martha's Vineyard.... G

You pass as long as you don't have the rings on your forehead. They're a
deal-breaker.

As for the Vineyard, the Shiverick Inn in Edgartown is supposed to be a nice
B&B for a reasonable price...

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty beer
cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

If I get 9 out of 10, I can still call myself an elitist???
Sonuffa gun! Think I'll go book a stay at Martha's
Vineyard.... G


Jon

On Thu, 18 Sep 2008 11:26:38 -0500, Ignoramus11155
wrote:



I do not like McCain, a lot more than I like Obama.

I'm on the flipflop of that. Obama worries me. I don't scare easy.
That isn't because I'm brave or anything; it's because I've been
scared ****less enough times to be somewhat fatalistic. That said,
Obama worries me. McCain does too, but Obama worries me rather more.

On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:28:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"
wrote:


"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of
it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty
beer cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

If I get 9 out of 10, I can still call myself an elitist??? Sonuffa gun!
Think I'll go book a stay at Martha's Vineyard.... G

You pass as long as you don't have the rings on your forehead. They're a
deal-breaker.

As for the Vineyard, the Shiverick Inn in Edgartown is supposed to be a nice
B&B for a reasonable price...


Am I still allowed to be elitist if most of my wine bottles _had_ corks in
them?


Mark Rand
RTFM

"Mark Rand" wrote in message
news
On Sat, 20 Sep 2008 23:28:24 -0400, "Ed Huntress"

wrote:


"Jon Anderson" wrote in message
...
Ed Huntress wrote:

It's easy to identify an elitist.

1. They pronounce "nuclear" with one "u" and an "e."

2. Their wine bottles have corks in them.

3. They have visited a foreign country where adults ride bicycles.

5. They don't eat cheese that comes in an aerosol can.

6. They don't turn their underwear inside-out to get another day out of
it.

7. They've never stuck a blowout patch on their muffler.

8. They don't have rings on their foreheads where they've smashed empty
beer cans.

9. They don't carry a P-38 can opener on their keychain.

10. Their keys are not chained to their belts.

If I get 9 out of 10, I can still call myself an elitist??? Sonuffa gun!
Think I'll go book a stay at Martha's Vineyard.... G

You pass as long as you don't have the rings on your forehead. They're a
deal-breaker.

As for the Vineyard, the Shiverick Inn in Edgartown is supposed to be a
nice
B&B for a reasonable price...


Am I still allowed to be elitist if most of my wine bottles _had_ corks in
them?

Yes, absence of screw threads on the bottles is accepted as evidence that
you're an elitist.

--
Ed Huntress