Wayne Cook wrote:
I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.

I have to ask, how many rollarounds do you own?

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Sun, 30 May 2004 17:45:37 GMT, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Wayne Cook wrote:
I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.

I have to ask, how many rollarounds do you own?

Well there's the three large ones in the pics. I also have a smaller
base cabinet which you can just see in the bottom of the third pic.
I've also got a large sized top box next to the shaper which holds my
measuring tools. All are stuffed to overflowing as is the huge 10'
tall cabinet, two 8 x 12' storage vans, set of old kitchen cabinets,
old commercial two door freezer, and any other nook or cranny in the
place. I need more space ! :-)

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

Wayne Cook wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2004 17:45:37 GMT, Jim Stewart
wrote:


Wayne Cook wrote:

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.

I have to ask, how many rollarounds do you own?


Well there's the three large ones in the pics. I also have a smaller
base cabinet which you can just see in the bottom of the third pic.
I've also got a large sized top box next to the shaper which holds my
measuring tools. All are stuffed to overflowing as is the huge 10'
tall cabinet, two 8 x 12' storage vans, set of old kitchen cabinets,
old commercial two door freezer, and any other nook or cranny in the
place. I need more space ! :-)

When you get to that point, it becomes a logistics
puzzle to find anything past a #2 Philips (:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.
Frank Morrison

Wayne Cook writes:

Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows almost no wear.

Should be in a museum.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 00:43:35 GMT, Jim Stewart
wrote:

Wayne Cook wrote:
On Sun, 30 May 2004 17:45:37 GMT, Jim Stewart
wrote:


Wayne Cook wrote:

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.

I have to ask, how many rollarounds do you own?


Well there's the three large ones in the pics. I also have a smaller
base cabinet which you can just see in the bottom of the third pic.
I've also got a large sized top box next to the shaper which holds my
measuring tools. All are stuffed to overflowing as is the huge 10'
tall cabinet, two 8 x 12' storage vans, set of old kitchen cabinets,
old commercial two door freezer, and any other nook or cranny in the
place. I need more space ! :-)

When you get to that point, it becomes a logistics
puzzle to find anything past a #2 Philips (:

Especially when you have a old man around who cleans up. The problem
is that he never remembers where stuff is supposed to go and thus puts
it in his own logical place. Unfortunately this shop isn't organized
logically. It kind of just happened over a number of years of finding
any place where a item can go. :-)

I forgot to mention why I had so many of those large roll arounds.
Last year a Atwoods store about 60 miles away had a regrand opening
after moving to a new location. Those boxes where part of the
promotion and at $380 a set I couldn't pass them up. Those are even
more of a gloat than the drill press but I think I already made it
back when I announced my web site. :-)


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On 31 May 2004 03:56:03 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to have
the original factory electric motor mount option but the slots are
much larger than is needed for the more modern motor that I believe is
also factory (it was wired with factory conduit).

I was definitely blown away by the condition when I saw it.
Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Sun, 30 May 2004 23:19:25 -0500, Richard J Kinch
wrote:

Wayne Cook writes:

Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows almost no wear.

Should be in a museum.

I've thought the same thing but it's also a shame for it not to be
used. According to guy I bought it from Cincinnati had similar ones in
there private museum and lunch room on display up till a few years ago
when they where given away (many went to museums alright). He learned
this after calling them asking them if they wanted it.
Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

In article , Fdmorrison says...

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I guess they don't make machines like this anymore - ones that
are both highly funcional and art as well. The castings on that
think are amazing.

Jim

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"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
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On 31 May 2004 03:56:03 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to have
....

That sweeping open arch casting surely dates it to 1920 or before. Even by
the 1930's it would be a modern compact or closed frame.

On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:08:57 GMT, "Bob Powell"
wrote:


"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
.. .
On 31 May 2004 03:56:03 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to have
...

That sweeping open arch casting surely dates it to 1920 or before. Even by
the 1930's it would be a modern compact or closed frame.


Possibly. Here's a site that has some info on the company and
pictures including one just like it but not in as good a shape.

http://www.oldwwmachines.com/MfgInde...LL&#PhotoIndex

I can't find anything else with any real info.

If you look note that the #36 drill press is dated at 1913 and
definitely has a different power down feed setup. They don't date it
as surely as the others either.

The #34 is very similar if not exactly the same in the head but has
a different table and support arm down below. It's also missing the
brace between the head and the drive pulleys down below.

There is one thing missing on mine and that's the cover for the back
gears. I have it but it was broke during a move. I've not got around
to fixing it yet.

The name plate has Canedy Otto at the top but in big letter
Cincinnati 21 Drill Press. At the bottom it states it's a product of
the Cincinnati Lathe and Tool Company. There's a Candey Otto logo on
one side and a Cincinnati logo on the other.


Ok. I just added a shot of the name plate to the web site.

I have no idea when Cincinnati bought out Canedy Otto but from the
looks of things I'd say this is one of the last of this type drill
press made.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On 31 May 2004 08:44:44 -0700, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , Fdmorrison says...

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I guess they don't make machines like this anymore - ones that
are both highly funcional and art as well. The castings on that
think are amazing.

Agreed !


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

I have no idea when Cincinnati bought out Canedy Otto but from the
looks of things I'd say this is one of the last of this type drill
press made.

It's a different Cincinnati ... Cinci Lathe was indep. of Cinci Machine in
the early 20th c.

Bob

On Tue, 01 Jun 2004 01:39:20 GMT, "Bob Powell"
wrote:

I have no idea when Cincinnati bought out Canedy Otto but from the
looks of things I'd say this is one of the last of this type drill
press made.

It's a different Cincinnati ... Cinci Lathe was indep. of Cinci Machine in
the early 20th c.

Ok. That's some more info I've managed to gather. :-)

Thanks.
Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

In article ,
says...
On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:08:57 GMT, "Bob Powell"
wrote:


"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
.. .
On 31 May 2004 03:56:03 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to have
...

That sweeping open arch casting surely dates it to 1920 or before. Even by
the 1930's it would be a modern compact or closed frame.


Possibly. Here's a site that has some info on the company and
pictures including one just like it but not in as good a shape.

http://www.oldwwmachines.com/MfgInde...LL&#PhotoIndex


The name plate has Canedy Otto at the top but in big letter
Cincinnati 21 Drill Press. At the bottom it states it's a product of
the Cincinnati Lathe and Tool Company. There's a Candey Otto logo on
one side and a Cincinnati logo on the other.


Ok. I just added a shot of the name plate to the web site.

I have no idea when Cincinnati bought out Canedy Otto but from the
looks of things I'd say this is one of the last of this type drill
press made.


I'd agree this is probably a relatively recent example of
an old design. I owned a small Canedy-Otto radial drill
(small as radial drills go, 3' arm x 9" column) that must
have been built before your machine. The name plate was
more stylized and mentioned Cincinatti, but only as the
place of manufacture, not as an affiliation with another
company. I'm guessing it dated from the 30s or 40s.

Ned Simmons

On Sun, 30 May 2004 12:47:50 -0500, Wayne Cook
wrote:


I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

There it is under AnedyOttoDP2002 the C is hardly there.
I still don't know much about it , except that it likes holes. I've
never tried again to get the quill off of it. There must be a trick to
getting the rack and pinion to let go , I even tried to take the
screws out of the rack at each end of travel , but that wasn't happen.
Tried to move the rod that holds the pinion , not worth wrecking it to
fix the slop. Any ideas? There is another one more like yours IIRC
across the highway from me. Camera got ripped though. Maybe some day
if you want more examples.

I got mine for $100 and the motor worked after I took apart the DP and
put it back together and still does ! Makes great alien antennas for
the kid.

Sunworshiper

wrt old rack & pinion on DP

I've
never tried again to get the quill off of it. There must be a trick to
getting the rack and pinion to let go , I even tried to take the
screws out of the rack at each end of travel , but that wasn't happen.
Tried to move the rod that holds the pinion , not worth wrecking it to
fix the slop. Any ideas?

On the simpler ones the quill is counterweighted with a weight that's inside
the column (like a window weight), usually attached by chain to the top of the
rack. You may have to punch out the pin that holds the pinion gear. Just make
sure you're addressing the small end if it's tapered. I would guess it would
have to be a straight pin.
Frank Morrison

On 01 Jun 2004 20:56:04 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Sunworshiper

wrt old rack & pinion on DP

I've
never tried again to get the quill off of it. There must be a trick to
getting the rack and pinion to let go , I even tried to take the
screws out of the rack at each end of travel , but that wasn't happen.
Tried to move the rod that holds the pinion , not worth wrecking it to
fix the slop. Any ideas?

On the simpler ones the quill is counterweighted with a weight that's inside
the column (like a window weight), usually attached by chain to the top of the
rack. You may have to punch out the pin that holds the pinion gear. Just make
sure you're addressing the small end if it's tapered. I would guess it would
have to be a straight pin.
Frank Morrison

Yes, mine has that set up , I remember having the chain wired up so it
wouldn't drop all the way down. Without knowing how it comes apart it
sure looks impossible to put it back together. It works well enough to
leave alone for the moment.

If I recall the rack isn't cut all the way to the ends , if it were it
would come right apart.

I have what I think is this one's older version. Mine looks very similar
but the column is one part, not bolted together and it does not mention
Cincinati as a maker. I also don't have a crank to operate the table.
Just a hex nut. Maybe I should make a crank.

Mine came out of a postal service shop and was donated as surplus to a non
profit art space that sold it at a fundraiser. I paid $60 for it.

I drilled one and a half inch holes in inch thick stock with it like it
was nothing.

It is my only drill press.

In article , Wayne Cook
wrote:

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear. It fast became the favorite drill press once I got it
running.


Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

On Thu, 03 Jun 2004 00:42:23 GMT, (Philippe Habib)
wrote:

I have what I think is this one's older version. Mine looks very similar
but the column is one part, not bolted together and it does not mention
Cincinati as a maker. I also don't have a crank to operate the table.
Just a hex nut. Maybe I should make a crank.

There's a nut under the crank. You might also note the handle end of
the crank has another hex socket though I've not really figured out
which bolts it's supposed to fit.

My old Buffalo Forge has a similar arrangement with a hex shaped
extension of the gear and a crank to go over it.

Mine came out of a postal service shop and was donated as surplus to a non
profit art space that sold it at a fundraiser. I paid $60 for it.

Better price than mine. I paid $600 for this one but felt it was
worth it considering the condition.

I drilled one and a half inch holes in inch thick stock with it like it
was nothing.

I'm sure. I've not drilled any that big with the Candey Otto yet but
it sure acts like it would do it without a sweat. I've done lots of
the with the Buffalo Forge and it does a good job but is a little more
work without the power down feed.

It is my only drill press.

It's a good one then. I could get by with only it except I'd like a
little more speed and sensitivity for the small bits.
Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook

"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
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On Mon, 31 May 2004 17:08:57 GMT, "Bob Powell"
wrote:


"Wayne Cook" wrote in message
.. .
On 31 May 2004 03:56:03 GMT, (Fdmorrison) wrote:

Wayne Cook

I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before. Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to have
...

That sweeping open arch casting surely dates it to 1920 or before. Even
by
the 1930's it would be a modern compact or closed frame.

I'm way wrong about 1920. Was just thumbing through the 1941 McMaster
catalog looking for something else and there it is on page 1406, your exact
drill press.

Canedy-Otto 21-inch Upright Power Drill, Belt Motor Drive.

Base, square with T-slots; back gear power feed and automatic stop; feds,
three distinct complete feds; powr, wheel and lever; feeds per revolution of
spindle, .004, .012 and .020"; eight speeds with use of back gear; height of
drill, overall, 76"; capacity, drills 0 to 1-1/2"; circle, drills to center
of 21" circle; spindle, diamter in sleeve, 1-5/16", vertical travl, 12";
thrust in spindle, high grade ball bearings; sleeve, spindle is graduated
into 1/16" divisions; hole in spindle socket, no. 3 or 4 Morse taper; gears,
diameter of crown gear, 5-7/8"; pinion, diameter of bevel pinion 3-1/8";
pitch of crown and pinion gear, 7; column, diameter 5-5/8"; material, vry
best gray iron; table diameter 17", vertical travel on column 21-1/4, with
T-slots; greatest distance between spindle and table, 29"; greatest distance
betwen spindle and base, 43"; bearings split on upper shaft and are large;
distance between column to center of spindle, 10-9/16"; phosphor bronze
bearing for crown gear; crated weight 975 lbs; cone, 4-step 4, 5-5/8, 7-1/8,
8-3/4 x 2-5/16" face. Speed of driving pulley, 350 RPM. Floor space,
17-1/2 x 47-1/2"; 1-1/2 HP required.

Net with 3 phase AC motor $439.75, net w/o motor $379.50.

The catalog has a small drawing that pretty much exactly matches your photos
including the feed mechanism and countershafts. The only difference I can
tell is the column looks like a single casting, without the joint between
the lower turned part and the upper branching-arms part.

Bob

I'm on a roll... posting stuff from poor memory and sounding like an idiot.
My excuse is my entire library is still packed from moving (5 years ago) and
I have forgotten a lot of stuff read long ago. Well at least it is
on-topic even if wrong. See today's other post on this thread for the
context.

Anyway Wayne is right about the Cincinnati connection as well. In the same
box as that 1941 McMaster catalog was my copy of the Cincinnati Milacron
centennial book (1884-1984). According to which:

Cincinnati Lathe & Tool co. was started in 1907 by a former Cinci Machine
employee. In 1946 Cincinnati Milling Machine co. went public and started
aquisitions and expansions. In 1947 they bought CL&T and maintained it as a
distinct brand. They were independent companies until that point. In 1949
they bought Canedy-Otto and made it part of CL&T. So Wayne's drill press
was made in or not long after 1949.

As part of the expansion, the parent company invested in new product
development and turned over the product lines pretty quickly. A drill press
that looks like the patterns were made in 1910 would have been high on the
hit list.

Being a company book it mentions only good news and "additions", and says
nothing about when brands were dropped or products phased out. In fact this
200 page book makes no mention of manual mills even existing after the
1940's. Only NC and CNC even though they obviously made manual mills at
least another 20 years.

Bob

"Bob Powell" wrote in message news:...
Wayne Cook" " wrote in message
I added a few shots of my new drill press to my web site. It's a
oldy but a goody Cincinnati (Canedy Otto) drill press that shows
almost no wear.

I've not seen a circa 1910 DP in such pristine condition before.
Very
impressive.

I agree except for the date. Based on what I've managed to dig up
Canedy Otto produced drill presses from the 1880's or there abouts
till the late 40's or early 50's when they where bought out by
Cincinnati. This drill press has Canedy Otto at the top of the plate
but in big bold letters below it has Cincinnati. Thus I believe this
press was really built sometime in the 50's. It was new enough to
have

On Thu, 10 Jun 2004 01:43:21 GMT, "Bob Powell"
wrote:


Anyway Wayne is right about the Cincinnati connection as well. In the same
box as that 1941 McMaster catalog was my copy of the Cincinnati Milacron
centennial book (1884-1984). According to which:

Cincinnati Lathe & Tool co. was started in 1907 by a former Cinci Machine
employee. In 1946 Cincinnati Milling Machine co. went public and started
aquisitions and expansions. In 1947 they bought CL&T and maintained it as a
distinct brand. They were independent companies until that point. In 1949
they bought Canedy-Otto and made it part of CL&T. So Wayne's drill press
was made in or not long after 1949.

Ok. That sounds like what I'd found so far.

As part of the expansion, the parent company invested in new product
development and turned over the product lines pretty quickly. A drill press
that looks like the patterns were made in 1910 would have been high on the
hit list.

Agreed.

Great stuff. This helps me date it. It's still in great shape for
being so old.

Thanks.

Wayne Cook
Shamrock, TX
http://members.dslextreme.com/users/waynecook