On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:04:29 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:



COMMUTER PREPAREDNESS

Picture the following scenario: Driving home in the
twilight from work, you're tired after the day's
pressures. Instead of concentrating on the road, you
are lost in thought about tonight's plans. Suddenly
there is a problem with the suspension in your car.
It feels odd and worsens rapidly. You get hit between
the eyes with a sudden, horrible realization that it's
not the car; it's an earthquake!

Everyone pulls over in alarm. The situation is
further complicated as you discover that the bridge
ahead has collapsed. Seen in your rear view mirror,
the overpass is a pile of rubble across the freeway.
Your goal is still the same, getting home.

I never want to be required to
follow through with my plans and I hope it never
happens to you. An emergency while traveling could be
many things; fill in the disaster "blank" for what you
are most likely to face in your area. Whether it be
floods, bushfires, earthquake in most places, tsunamis
on the coasts or even a flat tire can give you reason
to be thankful you planned ahead.

General Advice

Assume whatever "it" is, has just happened. Are you
safe? Do you need to move?

First, do CAPS (as in put on your thinking CAPS):

Calm down
Assess the situation
PRAY.
Set your course of action.

Mentally, go on Yellow Alert*, Red Alert** if you
must, depending on the situation. Forget unassociated
problems; concentrate on the difficulty at hand.
Relax and remember, it could be worse. Think
positively. You will get home safe and sound, this
event will fade and life will move on. Don't allow
yourself to be distracted from your goal of getting
home safely.

Yellow and Red Alerts are from Frank Cuccioni's
Tactical Response System.

*Yellow Alert is anticipating problems, observing your
environment, looking people in the eye as you pass
them. Avoid all trouble.


**Red Alert is handling trouble you can not avoid.



You'll have several decisions to make:

1. Should you be more, or less,
visible? (If possible). To hide or remain
visible... This depends on your unique situation;
follow your intuition. Being in sight helps someone
who may look for you know more about your situation.
Being out of sight may protect you and your property. Should you be on the
main roads, or try to sneak home out of sight by back roads?


2. Should you try to (a) get home by driving, (b) wait with the car for
help to arrive, or or (c) leave the car? Will someone be looking for you?
Can you contact others by cell phone, or two way radio? Is the car drivable?
Are the roads passable? Should you keep driving, hunker down and wait for
help, or get out and hoof it?


3. In either of these choicec, what is your course?
Sketch a plan. Divide the plan by setting goals like
landmarks. Go for one goal at a time. Make a mental list of alternatives.
Supposing the next bridge is out? Can you go left or right to change your
route?

In preparing to leave your car, gather your gear.
Check clothing and SHOES . Don't be in a hurry to hit
the road. You'll waste time and energy if you need to
return to your car for a forgotten item.

It may be wise to eat and drink before leaving or as
you set out. You have your supplies; snack and drink
frequently. This gives you extra time to think if
needed. Don't start out with a hunger or thirst
disadvantage. Your supplies may contain a meal that
is heavy or bulky. This is a good time to consume
that meal; there will be less weight to carry.

Before you have a problem, mentally explore multiple
ways to get home. Note bridges, overpasses, rivers,
bad neighborhoods etc., and take the course of least
resistance. "Never step on what you can step over,
never go over what you can go around, never climb up
what you can walk around". (Daniel Boone?)

Set a comfortable walking pace, slow down to baby
steps if necessary to climb or descend steep grades.
If your feet hurt, or you get a warm sensation
somewhere on the feet, STOP! Fix this problem before
you get a blister .

Remind yourself it could be worse, count your
blessings, stay calm. You must help yourself first
before you are fully capable helping family, friends
and others. For example, in an aircraft if the oxygen
masks drop, calmly put it on and start it. Then help
others put theirs on.

Stay on Yellow Alert; don't allow yourself to be
surprised by anything or anyone. Act confident and
look confident. This helps ward off predators.
Statistics show that would-be muggers avoid people
that walk purposefully and are aware of surroundings.

By the time you reach the first goal, a phone for
instance, hopefully the situation has improved.


Other possible first goals might be:

Someone is contacted to pick you up

Public transportation is running

Check into a motel or shelter

If your first goal is not met, go to the second goal
and keep walking .

Ten miles is a good hike, fifteen is a power hike. If
you're home is further than that, shelter becomes an
issue. This is a widely variable problem and not
easily addressed here. Bare minimum shelter is a Space
Bag or Space Blanket which keeps in your body heat and
weather out. Improvise if you can't make it home in
one day's walk.

Having emergency gear in your vehicle, having planned
ahead and by setting goals, you will greatly ease your
journey to get home.


GENERAL TIPS

TIP 1: Make friends along the way that you commute.
Is there someone you work with? Go to school with? Go
to church with? Make a note of their address and
phone number; they will be more willing to help than a
stranger.

TIP 2: If Goal Number One is a pay phone, call
someone and tell him or her your situation and plan.
In disasters, phone lines are often jammed with
incoming calls to stricken areas. This can prevent
local calls, but you can frequently call long
distance. Have an out-of-the-area emergency contact,
a friend or relative a hundred or more miles away, who
can relay vital information. Tell your family who
your emergency contact is before disaster strikes.
Consider a prepaid phone card.

TIP 3: The next time you are about to wear those old
reliable walking shoes or boots, stow them in your car
before they are worn out; make them your emergency
pair. They are already broken in, you know them and
they know your feet. If walking is required, you can
choose between what you're wearing and "old reliable".


TIP 4: Snack or drink when you feel the need. Don't
let yourself become run down from the effort.
Snacking provides a distraction from your chore, it
prepares your body ahead of an unforeseen exertion.
Stay on Yellow Alert.

TIP 5: If you don't walk or hike much, make time to
practice a portion of your route to get the feel for
it. Check out books on hiking; look for some that
explain walking techniques.

TIP 6: Do not allow your feet to blister! I can't
stress this enough. Buy sock liners, thin silk or
synthetic socks that go on under your regular socks.
You may also want to try a high performance sock for
walking, such as Ultra's. Check specialty stores like
Athlete??™s Foot or Paddy Pallin??™s.

If you suspect a blister developing.
Stop, remove your shoes and socks.
Inspect your foot, inspect you shoes.
Have moleskin in your kit and apply it to the
red-warm-inflamed areas.
When treated, and your foot is cool again, put on both
pairs of socks and then the shoes. Pay attention to
your feet!

TIP 7: Normally your last resort is walking home. If
another solution is workable or safer, opt for it.
Pray to make good decisions.


SUPPLIES FOR YOUR VEHICLE

Bug Spray or Lotion

First Aid Book

First Aid Kit with Moleskin, including prescription
medications

Foot Powder Lip balm, like Chapstick or Blistex

Sunscreen

Large Bottle of Mouthwash - according to Ted Wright of
"Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual",
mouthwash can be used for: mouthwash antiseptic saves
water when cleaning teeth soother for tired feet
underarm freshener washing minor cuts and wounds

Can Opener

Food: ready-to-eat, requiring no preparation; choose
individual serving sizes and snacks for on-the-go

Disposable Eating Utensils: plastic knife, fork and
spoon, if needed, depending on food choices

Plastic Cup Water, and/or Water Filter with a
container
Personal Hygiene Items

Premoistened Disposable Towelettes

Toilet Paper, folded and in a baggie

Trash Bags for hygiene purposes, small-size

Book

Cash: coins and small bills, enough for a motel room
or tow service

Knife

Map

Pencil/Pen Paper

Additional Clothing to suit seasonal needs such as
gloves, sweat suit, hat or windbreaker

Adhesive Reflector Tape (to be applied to your coat
and shoes if you have to walk at night)

Comfortable Shoes or Boots, extra socks and sock
liners, extra underwear

Disposable Face Masks

Extra Coat, jacket, or sweater. Waterproof may be a
wise choice

Sunglasses

Trash Bags for warmth or waterproofing, large and
heavy duty

Work Gloves


Backpack for carrying essentials if walking becomes
necessary

Candle, emergency type in its own shielded container

Duct Tape (it has a thousand uses!)

Fire Extinguisher

Pocket Lighter like BIC

Flashlight and Extra Batteries (metal flashlights can
double as weapon)

Heavy-duty Blanket or Sleeping Bag

Space Blanket or Space Bag

Tools: Auto repair items, belts, hoses, clamps, rubber
hose for siphoning, folding shovel, crow bar

Walkman type AM/FM radio and Extra Batteries

Whistle

The above items are minimums. You may also want to
consider the items on the list below. Customize to
suit your needs.

Cellular Phone and/or CB Radio

Cord, nylon that is thin, light and strong

Extra gasoline Can or gas in a DOT approved can

Reflectors, and/or Emergency Signs

Heat Source, Hand Warmer, MRE Heater

Weapon - personal choice item, and governed
differently everywhere.


TIPS FOR YOUR SUPPLIES

TIP 8: Always keep the fuel tank at least half full.
In areas of ice and snow, a full tank will provide
extra traction.

TIP 9: Be aware of temperature extremes in
automobiles. If an item has a shelf life, wide
temperature variations will hasten its deterioration.

Replace medications very frequently. Check with your
physician or pharmacist if your prescriptions, as well
as nonprescription items, are heat or cold vulnerable.


Replace your food supplies. I recommend hiking bars
you can eat and replace frequently. MREs, nuts, high
calorie bars, etc. are also good.

Replace batteries more frequently.

TIP 10: Water is heavy and bulky. It will constitute
the largest amount of weight allocated to supplies.
Check into filtration. Filter straws are available
that can generate 48 litres of drinkable water from a
20 litre mud puddle.

TIP 11: For convenience, you can store parts of your
kit in different areas of your automobile. Food can
be protected in the trunk in an ammo can or Tupperware
container.

TIP 12: A good knife is useful. Utility knives from the hardware store
are inexpensive, and useful.

TIP 13: Layer clothing for added warmth.

TIP 14: If you must walk, watch weight and bulk of
your gear. I travel very light. I love my torso
pack. All the weight is on your hips and your back
won't sweat. This is the area where the more money
spent on quality pays off in the end. Be picky about
your Pack! Consider something with wheels. Like the folding carts that
elderly people use to bring home two bags of groceries.

TIP 15: If you have chosen to stay in you car, be
aware of carbon monoxide poisoning. If you must run
the engine to keep from freezing, remember to crack a
window.

Best wishes and good luck.

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

i wonder what exactly this idiot would advise if say a dirty bomb was
detonated in the middle of LA on a weekday afternoon?

with the increasingly aggressive attacks on (mainly Muslim) sovereign
states, perpetrated by the US, and its lap dog the uk, in pursuit of purely
economic aims, it does seem likely that dirty bomb attacks by any one of
many terror groups, are certainly on the cards in the very near future!
"Gunner" wrote in message
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:04:29 -0500, "Stormin Mormon"
wrote:



COMMUTER PREPAREDNESS

Picture the following scenario: Driving home in the
twilight from work, you're tired after the day's
pressures. Instead of concentrating on the road, you
are lost in thought about tonight's plans. Suddenly
there is a problem with the suspension in your car.
It feels odd and worsens rapidly. You get hit between
the eyes with a sudden, horrible realization that it's
not the car; it's an earthquake!

Everyone pulls over in alarm. The situation is
further complicated as you discover that the bridge
ahead has collapsed. Seen in your rear view mirror,
the overpass is a pile of rubble across the freeway.
Your goal is still the same, getting home.

I never want to be required to
follow through with my plans and I hope it never
happens to you. An emergency while traveling could be
many things; fill in the disaster "blank" for what you
are most likely to face in your area. Whether it be
floods, bushfires, earthquake in most places, tsunamis
on the coasts or even a flat tire can give you reason
to be thankful you planned ahead.

General Advice

Assume whatever "it" is, has just happened. Are you
safe? Do you need to move?

First, do CAPS (as in put on your thinking CAPS):

Calm down
Assess the situation
PRAY.
Set your course of action.

Mentally, go on Yellow Alert*, Red Alert** if you
must, depending on the situation. Forget unassociated
problems; concentrate on the difficulty at hand.
Relax and remember, it could be worse. Think
positively. You will get home safe and sound, this
event will fade and life will move on. Don't allow
yourself to be distracted from your goal of getting
home safely.

Yellow and Red Alerts are from Frank Cuccioni's
Tactical Response System.

*Yellow Alert is anticipating problems, observing your
environment, looking people in the eye as you pass
them. Avoid all trouble.


**Red Alert is handling trouble you can not avoid.



You'll have several decisions to make:

1. Should you be more, or less,
visible? (If possible). To hide or remain
visible... This depends on your unique situation;
follow your intuition. Being in sight helps someone
who may look for you know more about your situation.
Being out of sight may protect you and your property. Should you be on
the
main roads, or try to sneak home out of sight by back roads?


2. Should you try to (a) get home by driving, (b) wait with the car for
help to arrive, or or (c) leave the car? Will someone be looking for
you?
Can you contact others by cell phone, or two way radio? Is the car
drivable?
Are the roads passable? Should you keep driving, hunker down and wait for
help, or get out and hoof it?


3. In either of these choicec, what is your course?
Sketch a plan. Divide the plan by setting goals like
landmarks. Go for one goal at a time. Make a mental list of
alternatives.
Supposing the next bridge is out? Can you go left or right to change your
route?

In preparing to leave your car, gather your gear.
Check clothing and SHOES . Don't be in a hurry to hit
the road. You'll waste time and energy if you need to
return to your car for a forgotten item.

It may be wise to eat and drink before leaving or as
you set out. You have your supplies; snack and drink
frequently. This gives you extra time to think if
needed. Don't start out with a hunger or thirst
disadvantage. Your supplies may contain a meal that
is heavy or bulky. This is a good time to consume
that meal; there will be less weight to carry.

Before you have a problem, mentally explore multiple
ways to get home. Note bridges, overpasses, rivers,
bad neighborhoods etc., and take the course of least
resistance. "Never step on what you can step over,
never go over what you can go around, never climb up
what you can walk around". (Daniel Boone?)

Set a comfortable walking pace, slow down to baby
steps if necessary to climb or descend steep grades.
If your feet hurt, or you get a warm sensation
somewhere on the feet, STOP! Fix this problem before
you get a blister .

Remind yourself it could be worse, count your
blessings, stay calm. You must help yourself first
before you are fully capable helping family, friends
and others. For example, in an aircraft if the oxygen
masks drop, calmly put it on and start it. Then help
others put theirs on.

Stay on Yellow Alert; don't allow yourself to be
surprised by anything or anyone. Act confident and
look confident. This helps ward off predators.
Statistics show that would-be muggers avoid people
that walk purposefully and are aware of surroundings.

By the time you reach the first goal, a phone for
instance, hopefully the situation has improved.


Other possible first goals might be:

Someone is contacted to pick you up

Public transportation is running

Check into a motel or shelter

If your first goal is not met, go to the second goal
and keep walking .

Ten miles is a good hike, fifteen is a power hike. If
you're home is further than that, shelter becomes an
issue. This is a widely variable problem and not
easily addressed here. Bare minimum shelter is a Space
Bag or Space Blanket which keeps in your body heat and
weather out. Improvise if you can't make it home in
one day's walk.

Having emergency gear in your vehicle, having planned
ahead and by setting goals, you will greatly ease your
journey to get home.


GENERAL TIPS

TIP 1: Make friends along the way that you commute.
Is there someone you work with? Go to school with? Go
to church with? Make a note of their address and
phone number; they will be more willing to help than a
stranger.

TIP 2: If Goal Number One is a pay phone, call
someone and tell him or her your situation and plan.
In disasters, phone lines are often jammed with
incoming calls to stricken areas. This can prevent
local calls, but you can frequently call long
distance. Have an out-of-the-area emergency contact,
a friend or relative a hundred or more miles away, who
can relay vital information. Tell your family who
your emergency contact is before disaster strikes.
Consider a prepaid phone card.

TIP 3: The next time you are about to wear those old
reliable walking shoes or boots, stow them in your car
before they are worn out; make them your emergency
pair. They are already broken in, you know them and
they know your feet. If walking is required, you can
choose between what you're wearing and "old reliable".


TIP 4: Snack or drink when you feel the need. Don't
let yourself become run down from the effort.
Snacking provides a distraction from your chore, it
prepares your body ahead of an unforeseen exertion.
Stay on Yellow Alert.

TIP 5: If you don't walk or hike much, make time to
practice a portion of your route to get the feel for
it. Check out books on hiking; look for some that
explain walking techniques.

TIP 6: Do not allow your feet to blister! I can't
stress this enough. Buy sock liners, thin silk or
synthetic socks that go on under your regular socks.
You may also want to try a high performance sock for
walking, such as Ultra's. Check specialty stores like
Athlete??Ts Foot or Paddy Pallin??Ts.

If you suspect a blister developing.
Stop, remove your shoes and socks.
Inspect your foot, inspect you shoes.
Have moleskin in your kit and apply it to the
red-warm-inflamed areas.
When treated, and your foot is cool again, put on both
pairs of socks and then the shoes. Pay attention to
your feet!

TIP 7: Normally your last resort is walking home. If
another solution is workable or safer, opt for it.
Pray to make good decisions.


SUPPLIES FOR YOUR VEHICLE

Bug Spray or Lotion

First Aid Book

First Aid Kit with Moleskin, including prescription
medications

Foot Powder Lip balm, like Chapstick or Blistex

Sunscreen

Large Bottle of Mouthwash - according to Ted Wright of
"Wright's Complete Disaster Survival Manual",
mouthwash can be used for: mouthwash antiseptic saves
water when cleaning teeth soother for tired feet
underarm freshener washing minor cuts and wounds

Can Opener

Food: ready-to-eat, requiring no preparation; choose
individual serving sizes and snacks for on-the-go

Disposable Eating Utensils: plastic knife, fork and
spoon, if needed, depending on food choices

Plastic Cup Water, and/or Water Filter with a
container
Personal Hygiene Items

Premoistened Disposable Towelettes

Toilet Paper, folded and in a baggie

Trash Bags for hygiene purposes, small-size

Book

Cash: coins and small bills, enough for a motel room
or tow service

Knife

Map

Pencil/Pen Paper

Additional Clothing to suit seasonal needs such as
gloves, sweat suit, hat or windbreaker

Adhesive Reflector Tape (to be applied to your coat
and shoes if you have to walk at night)

Comfortable Shoes or Boots, extra socks and sock
liners, extra underwear

Disposable Face Masks

Extra Coat, jacket, or sweater. Waterproof may be a
wise choice

Sunglasses

Trash Bags for warmth or waterproofing, large and
heavy duty

Work Gloves


Backpack for carrying essentials if walking becomes
necessary

Candle, emergency type in its own shielded container

Duct Tape (it has a thousand uses!)

Fire Extinguisher

Pocket Lighter like BIC

Flashlight and Extra Batteries (metal flashlights can
double as weapon)

Heavy-duty Blanket or Sleeping Bag

Space Blanket or Space Bag

Tools: Auto repair items, belts, hoses, clamps, rubber
hose for siphoning, folding shovel, crow bar

Walkman type AM/FM radio and Extra Batteries

Whistle

The above items are minimums. You may also want to
consider the items on the list below. Customize to
suit your needs.

Cellular Phone and/or CB Radio

Cord, nylon that is thin, light and strong

Extra gasoline Can or gas in a DOT approved can

Reflectors, and/or Emergency Signs

Heat Source, Hand Warmer, MRE Heater

Weapon - personal choice item, and governed
differently everywhere.


TIPS FOR YOUR SUPPLIES

TIP 8: Always keep the fuel tank at least half full.
In areas of ice and snow, a full tank will provide
extra traction.

TIP 9: Be aware of temperature extremes in
automobiles. If an item has a shelf life, wide
temperature variations will hasten its deterioration.

Replace medications very frequently. Check with your
physician or pharmacist if your prescriptions, as well
as nonprescription items, are heat or cold vulnerable.


Replace your food supplies. I recommend hiking bars
you can eat and replace frequently. MREs, nuts, high
calorie bars, etc. are also good.

Replace batteries more frequently.

TIP 10: Water is heavy and bulky. It will constitute
the largest amount of weight allocated to supplies.
Check into filtration. Filter straws are available
that can generate 48 litres of drinkable water from a
20 litre mud puddle.

TIP 11: For convenience, you can store parts of your
kit in different areas of your automobile. Food can
be protected in the trunk in an ammo can or Tupperware
container.

TIP 12: A good knife is useful. Utility knives from the hardware store
are inexpensive, and useful.

TIP 13: Layer clothing for added warmth.

TIP 14: If you must walk, watch weight and bulk of
your gear. I travel very light. I love my torso
pack. All the weight is on your hips and your back
won't sweat. This is the area where the more money
spent on quality pays off in the end. Be picky about
your Pack! Consider something with wheels. Like the folding carts that
elderly people use to bring home two bags of groceries.

TIP 15: If you have chosen to stay in you car, be
aware of carbon monoxide poisoning. If you must run
the engine to keep from freezing, remember to crack a
window.

Best wishes and good luck.

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:21 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

You really ARE an ignorant **** arnt you?


i wonder what exactly this idiot would advise if say a dirty bomb was
detonated in the middle of LA on a weekday afternoon?

Well, lets see.... lets look at the possibilities. The two most
important things to know, was it an air burst or a ground burst? And
are you upwind or downwind?

First of all, unless you have your Mr. Geiger Counter on your belt and
turned on..you are gonna know about the same time as everyone else
learns that it was a dirty bomb, not your average plain jane bombing.
This could be 20 minutes to the next day, depending on how good the
authorities are and how much they want to prevent panic.

A dirty bomb is a conventional explosive wrapped with radioactive
material, medical materials, reactor waste, etc etc. Its highly
unlikely to be ground into a fine powder as most of the suitable
materials will be solid metallic materials. But for the sake of
argument, lets say our tangos managed to grind it up into a powder...
This stuff will have some weight to it. In fact, it will be heavy as
hell.

Air burst will spread it a short distance, depending on how high it
was detonated. With an explosive core of something like RDX, we can
expect some dust to be generated, but even the dust will be heavy and
settle out very quickly. Ground burst will spread it over a very
small area, and Id have to make a best guess of less than a few city
block footprint, even with a huge amount of explosives.

So lets take best case sceanario here....

If you are upwind and more than a few blocks away..leave the area, go
home and turn on the tube and watch the festivities with a cold beer.

Worst case scenario:
Mustapha has told you that in 2 minutes he will detonate a dirty bomb,
so when you hear the bang upwind..you will know what it was.

First thing you do is get under something in case pieces of the truck,
car, airplane don't kill you on the way back to earth from the
intitial explosion. While ducking for cover, use your shirt to cover
your mouth and nose. Several layers of tight woven material wetted
down is best. Dont have any water handy? **** works just fine. And
its sterile, though it might not smell great. Shrug

Standard dust control practice, Got a painters mask handy? It will
work just fine. If you are down wind, walk perpendicular to the wind,
so you are walking out of the foot print of the dust fallout. Soon as
you are a few blocks away..find the nearest source of running water
you can, and hose yourself off really well. Go home. Take off your
clothes outside the front door. Then take a hot soapy shower make a
real point to wash hair well, grab a beer, and watch the festivities
on the tv.

If you are driving, turn off your AC, close the windows and all vents.
Cover mouth and nose with fabric, drive out of the area. Go home,
hose off vehicle really well, go inside, take hot soapy shower, wash
hair really well, grab beer, watch the tv. Dont get back into the car
until its been check for hot spots. If you have any pets outside,
wrap them in a sheet, carry them into the shower and soap and wash
them well. Put the now wet sheet into a plastic bag along with your
clothes, and toss them outside, along with the towels etc. All you
need to do is keep the dust down and out of your house as much as
possible.

There will be few if any deaths from the radiologicals of a dirty
bomb, unless they are handling debris in the immediate area. The blast
is of more immediate danger.

The use of a dirty bomb is for two reasons. Terror. Area denial.

A few dozen firetrucks with foam in the hoses will pretty well
decontaminate (flush it into the storm drains) the debris from such a
bomb. The fallout foot print will be pretty small and the amounts of
high dosage radiologicals will be pretty small, and it wont go very
far due to its weight. Such a weapon is best used where a lot of
people are gathered, or in an area you wish to force its closure for a
week or two. Sporting event, downtown street parade, a school, for
example.

The radiologicals used in dirty bombs will have long half lives and
hence are not very energetic. Remember they are made from materials
handled regularly by medical workers (cesium, etc ) or spent fuel
rods. Its not like they are going to be short half life radiologicals
generated in a nuke blast.

I should mention,,that if your home is in the footprint and you are
away from it..dont go there. Go visit a friend, rent a motel room
(quickly..they will be filled up with evacuies very quickly)

If you are home and in the footprint, close all doors and windows.
Close the flue in your fireplace. Grab a beer and watch the tv. If you
absolutly have to flee, make sure your commuter or bug out bag is in
the trunk of your car..oh..I forgot..you think thats bull****...never
mind. If you have to evac, follow the above, cover mouth and nose,
evac to outside the foot print, flush with lots of water, shower well
and wash hair well, etc etc.

with the increasingly aggressive attacks on (mainly Muslim) sovereign
states, perpetrated by the US, and its lap dog the uk, in pursuit of purely
economic aims, it does seem likely that dirty bomb attacks by any one of
many terror groups, are certainly on the cards in the very near future!

Gee. Then perhaps its best if you did pay attention to getting a
commuters bag..or as we call it..a BOB (bug out bag) handy.

But then..you evidently expect to die like a cow at a slaughter
house, so dont bother. Step outside, smoke a cigar, take deep breaths,
scream invective at the Republicans (and all the Liberals who voted to
go after Al Quida, Bill Clinton for gutting the HUMINT budgets) etc
etc.

Me, Ill take the few steps necessary to survive the event in comfort.
There are a few things you cannot provide for..such as an extinction
event asteroid, etc etc....but hey..whatever floats your boat. And you
can blame it on Bush when that big rock comes screaming in at a couple
hundred kilometers a second.

With luck, you will be within a hundred yards of the dirty bomb blast
and the Ryder truck differential will be blown though your windshield,
breaking your spine crushing your chest and belly, and you get to die
slowly while sucking in lots and lots of dust.

Ill enjoy watching you die slowly on TV, in glorious living color,
while drinking a cold soda and chuckling at your agony. You wont even
have a gun handy to finish yourself off with before the pain gets to
bad. Hummm maybe you can open a vein and bleed out before the agony of
the ruptured spleen and intestinal sack and the shattered spine gets
too bad. But then...with luck it will be a high break in your
vertibrae, and you will be paralized and cant even chew a hole in your
own wrist....

Chortle...


Any other questions about surviving Bad Things, asshole?

Gunner



"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

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sad thing is that if the US hadnt opted to follow a foreign policy agenda
that Hitler could have thought up, there would certainly be little need to
have any worries about the almost 100% chance that future terror attacks
are likely to far more sophisicated and well planned than 9/11!

the fact that the US "intelligence" services gave up the investigation of
the antrax mail attacks, after finding that the material used originated
from the US military, suggests to me that anyone in the US concerned about
terror attacks should have good reason to be worried!

finally we have the obvious fact that the major effects of a dirty bomb, are
well documented, as the US/uk have already illegally used many tons of
enhanced munitions on several countrys in recent attacks in the "war on
terror"!



"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:21 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

You really ARE an ignorant **** arnt you?


i wonder what exactly this idiot would advise if say a dirty bomb was
detonated in the middle of LA on a weekday afternoon?

Well, lets see.... lets look at the possibilities. The two most
important things to know, was it an air burst or a ground burst? And
are you upwind or downwind?

First of all, unless you have your Mr. Geiger Counter on your belt and
turned on..you are gonna know about the same time as everyone else
learns that it was a dirty bomb, not your average plain jane bombing.
This could be 20 minutes to the next day, depending on how good the
authorities are and how much they want to prevent panic.

A dirty bomb is a conventional explosive wrapped with radioactive
material, medical materials, reactor waste, etc etc. Its highly
unlikely to be ground into a fine powder as most of the suitable
materials will be solid metallic materials. But for the sake of
argument, lets say our tangos managed to grind it up into a powder...
This stuff will have some weight to it. In fact, it will be heavy as
hell.

Air burst will spread it a short distance, depending on how high it
was detonated. With an explosive core of something like RDX, we can
expect some dust to be generated, but even the dust will be heavy and
settle out very quickly. Ground burst will spread it over a very
small area, and Id have to make a best guess of less than a few city
block footprint, even with a huge amount of explosives.

So lets take best case sceanario here....

If you are upwind and more than a few blocks away..leave the area, go
home and turn on the tube and watch the festivities with a cold beer.

Worst case scenario:
Mustapha has told you that in 2 minutes he will detonate a dirty bomb,
so when you hear the bang upwind..you will know what it was.

First thing you do is get under something in case pieces of the truck,
car, airplane don't kill you on the way back to earth from the
intitial explosion. While ducking for cover, use your shirt to cover
your mouth and nose. Several layers of tight woven material wetted
down is best. Dont have any water handy? **** works just fine. And
its sterile, though it might not smell great. Shrug

Standard dust control practice, Got a painters mask handy? It will
work just fine. If you are down wind, walk perpendicular to the wind,
so you are walking out of the foot print of the dust fallout. Soon as
you are a few blocks away..find the nearest source of running water
you can, and hose yourself off really well. Go home. Take off your
clothes outside the front door. Then take a hot soapy shower make a
real point to wash hair well, grab a beer, and watch the festivities
on the tv.

If you are driving, turn off your AC, close the windows and all vents.
Cover mouth and nose with fabric, drive out of the area. Go home,
hose off vehicle really well, go inside, take hot soapy shower, wash
hair really well, grab beer, watch the tv. Dont get back into the car
until its been check for hot spots. If you have any pets outside,
wrap them in a sheet, carry them into the shower and soap and wash
them well. Put the now wet sheet into a plastic bag along with your
clothes, and toss them outside, along with the towels etc. All you
need to do is keep the dust down and out of your house as much as
possible.

There will be few if any deaths from the radiologicals of a dirty
bomb, unless they are handling debris in the immediate area. The blast
is of more immediate danger.

The use of a dirty bomb is for two reasons. Terror. Area denial.

A few dozen firetrucks with foam in the hoses will pretty well
decontaminate (flush it into the storm drains) the debris from such a
bomb. The fallout foot print will be pretty small and the amounts of
high dosage radiologicals will be pretty small, and it wont go very
far due to its weight. Such a weapon is best used where a lot of
people are gathered, or in an area you wish to force its closure for a
week or two. Sporting event, downtown street parade, a school, for
example.

The radiologicals used in dirty bombs will have long half lives and
hence are not very energetic. Remember they are made from materials
handled regularly by medical workers (cesium, etc ) or spent fuel
rods. Its not like they are going to be short half life radiologicals
generated in a nuke blast.

I should mention,,that if your home is in the footprint and you are
away from it..dont go there. Go visit a friend, rent a motel room
(quickly..they will be filled up with evacuies very quickly)

If you are home and in the footprint, close all doors and windows.
Close the flue in your fireplace. Grab a beer and watch the tv. If you
absolutly have to flee, make sure your commuter or bug out bag is in
the trunk of your car..oh..I forgot..you think thats bull****...never
mind. If you have to evac, follow the above, cover mouth and nose,
evac to outside the foot print, flush with lots of water, shower well
and wash hair well, etc etc.

with the increasingly aggressive attacks on (mainly Muslim) sovereign
states, perpetrated by the US, and its lap dog the uk, in pursuit of
purely
economic aims, it does seem likely that dirty bomb attacks by any one of
many terror groups, are certainly on the cards in the very near future!

Gee. Then perhaps its best if you did pay attention to getting a
commuters bag..or as we call it..a BOB (bug out bag) handy.

But then..you evidently expect to die like a cow at a slaughter
house, so dont bother. Step outside, smoke a cigar, take deep breaths,
scream invective at the Republicans (and all the Liberals who voted to
go after Al Quida, Bill Clinton for gutting the HUMINT budgets) etc
etc.

Me, Ill take the few steps necessary to survive the event in comfort.
There are a few things you cannot provide for..such as an extinction
event asteroid, etc etc....but hey..whatever floats your boat. And you
can blame it on Bush when that big rock comes screaming in at a couple
hundred kilometers a second.

With luck, you will be within a hundred yards of the dirty bomb blast
and the Ryder truck differential will be blown though your windshield,
breaking your spine crushing your chest and belly, and you get to die
slowly while sucking in lots and lots of dust.

Ill enjoy watching you die slowly on TV, in glorious living color,
while drinking a cold soda and chuckling at your agony. You wont even
have a gun handy to finish yourself off with before the pain gets to
bad. Hummm maybe you can open a vein and bleed out before the agony of
the ruptured spleen and intestinal sack and the shattered spine gets
too bad. But then...with luck it will be a high break in your
vertibrae, and you will be paralized and cant even chew a hole in your
own wrist....

Chortle...


Any other questions about surviving Bad Things, asshole?

Gunner



"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

might be interesting to get the views of the friends and familys of the
55,000 people in Iraq, that have died as a direct result of 9/11?
"JB" wrote in message
...

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:54:15 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

sad thing is that if the US hadnt opted to follow a foreign policy agenda
that Hitler could have thought up, there would certainly be little need to
have any worries about the almost 100% chance that future terror attacks
are likely to far more sophisicated and well planned than 9/11!

Mention that to Tim McVeigh when you see him.

the fact that the US "intelligence" services gave up the investigation of
the antrax mail attacks, after finding that the material used originated
from the US military, suggests to me that anyone in the US concerned about
terror attacks should have good reason to be worried!

Have they given up? Cites?

finally we have the obvious fact that the major effects of a dirty bomb, are
well documented, as the US/uk have already illegally used many tons of
enhanced munitions on several countrys in recent attacks in the "war on
terror"!

And the results are? Do be precise, use as much paper as necessary in
your expose on DU weapons.

One should note..that any tango worth his dinars would not bother
using DU as the dirty component.

I notice that once again you spew, then ignore the contents of the
response. Cat got your tounge? Or are you simply a ****mire?

Or..are you brain dead?

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner




"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:21 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

You really ARE an ignorant **** arnt you?


i wonder what exactly this idiot would advise if say a dirty bomb was
detonated in the middle of LA on a weekday afternoon?

Well, lets see.... lets look at the possibilities. The two most
important things to know, was it an air burst or a ground burst? And
are you upwind or downwind?

First of all, unless you have your Mr. Geiger Counter on your belt and
turned on..you are gonna know about the same time as everyone else
learns that it was a dirty bomb, not your average plain jane bombing.
This could be 20 minutes to the next day, depending on how good the
authorities are and how much they want to prevent panic.

A dirty bomb is a conventional explosive wrapped with radioactive
material, medical materials, reactor waste, etc etc. Its highly
unlikely to be ground into a fine powder as most of the suitable
materials will be solid metallic materials. But for the sake of
argument, lets say our tangos managed to grind it up into a powder...
This stuff will have some weight to it. In fact, it will be heavy as
hell.

Air burst will spread it a short distance, depending on how high it
was detonated. With an explosive core of something like RDX, we can
expect some dust to be generated, but even the dust will be heavy and
settle out very quickly. Ground burst will spread it over a very
small area, and Id have to make a best guess of less than a few city
block footprint, even with a huge amount of explosives.

So lets take best case sceanario here....

If you are upwind and more than a few blocks away..leave the area, go
home and turn on the tube and watch the festivities with a cold beer.

Worst case scenario:
Mustapha has told you that in 2 minutes he will detonate a dirty bomb,
so when you hear the bang upwind..you will know what it was.

First thing you do is get under something in case pieces of the truck,
car, airplane don't kill you on the way back to earth from the
intitial explosion. While ducking for cover, use your shirt to cover
your mouth and nose. Several layers of tight woven material wetted
down is best. Dont have any water handy? **** works just fine. And
its sterile, though it might not smell great. Shrug

Standard dust control practice, Got a painters mask handy? It will
work just fine. If you are down wind, walk perpendicular to the wind,
so you are walking out of the foot print of the dust fallout. Soon as
you are a few blocks away..find the nearest source of running water
you can, and hose yourself off really well. Go home. Take off your
clothes outside the front door. Then take a hot soapy shower make a
real point to wash hair well, grab a beer, and watch the festivities
on the tv.

If you are driving, turn off your AC, close the windows and all vents.
Cover mouth and nose with fabric, drive out of the area. Go home,
hose off vehicle really well, go inside, take hot soapy shower, wash
hair really well, grab beer, watch the tv. Dont get back into the car
until its been check for hot spots. If you have any pets outside,
wrap them in a sheet, carry them into the shower and soap and wash
them well. Put the now wet sheet into a plastic bag along with your
clothes, and toss them outside, along with the towels etc. All you
need to do is keep the dust down and out of your house as much as
possible.

There will be few if any deaths from the radiologicals of a dirty
bomb, unless they are handling debris in the immediate area. The blast
is of more immediate danger.

The use of a dirty bomb is for two reasons. Terror. Area denial.

A few dozen firetrucks with foam in the hoses will pretty well
decontaminate (flush it into the storm drains) the debris from such a
bomb. The fallout foot print will be pretty small and the amounts of
high dosage radiologicals will be pretty small, and it wont go very
far due to its weight. Such a weapon is best used where a lot of
people are gathered, or in an area you wish to force its closure for a
week or two. Sporting event, downtown street parade, a school, for
example.

The radiologicals used in dirty bombs will have long half lives and
hence are not very energetic. Remember they are made from materials
handled regularly by medical workers (cesium, etc ) or spent fuel
rods. Its not like they are going to be short half life radiologicals
generated in a nuke blast.

I should mention,,that if your home is in the footprint and you are
away from it..dont go there. Go visit a friend, rent a motel room
(quickly..they will be filled up with evacuies very quickly)

If you are home and in the footprint, close all doors and windows.
Close the flue in your fireplace. Grab a beer and watch the tv. If you
absolutly have to flee, make sure your commuter or bug out bag is in
the trunk of your car..oh..I forgot..you think thats bull****...never
mind. If you have to evac, follow the above, cover mouth and nose,
evac to outside the foot print, flush with lots of water, shower well
and wash hair well, etc etc.

with the increasingly aggressive attacks on (mainly Muslim) sovereign
states, perpetrated by the US, and its lap dog the uk, in pursuit of
purely
economic aims, it does seem likely that dirty bomb attacks by any one of
many terror groups, are certainly on the cards in the very near future!

Gee. Then perhaps its best if you did pay attention to getting a
commuters bag..or as we call it..a BOB (bug out bag) handy.

But then..you evidently expect to die like a cow at a slaughter
house, so dont bother. Step outside, smoke a cigar, take deep breaths,
scream invective at the Republicans (and all the Liberals who voted to
go after Al Quida, Bill Clinton for gutting the HUMINT budgets) etc
etc.

Me, Ill take the few steps necessary to survive the event in comfort.
There are a few things you cannot provide for..such as an extinction
event asteroid, etc etc....but hey..whatever floats your boat. And you
can blame it on Bush when that big rock comes screaming in at a couple
hundred kilometers a second.

With luck, you will be within a hundred yards of the dirty bomb blast
and the Ryder truck differential will be blown though your windshield,
breaking your spine crushing your chest and belly, and you get to die
slowly while sucking in lots and lots of dust.

Ill enjoy watching you die slowly on TV, in glorious living color,
while drinking a cold soda and chuckling at your agony. You wont even
have a gun handy to finish yourself off with before the pain gets to
bad. Hummm maybe you can open a vein and bleed out before the agony of
the ruptured spleen and intestinal sack and the shattered spine gets
too bad. But then...with luck it will be a high break in your
vertibrae, and you will be paralized and cant even chew a hole in your
own wrist....

Chortle...


Any other questions about surviving Bad Things, asshole?

Gunner



"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"


"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

On 15 Mar 2004 05:32:47 -0800, jim rozen
wrote:

In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Indeed, every year there are many many cases of fires, floods, train
wrecks, hurricanes, earthquakes that suddenly put a serious crimp in
your plans for the day, and force you either shanks mare, or bugging
out from home or work.


How many people had to walk home from work last year when they had
that big assed power failure on the East coast? What if that had
happened in Febuary? No sleeping on the sidewalk then...

Gunner

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:47:19 GMT, "JB" wrote:


"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

Gee..I thought Ed said there were no such people? Humm or was that
another thread on sheeple....

Gunner

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 15:34:09 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

might be interesting to get the views of the friends and familys of the
55,000 people in Iraq, that have died as a direct result of 9/11?

I thought it was hundreds of thousands? Or are you modifying your spew
again?

Seek help.

Gunner.

"JB" wrote in message
...

"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.




"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:54:15 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

sad thing is that if the US hadnt opted to follow a foreign policy agenda
that Hitler could have thought up, there would certainly be little need
to
have any worries about the almost 100% chance that future terror attacks
are likely to far more sophisicated and well planned than 9/11!

Mention that to Tim McVeigh when you see him.

the fact that the US "intelligence" services gave up the investigation of
the antrax mail attacks, after finding that the material used originated
from the US military, suggests to me that anyone in the US concerned
about
terror attacks should have good reason to be worried!

Have they given up? Cites?

finally we have the obvious fact that the major effects of a dirty bomb,
are
well documented, as the US/uk have already illegally used many tons of
enhanced munitions on several countrys in recent attacks in the "war on
terror"!

And the results are? Do be precise, use as much paper as necessary in
your expose on DU weapons.

One should note..that any tango worth his dinars would not bother
using DU as the dirty component.

I notice that once again you spew, then ignore the contents of the
response. Cat got your tounge? Or are you simply a ****mire?

Or..are you brain dead?

Laugh laugh laugh

Gunner




"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:27:21 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

You really ARE an ignorant **** arnt you?


i wonder what exactly this idiot would advise if say a dirty bomb was
detonated in the middle of LA on a weekday afternoon?

Well, lets see.... lets look at the possibilities. The two most
important things to know, was it an air burst or a ground burst? And
are you upwind or downwind?

First of all, unless you have your Mr. Geiger Counter on your belt and
turned on..you are gonna know about the same time as everyone else
learns that it was a dirty bomb, not your average plain jane bombing.
This could be 20 minutes to the next day, depending on how good the
authorities are and how much they want to prevent panic.

A dirty bomb is a conventional explosive wrapped with radioactive
material, medical materials, reactor waste, etc etc. Its highly
unlikely to be ground into a fine powder as most of the suitable
materials will be solid metallic materials. But for the sake of
argument, lets say our tangos managed to grind it up into a powder...
This stuff will have some weight to it. In fact, it will be heavy as
hell.

Air burst will spread it a short distance, depending on how high it
was detonated. With an explosive core of something like RDX, we can
expect some dust to be generated, but even the dust will be heavy and
settle out very quickly. Ground burst will spread it over a very
small area, and Id have to make a best guess of less than a few city
block footprint, even with a huge amount of explosives.

So lets take best case sceanario here....

If you are upwind and more than a few blocks away..leave the area, go
home and turn on the tube and watch the festivities with a cold beer.

Worst case scenario:
Mustapha has told you that in 2 minutes he will detonate a dirty bomb,
so when you hear the bang upwind..you will know what it was.

First thing you do is get under something in case pieces of the truck,
car, airplane don't kill you on the way back to earth from the
intitial explosion. While ducking for cover, use your shirt to cover
your mouth and nose. Several layers of tight woven material wetted
down is best. Dont have any water handy? **** works just fine. And
its sterile, though it might not smell great. Shrug

Standard dust control practice, Got a painters mask handy? It will
work just fine. If you are down wind, walk perpendicular to the wind,
so you are walking out of the foot print of the dust fallout. Soon as
you are a few blocks away..find the nearest source of running water
you can, and hose yourself off really well. Go home. Take off your
clothes outside the front door. Then take a hot soapy shower make a
real point to wash hair well, grab a beer, and watch the festivities
on the tv.

If you are driving, turn off your AC, close the windows and all vents.
Cover mouth and nose with fabric, drive out of the area. Go home,
hose off vehicle really well, go inside, take hot soapy shower, wash
hair really well, grab beer, watch the tv. Dont get back into the car
until its been check for hot spots. If you have any pets outside,
wrap them in a sheet, carry them into the shower and soap and wash
them well. Put the now wet sheet into a plastic bag along with your
clothes, and toss them outside, along with the towels etc. All you
need to do is keep the dust down and out of your house as much as
possible.

There will be few if any deaths from the radiologicals of a dirty
bomb, unless they are handling debris in the immediate area. The blast
is of more immediate danger.

The use of a dirty bomb is for two reasons. Terror. Area denial.

A few dozen firetrucks with foam in the hoses will pretty well
decontaminate (flush it into the storm drains) the debris from such a
bomb. The fallout foot print will be pretty small and the amounts of
high dosage radiologicals will be pretty small, and it wont go very
far due to its weight. Such a weapon is best used where a lot of
people are gathered, or in an area you wish to force its closure for a
week or two. Sporting event, downtown street parade, a school, for
example.

The radiologicals used in dirty bombs will have long half lives and
hence are not very energetic. Remember they are made from materials
handled regularly by medical workers (cesium, etc ) or spent fuel
rods. Its not like they are going to be short half life radiologicals
generated in a nuke blast.

I should mention,,that if your home is in the footprint and you are
away from it..dont go there. Go visit a friend, rent a motel room
(quickly..they will be filled up with evacuies very quickly)

If you are home and in the footprint, close all doors and windows.
Close the flue in your fireplace. Grab a beer and watch the tv. If you
absolutly have to flee, make sure your commuter or bug out bag is in
the trunk of your car..oh..I forgot..you think thats bull****...never
mind. If you have to evac, follow the above, cover mouth and nose,
evac to outside the foot print, flush with lots of water, shower well
and wash hair well, etc etc.

with the increasingly aggressive attacks on (mainly Muslim) sovereign
states, perpetrated by the US, and its lap dog the uk, in pursuit of
purely
economic aims, it does seem likely that dirty bomb attacks by any one
of
many terror groups, are certainly on the cards in the very near
future!

Gee. Then perhaps its best if you did pay attention to getting a
commuters bag..or as we call it..a BOB (bug out bag) handy.

But then..you evidently expect to die like a cow at a slaughter
house, so dont bother. Step outside, smoke a cigar, take deep breaths,
scream invective at the Republicans (and all the Liberals who voted to
go after Al Quida, Bill Clinton for gutting the HUMINT budgets) etc
etc.

Me, Ill take the few steps necessary to survive the event in comfort.
There are a few things you cannot provide for..such as an extinction
event asteroid, etc etc....but hey..whatever floats your boat. And you
can blame it on Bush when that big rock comes screaming in at a couple
hundred kilometers a second.

With luck, you will be within a hundred yards of the dirty bomb blast
and the Ryder truck differential will be blown though your windshield,
breaking your spine crushing your chest and belly, and you get to die
slowly while sucking in lots and lots of dust.

Ill enjoy watching you die slowly on TV, in glorious living color,
while drinking a cold soda and chuckling at your agony. You wont even
have a gun handy to finish yourself off with before the pain gets to
bad. Hummm maybe you can open a vein and bleed out before the agony of
the ruptured spleen and intestinal sack and the shattered spine gets
too bad. But then...with luck it will be a high break in your
vertibrae, and you will be paralized and cant even chew a hole in your
own wrist....

Chortle...


Any other questions about surviving Bad Things, asshole?

Gunner



"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"


"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

amusing that an obvious "sheeple" uses this as a term of derision toward
others!

after all its pretty easy to cut and paste any amount of survivialist
nonsense, from the many sites catering to these would be rambo types!

but rather more difficult to think for yourself, and eschew the drivel
peddled by the corporate media, in lieu of anything much to do with the
truth............a true example of a sheeple indeed!
"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:47:19 GMT, "JB" wrote:


"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

Gee..I thought Ed said there were no such people? Humm or was that
another thread on sheeple....

Gunner

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

brain death wrote:


why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I figure it's because you are too stupid to figure out how to trim your
posts when replying and too ignorant to care.

"My Opinion" wrote in message
...
brain death wrote:


why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in
discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I figure it's because you are too stupid to figure out how to trim your
posts when replying and too ignorant to care.

ahhhhh another sub-epsilon who has advanced far enough to type...........lol

In article , Gunner says...

the fact that the US "intelligence" services gave up the investigation of
the anthrax mail attacks, after finding that the material used originated
from the US military, suggests to me that anyone in the US concerned about
terror attacks should have good reason to be worried!

Have they given up? (gunner)

OK, whacky conspiracy theory time.

The guy who worked for USAMRID got ahold of some of the
stuff, aerosolized it with silica nanopowder, and sealed it
in some envelopes. He probably did this in a bunny suit
because he did not leave any DNA evidence behind at all
on the tape, the paper, the stamps, or the envelopes.

He was trying to raise the conciousness of the administration
about how easy it would be to disburse agents like this.
Unfortunately he did not understand how mailing machinery
works. So the powder got out and killed some folks, which
was an unintended consequence.

The law enforcement folks probably realize all this, but
in the end, they would have a zinger of a time convicting
him, and it would all come out at trial exactly how this
was done, and how much of the government's own resources
were employed to do it. Like, paying this man a salary,
giving him access to the stuff, and providing the secure
facility that he used.

So that puts the US federal govenment on the hot seat
fair and square.

What to do?

Negotiate a settlement with this guy, we don't prosecute,
you don't ever do this again. His punishment: living
with the certain knowledge that he killed those folks.
No books, no movie deals, or you go to jail or the chair
for what you did.

Clamp the lid down on it all, supress all the real information,
because the public outcry would be huge if the details
of how this was done were to propogate.

(crazy rant mode off)

Jim

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On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 13:54:15 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

Good grief. Plonk. Gunner, by now I know you just entertain these
trolls for recreation, but to me they're a waste of my time.

By the way, I just fired up the new welder and struck an arc. Cool.
Time to draw up some carts and order some steel.

Pete Keillor

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I think you use the moniker when engaging in spittle ridden dreck with
anyone, as its descriptive of your few remaining failing neurons.

So once again..I ask, is there any other survival related questions
you wish to ask, asshole?

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

amusing that an obvious "sheeple" uses this as a term of derision toward
others!

after all its pretty easy to cut and paste any amount of survivialist
nonsense, from the many sites catering to these would be rambo types!

feel free to google for any matches to verify your claims of cut and
paste on a survival/safety related subject. I do take this sort of
thing rather seriously, and am something of a recognized figure on
various aspects of the genre. Shrug. You on the other hand are
simply in the maggot food catagory. With luck, you will not have
contributed to the gene pool before becoming a Darwin Event.

but rather more difficult to think for yourself, and eschew the drivel
peddled by the corporate media, in lieu of anything much to do with the
truth............a true example of a sheeple indeed!

Yawn. Wake me up when you get to the non cliche parts, ok?

Gunner


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:47:19 GMT, "JB" wrote:


"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c) communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

Gee..I thought Ed said there were no such people? Humm or was that
another thread on sheeple....

Gunner

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"



Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in
discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I think you use the moniker when engaging in spittle ridden dreck with
anyone, as its descriptive of your few remaining failing neurons.

So once again..I ask, is there any other survival related questions
you wish to ask, asshole?

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

i honestly wouldnt want to survive if the world was inhabited by a small
number of highly unpleasant idiots like yourself, and of course a larger
number of polititians and similiar scum, who would come crawling out of
their bunkers when danger was over!

and its pretty to easy to cut and paste any amount of survivilist drivel
into usenet postings, but perhaps rather more difficult to come up with any
ideas as to how to make the world a better place to live, without any need
for penis envy rambo drivel to be taken seriously!

most survivilists seem on the face of it to be pretty dim, sexual
inadequates, who have a lot of difficulty with personal relationships, and
in many cases are suffering from some kind of personality disorder!

i think our friend "gunner" fits into this description pretty
well.............however the "Unibomber" manifesto does suggest to me that
not all of his ilk are quite so painfully dim!



"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:25:23 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

amusing that an obvious "sheeple" uses this as a term of derision toward
others!

after all its pretty easy to cut and paste any amount of survivialist
nonsense, from the many sites catering to these would be rambo types!

feel free to google for any matches to verify your claims of cut and
paste on a survival/safety related subject. I do take this sort of
thing rather seriously, and am something of a recognized figure on
various aspects of the genre. Shrug. You on the other hand are
simply in the maggot food catagory. With luck, you will not have
contributed to the gene pool before becoming a Darwin Event.

but rather more difficult to think for yourself, and eschew the drivel
peddled by the corporate media, in lieu of anything much to do with the
truth............a true example of a sheeple indeed!

Yawn. Wake me up when you get to the non cliche parts, ok?

Gunner


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 14:47:19 GMT, "JB" wrote:


"jim rozen" wrote in message
...
In article , brain death says...

its sad that some misguided individuals take this sort of bull****
seriously.............

Well you could talk to the folks who were there when the
WTC fell down. I think the most important thing folks mentioned
was the need for a) good walking shoes, b) water and c)
communication
of some sort - cell phones being mostly out of service, but
landlines
still operable, and d) a place to go to the bathroom.

There were a lot of folks who walked home that day.

Having a plan before you set out does sort of make sense.

Jim

Your right Jim, it is nice to have a plan and guy's like gunner will
survive this, but think of the people that can be psyhologically
damged by such actions. Only a few people need to be killed
in order to shake these type of people. For example, look at all
the people interviewed after the WTC and the terror and guilt they
felt.

Gee..I thought Ed said there were no such people? Humm or was that
another thread on sheeple....

Gunner

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"



Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:24:59 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in
discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I think you use the moniker when engaging in spittle ridden dreck with
anyone, as its descriptive of your few remaining failing neurons.

So once again..I ask, is there any other survival related questions
you wish to ask, asshole?

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

i honestly wouldnt want to survive if the world was inhabited by a small
number of highly unpleasant idiots like yourself, and of course a larger
number of polititians and similiar scum, who would come crawling out of
their bunkers when danger was over!

and its pretty to easy to cut and paste any amount of survivilist drivel
into usenet postings, but perhaps rather more difficult to come up with any
ideas as to how to make the world a better place to live, without any need
for penis envy rambo drivel to be taken seriously!


Wow!! If the DNC is paying you by the Cliche Rate, you are gonna be a
very rich man.

Snicker.....

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

Hmm...brain death, pukeman...

That about says it all.

michael

"Gunner" wrote in message
...
On Tue, 16 Mar 2004 08:24:59 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:


"Gunner" wrote in message
.. .
On Mon, 15 Mar 2004 20:20:18 +0000 (UTC), "brain death"
wrote:

"Gun Control, the theory that a 110lb grandmother should
fist fight a 250lb 19yr old criminal"

why do u think i use the moniker "brain death" when engaging in
discussion
with those of sub-epsilon mentality?

I think you use the moniker when engaging in spittle ridden dreck with
anyone, as its descriptive of your few remaining failing neurons.

So once again..I ask, is there any other survival related questions
you wish to ask, asshole?

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

i honestly wouldnt want to survive if the world was inhabited by a small
number of highly unpleasant idiots like yourself, and of course a larger
number of polititians and similiar scum, who would come crawling out of
their bunkers when danger was over!

and its pretty to easy to cut and paste any amount of survivilist drivel
into usenet postings, but perhaps rather more difficult to come up with
any
ideas as to how to make the world a better place to live, without any
need
for penis envy rambo drivel to be taken seriously!


Wow!! If the DNC is paying you by the Cliche Rate, you are gonna be a
very rich man.

Snicker.....

Gunner


Leftwingers are like pond scum. They are green, slimy, show up where
they are not wanted, and interfere with the fishing.

Strider

sadly you seem quite unable to engage in intelligent debate..........i can
understand you being a "simple man" but as such perhaps it would be better
for you not to try to take part in debate, with people not quite as "simple"
as yourself, due to the fact that you merely make yourself look foolish!

when in rome does as the romans do!
"michael" wrote in message
...
Hmm...brain death, pukeman...

That about says it all.

michael