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I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8"
thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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The only relatively inexpensive ($500) brakes will only do 16ga max.
A brake to do 1/8" sheet is gonna cost you...plenty. JR Dweller in the cellar On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 wrote: I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. -------------------------------------------------------------- Home Page: http://www.seanet.com/~jasonrnorth If you're not the lead dog, the view never changes Doubt yourself, and the real world will eat you alive The world doesn't revolve around you, it revolves around me No skeletons in the closet; just decomposing corpses -------------------------------------------------------------- Dependence is Vulnerability: -------------------------------------------------------------- "Open the Pod Bay Doors please, Hal" "I'm sorry, Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that.." |
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JR North wrote:
I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 wrote: The only relatively inexpensive ($500) brakes will only do 16ga max. A brake to do 1/8" sheet is gonna cost you...plenty. JR Dweller in the cellar I'll bet Gunner could hook him up with something for a couple hundred dollars or less. -- John R. Carroll www.machiningsolution.com |
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7
wrote: I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. A hydraulic press brake comes to mind, but unless this is a high production need the cost is probably more than you'd want to pay. If there's an iron working shop near, they would probably make the bends for a modest fee. |
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Searcher7 wrote in :
I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. How about just buying it pre-formed? http://www.onlinemetals.com/merchant.cfm?pid=9942&step=4&showunits=inches&id=2 76&top_cat=0 |
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The force needed to bend metal goes up by the square of the thickness
increase. This means it takes 4 times the machine to bend twice the thickness. The $500 16 gage brakes are cheap, overrated (that is, they fudge on their stats) chinese imports. A decent american made 16 gage brake is closer to a grand. Imagine needing to build 4 times the machine, to bend 1/8", and you start to see why the Chicago D&K machines, made here, are north of 5 grand. Cheapest heavy duty manual brakes I know of are the Grizzlys. They make a couple of 12 gage brakes that will bend 1/8". The G0542, for example, will do what you want, and, at about $1500, is a bargain. Just on a per pound basis, its only .88 a lb. You cant buy raw steel for that where I live, much less machined, welded, and assembled into a brake. And its a very flexible tool that will do all kinds of sheet metal work. The other alternative is a cheap press brake die, in a hydraulic press. Together, probably similar money, but more suited to production bending of just one bend. The problem is that 24" of bend gets you up into higher tonnages. A 20 ton is probably not enough. Northern tool makes a 24" press brake die that they claim will work with a 20 ton press, but they dont specify thickness. Me, I think 1/8" is gonna be pushing it with this setup- http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_21896_21896 If you are only doing a few, maybe. Any quantity, and I would be thinking 40 ton press, and heavier duty dieset. But its a start, and its only a few hundred for the die. Bending 1/8" plate, reliably and accurately, in any quantity, gets you into industrial tools, and industrial prices. |
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On May 4, 1:12 pm, Searcher7 wrote:
I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. You don't say what quantity of parts you need bent but I'm wondering if you could get sheets of metal, of the size you need and have them welded together at the appropriate angle? Lewis. ***** |
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On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:12:58 GMT, "John R. Carroll"
wrote: JR North wrote: I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 wrote: The only relatively inexpensive ($500) brakes will only do 16ga max. A brake to do 1/8" sheet is gonna cost you...plenty. JR Dweller in the cellar I'll bet Gunner could hook him up with something for a couple hundred dollars or less. http://bd-4.org/bendingbrake.html www.zena.net/htdocs/welders/projects.shtml http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html Its actually pretty hard to find a brake that will do 1/8" steel on the surplus market Thats well into the press brake capacity. If its only one or two pieces, most fabrication shops will do it for you for little money Its fairly easy to make a beefy version of the above brakes, that will do 24x 1/8" flat stock. Simply scale up the plans, and put a LONG lever on it. If something breaks, (pun intended) beef it up again. Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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On May 4, 9:16*pm, Gunner Asch wrote:
On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:12:58 GMT, "John R. Carroll" wrote: JR North wrote: I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 wrote: The only relatively inexpensive ($500) brakes will only do 16ga max. A brake to do 1/8" sheet is gonna cost you...plenty. JR Dweller in the cellar I'll bet Gunner could hook him up with something for a couple hundred dollars or less. http://bd-4.org/bendingbrake.html www.zena.net/htdocs/welders/projects.shtml http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html Its actually pretty hard to find a brake that will do 1/8" steel on the surplus market Thats well into the press brake capacity. If its only one or two pieces, most fabrication shops will do it for you for little money Its fairly easy to make a beefy version of the above brakes, that will do 24x 1/8" flat stock. Simply scale up the plans, and put a LONG lever on it. If something breaks, (pun intended) beef it up again. Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Due to an ommision I deleted my first post from Google and re-posted, but I guess certain news readers grabbed it up immediately and now there are two of these threads. Anyway, what I am making is a replica of a video game control panel that was originally made of B.C. plywood covered with veneer. So now I'm forced to wonder if 1/16" thick steel would be sturdy enough. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. |
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Due to an ommision I deleted my first post from Google and re-posted,
but I guess certain news readers grabbed it up immediately and now there are two of these threads. Anyway, what I am making is a replica of a video game control panel that was originally made of B.C. plywood covered with veneer. So now I'm forced to wonder if 1/16" thick steel would be sturdy enough. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. If you mean the outer shell of an arcade style game what do you even need steel for? Use some MDF for the side panels and the top control board. Then use 2X2 glued into the inner corners under the deck. That was all the original games used. I have an original Pac-man and a Missile Command and both are MDF with veneer and screen printed logo panels. There are steel angle brackets for the rear access panels and the CRT cover. They are 16 gauge formed steel. -- Steve W. |
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 18:22:24 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7
wrote: On May 4, 9:16*pm, Gunner Asch wrote: On Sun, 04 May 2008 19:12:58 GMT, "John R. Carroll" wrote: JR North wrote: I am looking into a tool that will allow me to bend 6" X 24"(1/8" thick) mild steel lengthwise to about 90 degrees. I'd appreciate any ideas on what I'd need, or possibly a website tutorial for this. Thanks a lot. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. On Sun, 4 May 2008 11:12:14 -0700 (PDT), Searcher7 wrote: The only relatively inexpensive ($500) brakes will only do 16ga max. A brake to do 1/8" sheet is gonna cost you...plenty. JR Dweller in the cellar I'll bet Gunner could hook him up with something for a couple hundred dollars or less. http://bd-4.org/bendingbrake.html www.zena.net/htdocs/welders/projects.shtml http://www.lindsaybks.com/dgjp/djgbk/series/index.html Its actually pretty hard to find a brake that will do 1/8" steel on the surplus market Thats well into the press brake capacity. If its only one or two pieces, most fabrication shops will do it for you for little money Its fairly easy to make a beefy version of the above brakes, that will do 24x 1/8" flat stock. Simply scale up the plans, and put a LONG lever on it. If something breaks, (pun intended) beef it up again. Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Due to an ommision I deleted my first post from Google and re-posted, but I guess certain news readers grabbed it up immediately and now there are two of these threads. Anyway, what I am making is a replica of a video game control panel that was originally made of B.C. plywood covered with veneer. So now I'm forced to wonder if 1/16" thick steel would be sturdy enough. Thanks. Darren Harris Staten Island, New York. Does it even need to be made of steel? A nice piece of 5/16 lexan or other plastic can be pretty stiff, and is easily formed with a simple form and a heat source. Reading the other posts showed that it wasnt a true 90, but a very large radius, which means Press Brake and dies, as its very hard to roll that sort of radius on anything in a hobbists shop One Could cobble something up, using a solid bar of the proper diameter, several hydraulic bottle jacks and some I beams Gunner Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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On Sun, 4 May 2008 17:02:46 -0700 (PDT), Ries
wrote: The force needed to bend metal goes up by the square of the thickness increase. This means it takes 4 times the machine to bend twice the thickness. The $500 16 gage brakes are cheap, overrated (that is, they fudge on their stats) chinese imports. A decent american made 16 gage brake is closer to a grand. Imagine needing to build 4 times the machine, to bend 1/8", and you start to see why the Chicago D&K machines, made here, are north of 5 grand. Cheapest heavy duty manual brakes I know of are the Grizzlys. They make a couple of 12 gage brakes that will bend 1/8". The G0542, for example, will do what you want, and, at about $1500, is a bargain. Just on a per pound basis, its only .88 a lb. You cant buy raw steel for that where I live, much less machined, welded, and assembled into a brake. And its a very flexible tool that will do all kinds of sheet metal work. The other alternative is a cheap press brake die, in a hydraulic press. Together, probably similar money, but more suited to production bending of just one bend. The problem is that 24" of bend gets you up into higher tonnages. A 20 ton is probably not enough. Northern tool makes a 24" press brake die that they claim will work with a 20 ton press, but they dont specify thickness. Me, I think 1/8" is gonna be pushing it with this setup- http://www.northerntool.com/webapp/w...70_21896_21896 If you are only doing a few, maybe. Any quantity, and I would be thinking 40 ton press, and heavier duty dieset. I agree..its gonna be in the 40 ton range. But its a start, and its only a few hundred for the die. Bending 1/8" plate, reliably and accurately, in any quantity, gets you into industrial tools, and industrial prices. Google Ebay for Press Brake. Dont forget to add rigging and shipping of 10-20,000 lbs Have it fabbed at a fab shop. You could copy this and use a couple bottle jacks.... http://cgi.ebay.com/Press-brake-Meta...QQcmdZViewItem Political Correctness is a doctrine fostered by a delusional, illogical liberal minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end. |
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