Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin

Tom Hubin wrote:
Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Traditionally you just mark your fab
drawings as copyright and proprietary
trade secret and let it go at that.

It's not clear how much more an NDA
would do for you. I've worked at quite
a few high tech places and I don't recall
ever asking a metalworking shop to sign
a non-disclosure.

Jim Stewart wrote in
:


It's not clear how much more an NDA
would do for you. I've worked at quite
a few high tech places and I don't recall
ever asking a metalworking shop to sign
a non-disclosure.

The company I work for requires an NDA for every vendor that would have
any remote chance of gaining any process/technical/business information
from the transactions with that vendor. This most certianly includes
machine shops, or anyone who would visit (or have to walk by) any
production, engineering or support areas of our facilities.
Probably the big difference is they have the bevy of corp lawyers who
would actually enforce the clauses of the NDA through whatever legal
means are available.

--
Anthony

You can't 'idiot proof' anything....every time you try, they just make
better idiots.

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Tom Hubin wrote:

Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin





" If you copy ma parts and start sellin em, my cousin Vinny is gonna
give you a visit"



John

On Jul 20, 6:36 pm, john wrote:
Tom Hubin wrote:
Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin


" If you copy ma parts and start sellin em, my cousin Vinny is gonna
give you a visit"

John

Tom, this one isn't terrible http://www.score.org/downloads/NonDi...eAgreement.pdf
though I would insert a paragraph describing the length of time they
have to evaluate your work and allow either party to terminate the
agreement ( but not the obligation to keep things secret ) on some
short notice - 30 days. You should also rewrite paragraph 1 to make
it more specific - C I includes all drawings, prototypes , and
specifications for the _______ developed by the disclosing party.
The main purpose of this agreement is not that you would want to
enforce it, but instead to have the company you deal with agree that
they won't use your ideas - and not only that they agree to that
before you provide the secrets to them, that they agree to that in
writing. Good luck.

john wrote:

Tom Hubin wrote:

Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin



" If you copy ma parts and start sellin em, my cousin Vinny is gonna
give you a visit"

John



And your cousin Vinny better be a damn good lawyer.



John

On Jul 20, 9:41 pm, wrote:
On Jul 20, 6:36 pm, john wrote:





Tom Hubin wrote:
Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin


" If you copy ma parts and start sellin em, my cousin Vinny is gonna
give you a visit"

John

Tom, this one isn't terrible http://www.score.org/downloads/NonDi...eAgreement.pdf
though I would insert a paragraph describing the length of time they
have to evaluate your work and allow either party to terminate the
agreement ( but not the obligation to keep things secret ) on some
short notice - 30 days. You should also rewrite paragraph 1 to make
it more specific - C I includes all drawings, prototypes , and
specifications for the _______ developed by the disclosing party.
The main purpose of this agreement is not that you would want to
enforce it, but instead to have the company you deal with agree that
they won't use your ideas - and not only that they agree to that
before you provide the secrets to them, that they agree to that in
writing. Good luck.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

p.s. I would usually add a provision that says if you have to sue
them, they will pay your attorneys fees. You might want to talk to an
attorney about other steps you should be taking to protect yourself -
such as forming a corporation and having your attorney review any
contracts with marketers or distributors before you sign to have your
product sold.

Tom Hubin wrote:
Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin



Get a lawyer.

Draft one specific to your and your contacts' needs.

I have been approached a couple times (as a hobby machine shop guy) to
sign NDA's in order that I might "help" someone solve a problem with an
invention.

It has been by nutters, each and every one of them. Either convinced
that they were onto the next big thing, or afraid that someone will
steal their idea, or on the lookout for someone to blame when their idea
did not get them rich.
At least two of them were "inventing" things that were readilly
available, but they were not aware of. One had to have it explained to
him why it was a bad idea to have oxygen in contact with lube oils
(wanted to run a pump, use, undisclosed, off of the line pressure of a
breathing oxygen bottle).

That may not be you, Tom, but, I figure, if the information is worth
protecting with an NDA, it is worth the Lawyers' fees.

Cheers
Trevor Jones

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

I write my own. Seems to work.

-jd

Tom Hubin wrote:

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.


What is your plan to detect disclosure and how able are you to pay to
litigate your suspicions?


Wes

Tom Hubin wrote:

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes.


If you really want to protect your idea, I would not send the full set to
any shop. Spread the details across multiple shops so the intent can not be
decerned from your drawings that are at any particular shop. Think
compartmentalization.

Wes

On Fri, 20 Jul 2007 20:43:48 GMT, Tom Hubin
wrote:

Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin


NDA's are filecabinet-food for corporate weenies. They're not worth
crap otherwise because they are at best a weak excuse to engage in
litigation that would cost far more than any reasonably-expectable
return.

Deal with people you have reason to believe have integrity. Do a
simple NDA as a matter of form if it makes you feel better.

On Jul 20, 7:03 pm, Trevor Jones wrote:
Tom Hubin wrote:
Hello,

I am happy with the aluminum prototypes that I made and now ready to
send drawings out for quotes. I have been looking for an appropriate Non
Disclosure Agreement and not coming up with much. Some are too vague and
some are too specific and none seem quite right for a machine shop
making parts from my drawings.

Please point me to an appropriate NDA for a machine shop making parts
from my drawings.

Tom Hubin


Get a lawyer.

Draft one specific to your and your contacts' needs.

I have been approached a couple times (as a hobby machine shop guy) to
sign NDA's in order that I might "help" someone solve a problem with an
invention.

It has been by nutters, each and every one of them. Either convinced
that they were onto the next big thing, or afraid that someone will
steal their idea, or on the lookout for someone to blame when their idea
did not get them rich.
At least two of them were "inventing" things that were readilly
available, but they were not aware of. One had to have it explained to
him why it was a bad idea to have oxygen in contact with lube oils
(wanted to run a pump, use, undisclosed, off of the line pressure of a
breathing oxygen bottle).

That may not be you, Tom, but, I figure, if the information is worth
protecting with an NDA, it is worth the Lawyers' fees.

Cheers
Trevor Jones


well said my friend, well said