I've seen several posts by certain people who say unions have outlived
their usefulness and are no longer needed.



If you feel this way you're in for a rude awakening some time in the
future. Once the unions are gone you'll see. There have been many
workers that are non-union that have ridden on the coattails of
unions.



Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.



Just wait. When all of this is gone we'll all be living in cardboard
boxes like they do in Mexico. If you're a professional person it can
happen to you, too.



This whole deal of illegal immigration, outsourcing - offshoring, H-1B
abuses, and other things will serve to lower everyones wages, even
among the professions. It's just a matter of time. In fact, it's
happening as I write this. Some bigshot somewhere is hatching a plan
to offshore your job or reduce your wages. You can take that one to
the bank!



When this happens who will stand up for you? The government? Hah, Hah.
You'll wish you had a union.

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...
snip-----

Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.


You just don't get it, do you? People with your mindset tend to be nothing
short of users of society, and very undesirable to be around. Who the
hell wants to be around anyone that feels the world owes them a living?
Benchmarks established at the hands of greedy people represent nothing more
than a benchmark that is doomed to fail.

The UAW is one of the worst of violators, and have single handedly driven
the auto industry to other countries. Union workers made that real easy by
slacking off, demanding more pay for less work, and ignoring even the most
basic demands for quality. Too damned busy going to work stoned to do the
work. I'm without words when I consider that workers that had nothing more
than a lunchbox invested in their jobs were knocking down more than $25/hr
when skilled trades weren't making anywhere near that amount. It's not a
sign of a good thing, it's a sign of things out of control, doomed to
collapse, as they've done. Had workers in this country kept their wits
about themselves and worked for earned wages, perhaps the gap in pay
wouldn't have been large enough for industry to move. We'll be doing good
to have anything left on our shores in a few years if the trend continues.

Tell me-----what's best-----never being able to buy that boat you couldn't
afford, or buying it, only to lose it because your job was lost because you
priced yourself out of the market with unearned wages? Don't you lose by
either choice?

You can put your union where the sun doesn't shine.

Harold

"Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote in message
. net...

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...
snip-----

Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.


You just don't get it, do you? People with your mindset tend to be
nothing short of users of society, and very undesirable to be around.
Who the hell wants to be around anyone that feels the world owes them a
living? Benchmarks established at the hands of greedy people represent
nothing more than a benchmark that is doomed to fail.

The UAW is one of the worst of violators, and have single handedly driven
the auto industry to other countries. Union workers made that real easy
by slacking off, demanding more pay for less work, and ignoring even the
most basic demands for quality. Too damned busy going to work stoned to do
the work. I'm without words when I consider that workers that had
nothing more than a lunchbox invested in their jobs were knocking down
more than $25/hr when skilled trades weren't making anywhere near that
amount. It's not a sign of a good thing, it's a sign of things out of
control, doomed to collapse, as they've done. Had workers in this
country kept their wits about themselves and worked for earned wages,
perhaps the gap in pay wouldn't have been large enough for industry to
move. We'll be doing good to have anything left on our shores in a few
years if the trend continues.

Tell me-----what's best-----never being able to buy that boat you couldn't
afford, or buying it, only to lose it because your job was lost because
you priced yourself out of the market with unearned wages? Don't you
lose by either choice?

You can put your union where the sun doesn't shine.

Harold



Don't hold back Harold, tell him what you REALLY think! (He's trolling, I
think)

Millwright Wrong wrote in article
. com...
I've seen several posts by certain people who say unions have outlived
their usefulness and are no longer needed.



If you feel this way you're in for a rude awakening some time in the
future. Once the unions are gone you'll see. There have been many
workers that are non-union that have ridden on the coattails of
unions.



I run my own business.....started with absolutely no assistance from ANY
union or union member.

Whose coattails am I riding on?



Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.



That's a "union thing."

In the REAL world, wages and other compensation are based on value
received.



Just wait. When all of this is gone we'll all be living in cardboard
boxes like they do in Mexico. If you're a professional person it can
happen to you, too.



I hope they choose union-made cardboard boxes...ROFLMAO


This whole deal of illegal immigration, outsourcing - offshoring, H-1B
abuses, and other things will serve to lower everyones wages, even
among the professions. It's just a matter of time. In fact, it's
happening as I write this. Some bigshot somewhere is hatching a plan
to offshore your job or reduce your wages. You can take that one to
the bank!



There wasn't ANY union involvement in the opening of my own business.

If ANYBODY was gonna' "offshore" my job, it would be ME!.......

.....and, I'm pretty happy with myself these days, so that doesn't look like
it's about to happen.



When this happens who will stand up for you? The government? Hah, Hah.
You'll wish you had a union.





You sound like the playground bully who finally meets his
comeuppance...........

........then cries, "Wait until I tell my Daddy!"

On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:37:41 GMT, Harold and Susan Vordos wrote:

"Millwright Ron" wrote in message
ups.com...

Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.

You just don't get it, do you? People with your mindset tend to be nothing
short of users of society, and very undesirable to be around. Who the
hell wants to be around anyone that feels the world owes them a living?

It also amazes me, that so many union folks I know are hunters and
otherwise gun owners, but will vote for any democrat, even a clinton,
because they're "looking out for the common man". News flash: they're
looking out for themself, and are using you to get their way, that's
all. Look what your democratic congress has accomplished (nothing).
They wanted in to end the war, is the war over?

You can put your union where the sun doesn't shine.

I learned everything I needed to know about unions years ago when I was
setting up an assembly line. I was/am salaried, and asked about how we
go about screening the applicants for the assembly jobs to make sure we
get people who can, you know, read a drawing and follow instructions.
The shocked/amused/amazed response was "You get the guys who have the
most seniority and who post for it, regardless of their current role or
talent".

I'm not sure how that benefits anyone. Certainly not a business trying
to get the best people in a position.

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 06:37:41 GMT, Harold and Susan Vordos
wrote:

It also amazes me, that so many union folks I know are hunters and
otherwise gun owners, but will vote for any democrat, even a clinton,
because they're "looking out for the common man".


Its also amazing that unions support the current clinton. How many union
members remember that the first clinton signed nafta and gave china most
favored nation status. That is a definate indicator of where the clintons
loyality
lie. As former union members now go to work as a part time
wal-mart greeter they can tell others how the first clinton protected union
jobs.

Best Regards
Tom.

On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:56:17 -0800, azotic wrote:

"Dave Hinz" wrote in message
...

It also amazes me, that so many union folks I know are hunters and
otherwise gun owners, but will vote for any democrat, even a clinton,
because they're "looking out for the common man".

Its also amazing that unions support the current clinton. How many union
members remember that the first clinton signed nafta and gave china most
favored nation status. That is a definate indicator of where the clintons
loyality
lie. As former union members now go to work as a part time
wal-mart greeter they can tell others how the first clinton protected union
jobs.

In our county, there was a VERY ugly strike when Tyson took over a local
unionized meat packing plant, banished the union, and a bunch of guys
were out of work for many months. Most never went back, and families of
scabs vs. strikers are to this day not talking to each other. Clinton
and Tyson were (are?) tight. And yet, these same people who were ****
on by Clinton's contributors, will vote for her given the choice. That
mental disconnect is just mind boggling.

And yes, I'll be writing letters to the editor in the local paper to
help people connect the dots and remember who their friends aren't.

On Nov 6, 10:37 pm, "Harold and Susan Vordos" wrote:
"Millwright Ron" wrote in message

ups.com...
snip-----



Many times the benchmark for workers for wages and benefits have been
union workers, especially the UAW. There is also what is called the
prevailing wage. Many wages in a community are based on benchmarks and
prevailing wages.

You just don't get it, do you? People with your mindset tend to be nothing
short of users of society, and very undesirable to be around. Who the
hell wants to be around anyone that feels the world owes them a living?
Benchmarks established at the hands of greedy people represent nothing more
than a benchmark that is doomed to fail.

The UAW is one of the worst of violators, and have single handedly driven
the auto industry to other countries. Union workers made that real easy by
slacking off, demanding more pay for less work, and ignoring even the most
basic demands for quality. Too damned busy going to work stoned to do the
work. I'm without words when I consider that workers that had nothing more
than a lunchbox invested in their jobs were knocking down more than $25/hr
when skilled trades weren't making anywhere near that amount. It's not a
sign of a good thing, it's a sign of things out of control, doomed to
collapse, as they've done. Had workers in this country kept their wits
about themselves and worked for earned wages, perhaps the gap in pay
wouldn't have been large enough for industry to move. We'll be doing good
to have anything left on our shores in a few years if the trend continues.

Tell me-----what's best-----never being able to buy that boat you couldn't
afford, or buying it, only to lose it because your job was lost because you
priced yourself out of the market with unearned wages? Don't you lose by
either choice?

You can put your union where the sun doesn't shine.

Harold
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