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A different single-point threading question....
"Eric R Snow" wrote in message news On Wed, 2 Jun 2004 18:53:31 -0400, "Bill Darby" wrote: Been wondering if I could get a fairly accurate depth of thread measurment with only a single wire and a mic. ***************************** So I took a new 1/2" 13 bolt and miced it. The measurnent of the major diameter was .489" I miced it again with a .040" drill bit inserted in the thread. The measurnent was .496" In order to balance that reading I subtracted half the major diameter of the bolt (.496" - 489"/2) = .2515" and doubled the result .2515"*2 = .503" So I now had the equivalent to a 3 wire reading. [IE .503"] So the sharp depth diameter reading would be 3 times the .040" drill diameter less or .503"- 3 * .040" = .383" The pitch diameter would be one pitch height greater or .383" + 1/13*.86603" = .4496" This .4496" pitch diameter falls nicely into the pitch diameter range of a class 3A thread. ****************************** Bill May seem complicated to do but you need no special kit, only two hands, and once you figure out the mechanics of it, it is easy and I would guess that the accuracy, while not as good as the proper three wires, it could serve most quite well. Bill (Hoping I didn't foul up my numbers) Of course, your one wire method only works if you first measure the OD of the part. And if doing several parts you must measure each part on the OD first. Unless your setup is good enough that the part to part variance is small enough that you can live with it. I hate thread wires. They are hard to hold on large diameter parts. And on coarse threads the wires may be so far apart that you are forced to use only one wire because the mike spindle is too small to bridge two wires.. And they don't check thread angle or minor diameter. And they are easy to lose in the chip pan. But I use 'em a lot anyway. ERS Yep! They're a real pain on coarse threads, and I assume on large diameters. Almost my entire experience has revolved around threads from 5/8" and smaller, right down to 80 pitch threads. Wires are the only way to go as far as I'm concerned. You hit the problem of a single wire dead on the head. Unless you carefully measure the diameter of any object from which you would take a measurement, then calculate the formula for each variation of the major diameter, it's not worth a damn. Jumping through all those hoops is far more complicated than using three wires, and certainly it wouldn't be as accurate. Further, threading tools have a way of leaving a minor burr at the crest of the thread, so each time you'd measure your thread you'd have to be careful to deburr the major diameter, but not alter it. Threads are measured by the three wire method because it is the most accurate and convenient way to determine pitch diameter. It probably goes without saying that it is assumes the operator has enough intelligence to assure that he is using a threading tool with the proper configuration, and it's set up properly. Threading blindly is no different from turning blindly. I can't imagine anyone turning a diameter without measuring somewhere along the way. Why would threading be any different, especially when threads tend to be tighter in tolerance than the typical turn? All the wires do is permit the use of your micrometer so you're not running blindly. Harold |
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