Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

Terry Keeley wrote:

Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

It's the very one on this end. Whacha posting from?

There are free news services out there, that give you almost everything
except binaries, and you there are news-only services that you can
subscribe to.

I have no personal experience because I've always been blessed with
ISP's that support news access.

--

Tim Wescott
Wescott Design Services
http://www.wescottdesign.com

Posting from Google? See http://cfaj.freeshell.org/google/

On Sat, 11 Mar 2006 17:22:16 -0800, Tim Wescott
wrote:

Terry Keeley wrote:

Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

It's the very one on this end. Whacha posting from?

There are free news services out there, that give you almost everything
except binaries, and you there are news-only services that you can
subscribe to.

I have no personal experience because I've always been blessed with
ISP's that support news access.
Middle of December, Rogers dropped use net and suggested Giganews (at
additional cost of course) to get news groups. When I called to
complain, all I got was tough - if you don't like it, go elsewhere.
Junior (IT professional) called them and got a substantial discount on
service, then signed me up for the minimum service with Giganews which
gives me 2GB/mo. of which I have been using about 0.02 GB for this
newsgroup. So far I have been satisfied with the service, and, thanks
to Junior, have saved a bit of cash.
Gerry :-)}
London, Canada

My ISP is Copper.net $ 99 year works out to $8.25
month i'm happy with them and first 3 months are $1
month if I remember right. Jim
"Terry Keeley" wrote in message
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Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

Its a little more than related your using some shell to dig yourself
into the real usenet rec.crafts.metalworking

Most of us here are on legitimate usenet and if my ISP drops it i might
need to make a news server to pick up usenet.

Terry Keeley wrote:
Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

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" Jim Sehr" wrote:

My ISP is Copper.net $ 99 year works out to $8.25
month i'm happy with them and first 3 months are $1
month if I remember right. Jim
"Terry Keeley" wrote in message
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Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!




Out of curiousity, how's shell, FTP/web space, compiler access, and CGI
coding with copper? Or does the $99/yr only buy "You're connected to the
'net - Go wild"?

As you can see from my address, I'm with sonic.net - have been for
coming up on 4-5 years now. I'm *QUITE* happy with them. I don't think
I've been anyplace else that's had better "You want it? Check the
member-tools web page for how to use it, and if it isn't already listed
there, give tech support a holler and we can probably set it up for you"
level service. Granted, at $18.95/month, it's a bit more pricey than
copper, but IMO, it's worth it to be able to do practically anything I
care to do. About their only significant restriction is an automatic
disconnect at 12 hours for dial-up users. (With no restriction on
immediately re-connecting - Basically, they just don't want you
permanently "camping" on the connection)

Closest comparable ISP was my very first - cris.com (which later turned
into concentric.net) - and they were great, too. (The funny part is that
when I was with them, I could almost literally turn around, open the
living room window, spit, and if their window was open, hit the sysop in
the back of the head Never did manage to convince them to just let me
run an ethernet cable across the alleyway and plug in directly,
though...)

--
Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info

In article ,
lid (Terry Keeley) wrote:

Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP
recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!


Erm... Yeah, I guess one could reasonably call being one and the same
"related"...

--
Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info

Think I see now that it's the same group (thought so, see the same
faces in here) but I'm accessing it through www.diyprojects.info.

I'm with Roger's also and generally like their service but they
dropped Usenet in December...

Terry Keeley wrote:
Think I see now that it's the same group (thought so, see the same
faces in here) but I'm accessing it through www.diyprojects.info.

A very nice alternative to newsreader access. Thanks

According to Terry Keeley :
Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,

This *is* rec.crafts.metalworking. How in the world is easynews
presenting it that you can't tell?

my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!

Well ... you've got it.

Enjoy,
DoN.

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(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
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Terry Keeley wrote:
Is this forum related some how to the usenet rec.crafts.metalworking,
my ISP recently stopped supporting usenet and I miss it!



Maybe I missed something, but....

You can access this and MANY other newsgroups for zippo $$ just by going
to Google and clicking on "groups".

Here's the thread you started (via Google Groups.)

http://tinyurl.com/lnhm5

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"Truth exists; only falsehood has to be invented."

According to Terry Keeley :
I'm not quite as net "savy" as some of you guys so maybe
someone could explain to me how they take a usenet group and
transform it to display on http://www.diyprojects.info/bb/forum8.html

Well ... the short answer is "software" -- running on their web
server.

The slightly longer answer is that the computer which hosts the
web server also receives a usenet newsfeed, and software converts
incoming articles into web pages.

Other software collects a post which you type into the web page,
and formats it as a normal (more or less) usenet news article, and
submits it through that same news feed.

There is no regulation prohibiting this. Of course, if nobody
was willing to give them (or sell them) a newsfeed, this would not work.

In essence, this is the same thing that Google does -- except
that this page seems to limit itself to newsgroups which are related to
its specific field of interest, instead of doing it for *all*
newsgroups, and storing it all forever. (Or until the company is bought
out, at which point all those stored news articles are yet another asset
to be sold.

The *much* longer answer would require me to have access to the
software which they are using to enable me to answer in a lot more
detail than I think that *anyone* wants. :-)

Note that usenet articles are stored in thousands of news
servers, unlike web sites, which are typically stored in a single
machine, or at most perhaps twenty machines if it is a *very* busy site.

I hope that this helps.

Enjoy,
DoN.
--
Email: | Voice (all times): (703) 938-4564
(too) near Washington D.C. | http://www.d-and-d.com/dnichols/DoN.html
--- Black Holes are where God is dividing by zero ---

In article ,
lid (Terry Keeley) wrote:

I'm not quite as net "savy" as some of you guys so maybe
someone could
explain to me how they take a usenet group and
transform it to display on
http://www.diyprojects.info/bb/forum8.html
???


The overall idea is pretty simple: Basically, the owner of the forum
runs a program that acts as a newsreader - kinda like Agent or MT
Newswatcher, but with no user interface - that grabs newsgroup postings
and does whatever work is needed to post it to (or make it appear that
it has been posted to) the forum as if the program were a poster
connected to the forum.

Another way acts as a go-between to grab a message from the newsgroup,
show it to you, and let you reply, storing only the header data on the
forum.

There are several other ways to do it, but they all boil down to a
program that acts as a "USENET server --- forum software translator".

Like I said, though, that's just "the basic idea" - As anybody playing
with metal is probably aware, "the devil is in the details". That's just
as true for computer code. "Under the hood" of whatever program is being
used, there's a *LOT* more going on than the quick summary I gave. For
info at that level, you're going to need to look at program code, or
talk to the programmer(s) who put out whatever package is in use - It's
just *WAY* too complex, with far too many "Could do it this way, or that
way, or some other way" variations possible to even try to fully explain
as a newsgroup posting without re-writing mutiple books worth of
information in the process.

--
Don Bruder - - If your "From:" address isn't on my whitelist,
or the subject of the message doesn't contain the exact text "PopperAndShadow"
somewhere, any message sent to this address will go in the garbage without my
ever knowing it arrived. Sorry... http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd for more info

Thanks for the great explanations, I'm very happy to have access to
this group again, there's some very sharp people here!

BB means bulletin board - the long time ago prior to internet - but dial in modem
into a computer.

So the IT just drags in the data they want and places it in an area pool like this
stuff in any company that supports some of these.

Martin

Martin Eastburn
@ home at Lions' Lair with our computer lionslair at consolidated dot net
NRA LOH & Endowment Member
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder



Terry Keeley wrote:
I'm not quite as net "savy" as some of you guys so maybe
someone could explain to me how they take a usenet group and
transform it to display on http://www.diyprojects.info/bb/forum8.html
???


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