The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

Thanks for the post. I was one of the donors of period wrought iron
for the comparison testing. They (NIST)told me at the time that they'd
keep me informed but I never heard from them.

Pete Stanaitis
---------------------

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

On 2008-04-15, spaco wrote:
Thanks for the post. I was one of the donors of period wrought iron
for the comparison testing. They (NIST)told me at the time that they'd
keep me informed but I never heard from them.

Wow.

So, did you provide a good rivet or the one with too much slag?

Care to share anything?

i

Pete Stanaitis

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

I provided a sample of double refined wrought iron that came from bridge
spikes that were recovered from the Mississippi River where most of that
bridge ended up after being dynamited to get rid of it. A guy up here
"mined" these spikes from the head end of an island and tried to sell
them as historical artifacts, but nobody was buying, so I bought several
hundred pounds of them at about 8 cents a pound, 20 years ago.
FWIW, these spikes are 3/4" square and vary from about 2 feet long to
about 3 feet long. Most of them, as I receive them, are bent in "S",
"U" and other shapes, for obvious reasons. They tell me that the bridge
was made mostly from 12" square pine timbers.

I never heard of this "best" and "best, best" rating. All I know is:
Muck bar (right out of the bloomery)
Double refined
Triple refined
Used (This is usually considered better than muck bar, since it has been
worked more).

For blacksmiths, this wrought iron, being VERY low in carbon content can
be worked a high heat. It is soft and doesn't work harden.

I am glad that none of MY early riveting was holding the Titanic together.

Pete Stanaitis
------------------------------------------------

Ignoramus15568 wrote:

On 2008-04-15, spaco wrote:

Thanks for the post. I was one of the donors of period wrought iron
for the comparison testing. They (NIST)told me at the time that they'd
keep me informed but I never heard from them.


Wow.

So, did you provide a good rivet or the one with too much slag?

Care to share anything?

i


Pete Stanaitis

Ignoramus15568 wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus15568
wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

the problem was caused by the cold temperature properties of the
particular alloy used in the plates of the hull.

On 2008-04-15, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus15568
wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

the problem was caused by the cold temperature properties of the
particular alloy used in the plates of the hull.

I thought the article implied that the plates did not crack, but the
rivets popped?

i

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
On 2008-04-15, Stealth Pilot wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus15568
wrote:


The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

the problem was caused by the cold temperature properties of the
particular alloy used in the plates of the hull.


I thought the article implied that the plates did not crack, but the
rivets popped?

i

I believe the (I think) Nova episode I mentioned in an earlier report
with the Izod tests of a Titanic plate sample also had underwater
footage of a HUGE crack in the plates of the ship, like 50 feet long.
I think there also was a National Geographic article about the same time.

Jon

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 09:32:42 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
Ignoramus15568 quickly quoth:

On 2008-04-15, Stealth Pilot wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus15568
wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

the problem was caused by the cold temperature properties of the
particular alloy used in the plates of the hull.

I thought the article implied that the plates did not crack, but the
rivets popped?

You mean that the gaping holes caused by ramming the iceberg and the
wide-open watertight doors had nothing to do with the sinking?


--
It is better to wear out than to rust out.
-- Bishop Richard Cumberland

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 07:29:57 -0500, Ignoramus15568
wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html


Iggy, if you are seriously interested there is a guy, Roger, over on
rec.boats cruising that has done a bunch of engineering studies on the
Titanic. Even been on T.V. programs about the sinking. Post a question
to him. I'm sure that you will get an answer.

Bruce-in-Bangkok
(correct email address for reply)

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting. Another
one mentioned that if quality welding was available and used to make
the hull, then it would not open up the way it did due to the
collision.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/15/sc...15titanic.html

I saw something about 10 years ago where they tested a piece of the
iron plate with an Izod impact tester, first at room temp, then after a
soak in a 28 F bath. First test was fine, sample bent a small, but
measurable amount. The cold test, however, caused the piece to break
like glass and bounce off the wall. They said the iron had a high
sulfur content, that makes it VERY brittle when cold. This was with an
actual sample of the Titanic plate brought up from the bottom. I think
it was a Nova episode.

Jon

On Apr 15, 2:34*pm, Jon Elson wrote:
The cold test, however, caused the piece to break
like glass and bounce off the wall. *They said the iron had a high
sulfur content, that makes it VERY brittle when cold. *
Jon

The Ken Marschall painting of the port side of the stern "based on
photographs taken of the wreck" shows bent and wrinkled lower side
plating with some rips that cross plate edges.

I think I remember seeing a painting of the other side with the plates
separated along the seams. Maybe that was another shipwreck?

Jim Wilkins

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.


I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?


Kevin Gallimore


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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:05:45 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
axolotl quickly quoth:

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.


I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?

That's probably a perfume pump. The old biddies on liners back then
wore it by the quart. Y'know, just like they do today.

---
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On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 18:28:39 -0700, Larry Jaques
wrote:

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:05:45 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
axolotl quickly quoth:

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.


I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?

That's probably a perfume pump. The old biddies on liners back then
wore it by the quart. Y'know, just like they do today.

---
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---
http://diversify.com NoteSHADES(tm) laptop privacy/glare guards
Mostly to cover the stale, second hand tobacco odour.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

On 2008-04-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:05:45 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
axolotl quickly quoth:

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.


I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?

That's probably a perfume pump. The old biddies on liners back then
wore it by the quart. Y'know, just like they do today.

Check this out


http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_8.jpg

What is in the middle, covered by a bench side?

Looks like a disposable plastic cup to me.

i

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
On 2008-04-16, Larry Jaques novalidaddress@di wrote:
On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 21:05:45 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
axolotl quickly quoth:

Ignoramus15568 wrote:
The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.

I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?
That's probably a perfume pump. The old biddies on liners back then
wore it by the quart. Y'know, just like they do today.

Check this out


http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_8.jpg

What is in the middle, covered by a bench side?

Looks like a disposable plastic cup to me.

i

Yep. Probably left there by the Spielberg crew during the filming for
Titanic. You can see that same type of cup when they are working to
raise the safe in the first part of the movie. Looks like a Solo 12 oz.

--
Steve W.
Near Cooperstown, New York

Life is not like a box of chocolates
it's more like a jar of jalapenos-
what you do today could burn your ass tomorrow!

On Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:57:21 -0500, with neither quill nor qualm,
Ignoramus15568 quickly quoth:

Check this out


http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_8.jpg

What is in the middle, covered by a bench side?

Looks like a disposable plastic cup to me.

Yeah, a beer cup from the stadium. Hmmm...

Did anyone ask Kate or Leo if it was theirs?

--
It is better to wear out than to rust out.
-- Bishop Richard Cumberland

In article ,
Ignoramus15568 wrote:

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_8.jpg

What is in the middle, covered by a bench side?

Looks like a disposable plastic cup to me.

AHA! That's it! Proof that the entire Titanic sinking was faked.

--
-Ed Falk,
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 19:07:13 +0000 (UTC), (Edward
A. Falk) wrote:

In article ,
Ignoramus15568 wrote:

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_8.jpg

What is in the middle, covered by a bench side?

Looks like a disposable plastic cup to me.

AHA! That's it! Proof that the entire Titanic sinking was faked.


That photo obviously was taken in Tank#3 at Universal Studios !!

Its a government conspiracy by the NeoCons and the running dog
military industrial complex led by that rat******* Shrub!!

axolotl wrote:
Ignoramus15568 wrote:

The article does not amount to proof, but it is interesting.



I see that Dr. Ballard has released a new book of Titanic pictures.
Among them is this (superb) picture of a deck machine of some type.

http://intheboatshed.net/wp-content/.../titanic_5.jpg

What is it?


Kevin Gallimore


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Looks far to clean to have been there when the ship went down, doesen't it?

My "toy box" contains a small handful of crushed coal recovered from the
Titanic. I purchased it from Ballard's group about ten years ago. Why? I
dunno... Probably the same unknown reason why I bought a small piece of
the Berlin wall when it came down... I can rationalize those purchases
by saying that if I'd spent the same money on booze it'd have
dissapeared down the drain long ago.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.