"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
news

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was said
(in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.

If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian. d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress

"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 23:28:32 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


TWO QUOTES - ONE PITIFUL, ONE GOOD...



'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.



''Life's tough.....it's even tougher when you're stupid.''

-- John Wayne


Indeed.

"Where did you find these peckerwoods?!" -- John Wayne.

Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...

Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was said
(in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.


If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian. d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress



Hey now, don't go calling people Libertarian!

But, no, I find I don't believe anything said by anybody running for
office. That's new for '08, BTW.

Truth is important. But getting elected is more important.



--

Richard

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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...
Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was said
(in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.


If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian. d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress

Hey now, don't go calling people Libertarian!

But, no, I find I don't believe anything said by anybody running for
office. That's new for '08, BTW.

Truth is important. But getting elected is more important.

It may be for them, but not for us. Somebody has to hold up this end of the
stick, or they'll stick it up our butts.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...

Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was said
(in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.


If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian. d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress

Hey now, don't go calling people Libertarian!

But, no, I find I don't believe anything said by anybody running for
office. That's new for '08, BTW.

Truth is important. But getting elected is more important.


It may be for them, but not for us. Somebody has to hold up this end of the
stick, or they'll stick it up our butts.

--
Ed Huntress




Check yer Six, Ed.

You don't feel it because it's been there so long it seems normal now.

That ain't me, babe, that's them.

--

Richard

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"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:
"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
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'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was
said (in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.


If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian.
d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress

Hey now, don't go calling people Libertarian!

But, no, I find I don't believe anything said by anybody running for
office. That's new for '08, BTW.

Truth is important. But getting elected is more important.


It may be for them, but not for us. Somebody has to hold up this end of
the stick, or they'll stick it up our butts.

--
Ed Huntress




Check yer Six, Ed.

You don't feel it because it's been there so long it seems normal now.

That ain't me, babe, that's them.

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of it as
a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the floor.
d8-)

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of it as
a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the floor.
d8-)

--
Ed Huntress




Thanks Ed. I needed a good laugh.

I don't know how I'll vote this time.

It one of those vote against things (again), but I want to vote against
both of them.

That doesn't mean voting for an alternative candidate.

It's all so negative these days.

Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than for.

It wouldbe more honest.


--

Richard

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
m...
Ed Huntress wrote:

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of it
as a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the
floor. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Thanks Ed. I needed a good laugh.

I don't know how I'll vote this time.

It one of those vote against things (again), but I want to vote against
both of them.

That doesn't mean voting for an alternative candidate.

It's all so negative these days.

Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than
for.

It wouldbe more honest.

I have to wonder who it is you guys would like to have running for
president. The Lone Ranger? Walter Cronkite?

It looks to me like we have two pretty good ones this time. Nobody's
perfect, but we don't need perfect. We aren't electing a king.

--
Ed Huntress

JR North wrote:
Invest some of the energy you dump into bitching, into fabbing a
workable replacement.... From Scratch......

That's what I was thinking.

Dweller in the cellar

On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:47:33 -0800, Wally
wrote:

I generally like Harborfreight. Most of what I've bought has been
pretty low dollar stuff, like their 4.5" grinders. I think an
excellent tool for the money and pretty much disposable. I don't cry
when one finally dies or disappears. Much of the stuff is better
quality than I feel I have any right to expect.

I bought a Pacific Hydrostar pressure washer about a year ago on sale.
I was looking for something small for car washing, etc. Turned out to
be a really nice little washer and had this brush attachment that you
screwed onto an adapter and plugged into the wand. The detergent
automatically turned on and the brush spun and it worked very well.

The adapter was kind of flimsy and broke after maybe 20 car washes. I
checked and they were still selling the pressure washer, not a
closeout thing. I found the manual and figured out the part I needed
and called to order a couple of them. Two, maybe three inches long,
black plastic, one piece. Couldn't be that expensive.

The parts desk told me the factory wasn't supplying replacement parts
for their machines. They sent me to customer service who told me the
same thing. I was offered a new pressure washer, the same thing if I
boxed up and sent the old one back with me paying the freight. That
just wasn't tempting enough, to get a new machine I can't get parts
for. Good money after bad.

I've bought parts from them in the past, and while slow to arrive, the
parts always showed up and were reasonably priced.

Sooner or later anything with moving parts needs something replaced,
I'm just glad I never bought one of their lathes or mills. And the
next small pressure washer will probably be a Karcher. I see parts
for those all over Google.
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Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive
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On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:30:59 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
om...
Ed Huntress wrote:

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of it
as a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the
floor. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Thanks Ed. I needed a good laugh.

I don't know how I'll vote this time.

It one of those vote against things (again), but I want to vote against
both of them.

That doesn't mean voting for an alternative candidate.

It's all so negative these days.

Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than
for.

It wouldbe more honest.

I have to wonder who it is you guys would like to have running for
president. The Lone Ranger? Walter Cronkite?

A cross between the Lone Ranger, Ross Perot, Superman, Ron Paul,
Ronald Reagan, and Michael Badnarik would probably do. Alas, I don't
see him on the ticket _this_ year, either, Ed. Shucks!


It looks to me like we have two pretty good ones this time. Nobody's
perfect, but we don't need perfect.

McCain might be less than effectual and Obama might be too effectual.
Neither is a good fit, IMHO.


We aren't electing a king.

Tell that to the Shrub. Egad, do you realize that both Clinton and
Dubya got elected and REelected by that field of sheep out there?

--
Vidi, Vici, Veni
---

"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:30:59 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
news:io6dnaJFqO_ovxvVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@earthlink. com...
Ed Huntress wrote:

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of
it
as a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the
floor. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Thanks Ed. I needed a good laugh.

I don't know how I'll vote this time.

It one of those vote against things (again), but I want to vote against
both of them.

That doesn't mean voting for an alternative candidate.

It's all so negative these days.

Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than
for.

It wouldbe more honest.

I have to wonder who it is you guys would like to have running for
president. The Lone Ranger? Walter Cronkite?

A cross between the Lone Ranger, Ross Perot, Superman, Ron Paul,
Ronald Reagan, and Michael Badnarik would probably do. Alas, I don't
see him on the ticket _this_ year, either, Ed. Shucks!

Egad. It sounds like Frank Perdue wearing a mask and gloves, and he flies
with his chickens while eating jellybeans and planning an air assault on
Vermont.


It looks to me like we have two pretty good ones this time. Nobody's
perfect, but we don't need perfect.

McCain might be less than effectual and Obama might be too effectual.
Neither is a good fit, IMHO.

It all depends what you're trying to fit him to. I don't think we'd crash
and burn with either of them, but it will be pretty boring if it's McCain.

We aren't electing a king.

Tell that to the Shrub. Egad, do you realize that both Clinton and
Dubya got elected and REelected by that field of sheep out there?

Who would you have elected instead? It was a Hobson's choice.

--
Ed Huntress

Ed Huntress wrote:
"Larry Jaques" wrote in message
...

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:30:59 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm, "Ed
Huntress" quickly quoth:


"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
news:io6dnaJFqO_ovxvVnZ2dnUVZ_ovinZ2d@earthlink .com...

Ed Huntress wrote:

And when are you planning to join Larry and vote Libertarian? Think of
it
as a parallel universe, where no one leaves their dirty socks on the
floor. d8-)

--
Ed Huntress


Thanks Ed. I needed a good laugh.

I don't know how I'll vote this time.

It one of those vote against things (again), but I want to vote against
both of them.

That doesn't mean voting for an alternative candidate.

It's all so negative these days.

Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than
for.

It wouldbe more honest.

I have to wonder who it is you guys would like to have running for
president. The Lone Ranger? Walter Cronkite?

A cross between the Lone Ranger, Ross Perot, Superman, Ron Paul,
Ronald Reagan, and Michael Badnarik would probably do. Alas, I don't
see him on the ticket _this_ year, either, Ed. Shucks!


Egad. It sounds like Frank Perdue wearing a mask and gloves, and he flies
with his chickens while eating jellybeans and planning an air assault on
Vermont.


It looks to me like we have two pretty good ones this time. Nobody's
perfect, but we don't need perfect.

McCain might be less than effectual and Obama might be too effectual.
Neither is a good fit, IMHO.


It all depends what you're trying to fit him to. I don't think we'd crash
and burn with either of them, but it will be pretty boring if it's McCain.


We aren't electing a king.

Tell that to the Shrub. Egad, do you realize that both Clinton and
Dubya got elected and REelected by that field of sheep out there?


Who would you have elected instead? It was a Hobson's choice.

--
Ed Huntress




Yep.

Therein Lies The Rub

--

Richard

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
news

TWO QUOTES - ONE PITIFUL, ONE GOOD...



'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.



''Life's tough.....it's even tougher when you're stupid.''

-- John Wayne


Two words that only a republican would put in the same sentence; stupid and
Barack Obama.

Hawke

Ed Huntress wrote:

"cavelamb himself" wrote in message
newssudnYaQgO9q_BjVnZ2dnUVZ_qfinZ2d@earthlink .com...

'My friends, we live in the greatest nation in the history of the
world.
I hope you'll join with me as we try to change it.'

-- Barack Obama, Jr.


Richard, you have to become more familiar with Snopes. This is not a
quote. It was a joke posted in a _National Review_ blog, and it was
said
(in the joke) by John McCain.


No disrespect intended, Ed.
And I'm not trying to be argumentative, not my style.

But with respect to the Truth According To Snopes, why bother?

This is politics.

Politics is about perceptions - not anything as mundane as a truth.


If you don't think that truth matters, Richard, in politics or anything
else, you'd might as well become a full-time cynic or a libertarian.
d8-)

That will never happen to me -- with all due respect.

--
Ed Huntress



Hey now, don't go calling people Libertarian!

But, no, I find I don't believe anything said by anybody running for
office. That's new for '08, BTW.

Truth is important. But getting elected is more important.


Methinks you know politics not at all.


Hawke

Integraty and the pension fund raids

========
About half of pension sponsors have frozen plans
By Jim Abrams
Associated Press Writer / July 22, 2008

WASHINGTON—About half of employers with defined-benefit pension
plans have frozen one or more of those plans, putting the
retirement incomes of millions at risk, according to a government
report made public Tuesday.
snip
"When companies freeze plans, older employees often experience
huge benefit losses and younger workers are left to save for
themselves," said Karen Friedman, policy director for the Pension
Rights Center.
snip
Employers often freeze pension plans as a step toward terminating
those plans and replacing them with defined-contribution plans
such as 401(k) plans. The GAO survey of 471 single-employer
defined-benefit plan sponsors found that nearly a third
ultimately expect to terminate their largest frozen plan.
snip
to see complete article click on
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/wa...--+Latest+news
============
Realization that the big three domestic automakers [GM, Ford
Chrysler] are likely to default is begining to showup in the
mainstream media.
------------------
"GM, Ford `On the Verge of Bankruptcy,' Altman Says (Update2)

By Greg Miles and Caroline Salas

July 22 (Bloomberg) -- General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co.,
the two biggest U.S. automakers, have about a 46 percent chance
of default within five years, according to Edward Altman, a
finance professor at New York University's Stern School of
Business. "
snip
for complete article see
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...efer=worldwide

For an "or" the probabilities add thus the odds are 92% one or
the other will tank.
------------
also see
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aECTk2sqR1Z8
http://www.creditanalyzer.com/z_score
http://www.wikicfo.com/Wiki/Default....kieSu pport=1


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

F. George McDuffee wrote:
Integraty and the pension fund raids

========


For an "or" the probabilities add thus the odds are 92% one or
the other will tank.

I was surprised GM didn't go down with NWA.
They were burning through cash, they'd been shorted naked and then had
Kerkorian ( I think) plop down ten billion or so in fresh equity. There was
real fear at the time that hedge funds, as an industry, would eat it big
time and about a third or so went away. I believe I posted something about
the situation at the time.

Anyway.
The stock got off the floor but the reversal of fortunes wasn't based on the
companies fundamentals. Hell, they sold off their cash cow, and so did Ford,
to stay alive but then continued on along without addressing the underlying
problems.

Stupid.
Just plain stupid....

--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 15:40:24 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:48:22 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:

cavelamb himself wrote:
Gunner Asch wrote:
On Mon, 21 Jul 2008 00:20:06 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:



One of these days you'll grow a pair and post original content.


Why reinvent the wheel?

Because if you slowed down enough to compose your screeds you'd have enough
time to think about them.
You, or even Opie, couldn think about that crap long before recognizing it
for crap and not actual intellect or thought.
Most of it doesn't make sense and is ordinarily contextually fraudulent.


--

John R. Carroll
www.machiningsolution.com

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:14 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
snip
Anyway.
The stock got off the floor but the reversal of fortunes wasn't based on the
companies fundamentals. Hell, they sold off their cash cow, and so did Ford,
to stay alive but then continued on along without addressing the underlying
problems.

Stupid.
Just plain stupid....
snip
===========
If God didn't want us sheared, he woulden't have made us
sheep.....

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Tue, 15 Jul 2008 17:13:30 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
snip
Life is hard George, even if you are well educated.
It's infinitely harder if you are stupid.
snip
========
Unfortunately "stupid" and educated" are not contradictory nor
mutually exclusive. Ignorance can be remediated, stupid is
forever.


Unka' George [George McDuffee]
-------------------------------------------
He that will not apply new remedies,
must expect new evils:
for Time is the greatest innovator: and
if Time, of course, alter things to the worse,
and wisdom and counsel shall not alter them to the better,
what shall be the end?

Francis Bacon (1561-1626), English philosopher, essayist, statesman.
Essays, "Of Innovations" (1597-1625).

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 13:09:46 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:


Maybe we ought to change the system so we can vote against rather than for.

It wouldbe more honest.


--
We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

Gunner

F. George McDuffee wrote:

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 19:56:14 -0700, "John R. Carroll"
wrote:
snip

Anyway.
The stock got off the floor but the reversal of fortunes wasn't based on the
companies fundamentals. Hell, they sold off their cash cow, and so did Ford,
to stay alive but then continued on along without addressing the underlying
problems.

Stupid.
Just plain stupid....

snip
===========
If God didn't want us sheared, he woulden't have made us
sheep.....

BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ



Speak for yourself, Duff.

I happen to like my wool fluffy!

--

Richard

(remove the X to email)

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:27
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

--
We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

Me thinks we need to go back to at least closed primaries. You
know, the old fashioned progressive idea that the members of the party
should chose the candidate, rather tan the entire electorate.
I mean, as much fun as it was voting for Dennis Kuccinich in the
primary, there was no way I'd vote for him in the General.

Gunner
--
pyotr filipivich
"I had just been through hell and must have looked like death warmed
over walking into the saloon, because when I asked the bartender
whether they served zombies he said, ‘Sure, what'll you have?'"
from I Hear America Swinging by Peter DeVries

On Tue, 22 Jul 2008 15:47:53 -0500, RB wrote:

JR North wrote:
Invest some of the energy you dump into bitching, into fabbing a
workable replacement.... From Scratch......

That's what I was thinking.

Actually I ended up ordering a new brush with adapters that pretty
much fit everything - including this machine. I don't know what they
used for plastic on the Harborfreight adapter, but I tried sleeving it
with some stainless tubing. I couldn't get any glue to bond to it, it
seemed like a polyethylene of some sort, so I tried pinning it and not
long later the plastic broke in a new place. At that point I was
disgusted and gave up.

At least the new brush should fit whatever I get to replace the
Harborfreight one when it finally dies.

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:56:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:27
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

--
We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

Me thinks we need to go back to at least closed primaries. You
know, the old fashioned progressive idea that the members of the party
should chose the candidate, rather tan the entire electorate.
I mean, as much fun as it was voting for Dennis Kuccinich in the
primary, there was no way I'd vote for him in the General.

Gunner


Indeed. Voting for Hillary was quite a thrill....G

Gunner

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:56:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:27
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

--

We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

Me thinks we need to go back to at least closed primaries. You
know, the old fashioned progressive idea that the members of the party
should chose the candidate, rather tan the entire electorate.
I mean, as much fun as it was voting for Dennis Kuccinich in the
primary, there was no way I'd vote for him in the General.

Gunner



Indeed. Voting for Hillary was quite a thrill....G

Gunner


YOU are a sick bitch!

--

Richard

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On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:30:58 -0500, cavelamb himself
wrote:

Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:56:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:


I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:27
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

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We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

Me thinks we need to go back to at least closed primaries. You
know, the old fashioned progressive idea that the members of the party
should chose the candidate, rather tan the entire electorate.
I mean, as much fun as it was voting for Dennis Kuccinich in the
primary, there was no way I'd vote for him in the General.

Gunner



Indeed. Voting for Hillary was quite a thrill....G

Gunner


YOU are a sick bitch!


You say that like its a bad thing?

Operation Chaos...the American way

Gunner

On Jul 25, 11:15*am, Gunner wrote:
On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 09:30:58 -0500, cavelamb himself





wrote:
Gunner wrote:

On Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:56:45 -0800, pyotr filipivich
wrote:

I missed the Staff meeting, but the Memos showed that Gunner
wrote on Wed, 23 Jul 2008 02:14:27
-0700 in rec.crafts.metalworking :

--

We have been voting Against for a number of election cycles...

We hold our noses and vote against the worst candidate and for the 2nd
worst candidate.

This of course can be blamed on the 2 parties for offering up such
utter crap as candidates

* *Me thinks we need to go back to at least closed primaries. *You
know, the old fashioned progressive idea that the members of the party
should chose the candidate, rather tan the entire electorate.
* *I mean, as much fun as it was voting for Dennis Kuccinich in the
primary, there was no way I'd vote for him in the General.

Gunner

Indeed. Voting for Hillary was quite a thrill....G

Gunner

YOU are a sick bitch!

You say that like its a bad thing?

Operation Chaos...the American way

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