In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being
fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights'
and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom
of collective bargaining...

Unity
Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

The value of unions has greatly diminished over the decades. There was a
time and a place in history for them. The currently existing unions
typically hinder productivity for employees, companies, schools, and the
USA. Outsourcing and Unions have cost us, my children, and my
children's children a to much.
Just look at the state of the California schools, the automotive, steel,
and airline industries.

Simon Shabtai Evan


Millwright Ron wrote:
In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being
fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights'
and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom
of collective bargaining...

Unity
Millwright Ron
www.unionmillwright.com

"Shabtai Evan" wrote in message
t...
The value of unions has greatly diminished over the decades. There was a
time and a place in history for them. The currently existing unions
typically hinder productivity for employees, companies, schools, and the
USA. Outsourcing and Unions have cost us, my children, and my
children's children a to much.
Just look at the state of the California schools, the automotive, steel,
and airline industries.


Funny that you would look at those industries and conclude that the reason
for their problems stems from unions. Any unbiased and critical look at each
of those you mentioned will show that each of them has unique challenges and
problems. It will also show that the fact that those industries have unions
has little or nothing to do with what's ailing them. But then if you start
with the assumption that unions are bad it's not really a surprise that you
wind up blaming them for everything. That has been a favorite tactic of
company management ever since unions were legalized. If you are not a
businessman or part of company management then that would be a surprise for
you to have that anti union view. But then, ever since Reagan many ordinary
working class whites have blamed unions for their problems when in reality
all unions ever did for the working class was to help it. Which is something
you can't say about management.

Hawke

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Shabtai Evan" wrote in message
t...
The value of unions has greatly diminished over the decades. There was a
time and a place in history for them. The currently existing unions
typically hinder productivity for employees, companies, schools, and the
USA. Outsourcing and Unions have cost us, my children, and my
children's children a to much.
Just look at the state of the California schools, the automotive, steel,
and airline industries.


Funny that you would look at those industries and conclude that the reason
for their problems stems from unions. Any unbiased and critical look at
each
of those you mentioned will show that each of them has unique challenges
and
problems. It will also show that the fact that those industries have
unions
has little or nothing to do with what's ailing them. But then if you start
with the assumption that unions are bad it's not really a surprise that
you
wind up blaming them for everything. That has been a favorite tactic of
company management ever since unions were legalized. If you are not a
businessman or part of company management then that would be a surprise
for
you to have that anti union view. But then, ever since Reagan many
ordinary
working class whites have blamed unions for their problems when in reality
all unions ever did for the working class was to help it. Which is
something
you can't say about management.

Hawke





http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/mcwane/

turns out you can watch the entire episode on-line.

when i read shabtai evan's post i thought "..unions hinder productivity.."
huh. unlike how productivity is raised in the conditions at places like
mcwane. work fast and hard (and get crushed by a truck) or be safe and
reduce productivity. i guess it depends on where you stand which is the
more desirable result.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Shabtai Evan" wrote in message
t...
The value of unions has greatly diminished over the decades. There was a
time and a place in history for them. The currently existing unions
typically hinder productivity for employees, companies, schools, and the
USA. Outsourcing and Unions have cost us, my children, and my
children's children a to much.
Just look at the state of the California schools, the automotive, steel,
and airline industries.


Funny that you would look at those industries and conclude that the reason
for their problems stems from unions. Any unbiased and critical look at each
of those you mentioned will show that each of them has unique challenges and
problems. It will also show that the fact that those industries have unions
has little or nothing to do with what's ailing them. But then if you start
with the assumption that unions are bad it's not really a surprise that you
wind up blaming them for everything. That has been a favorite tactic of
company management ever since unions were legalized. If you are not a
businessman or part of company management then that would be a surprise for
you to have that anti union view. But then, ever since Reagan many ordinary
working class whites have blamed unions for their problems when in reality
all unions ever did for the working class was to help it. Which is something
you can't say about management.

Hawke



It's not that unions are good or bad, it's that they are seriously flawed in
concept. In Japan, unions actually function to better the lives of the
employees AND better the position of the company within it's market. There
exists a high degree of cooperation. Here in the US, unions have a reputation
of corruption, hindrance to productivity and low value returned for dues levied
on employees. The bad thing is that unions could be a good thing but choose not
to change their structure and methods...that's why they are diminishing. I USE
the union in my place to actually accomplish things. It took a long time to get
them on a new paradigm and shed the '50s mentality.

"Hawke" wrote in message
...

"Shabtai Evan" wrote in message
t...
The value of unions has greatly diminished over the decades. There was a
time and a place in history for them. The currently existing unions
typically hinder productivity for employees, companies, schools, and the
USA. Outsourcing and Unions have cost us, my children, and my
children's children a to much.
Just look at the state of the California schools, the automotive, steel,
and airline industries.


Funny that you would look at those industries and conclude that the reason
for their problems stems from unions. Any unbiased and critical look at
each
of those you mentioned will show that each of them has unique challenges
and
problems. It will also show that the fact that those industries have
unions
has little or nothing to do with what's ailing them. But then if you start
with the assumption that unions are bad it's not really a surprise that
you
wind up blaming them for everything.


Since you believe that unions are perfect and can do no wrong it is no
surprise that you would overlook the lost jobs, and reduced efficiency
caused
by unions.



















That has been a favorite tactic of
company management ever since unions were legalized. If you are not a
businessman or part of company management then that would be a surprise
for
you to have that anti union view. But then, ever since Reagan many
ordinary
working class whites have blamed unions for their problems when in reality
all unions ever did for the working class was to help it. Which is
something
you can't say about management.

Hawke

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...
In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being
fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights'
and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom
of collective bargaining...

Yep! EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD!

Harold

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 04:06:17 GMT, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Harold and Susan Vordos" quickly quoth:


"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
...
In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being
fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights'
and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom
of collective bargaining...

Yep! EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD!

Hayseuss, is that asshole still plugging unions here? Just plonk the
tweaker and forget him. Spammers deserve no attention whatsoever.

--
Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in getting up every time we do.
-- Confucius

Millwright Ron wrote:

In our glorious fight for civil rights, we must guard against being
fooled by false slogans, as 'right-to-work.' It provides no 'rights'
and no 'works.' Its purpose is to destroy labor unions and the freedom
of collective bargaining...


Why aren't you out campaigning for Obama? You're both union ass
kissers.


--
Service to my country? Been there, Done that, and I've got my DD214 to
prove it.
Member of DAV #85.

Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida