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OT - Spanking...Should You or Shouldn't You?
"Dave Lyon" wrote in message news6_gf.593982$xm3.67367@attbi_s21... Lots and lots more drugs, including the crack cocaine epidemic starting in the late 80s. Really? Lots more drugs than in the 60's? Lots more drug CRIMES, as more and more thing were classified as crimes, and more and more crimes were treated as "serious," not excluding FEDERAL pressure on local agencies with not-so-subtle threats behind them. Watch the Johnny Cash movie, then get back to us about the effectiveness and desire of regulating persoal behavior. Dan -- "History has stopped. Nothing exists except an endless present in which the Party is always right." "... by far the more important reason for the readjustment of the past is the need to safeguard the infallibility of the Party. It is not merely that speeches, statistics and records of every kind must be constantly brought up to date in order to show that the predictions of the Party were in all cases right. It is also that no change of doctrine or in political alignment can ever be admitted. For to change one's mind, or even one's policy, is a confession of weakness." "It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words." - George Orwell, "1984" "The Americans will always do the right thing, after they've exhausted all the alternatives." -Winston Churchill "Throughout history, tyrants and would-be tyrants have always claimed that murder is justified to serve their grand vision. And they end up alienating decent people across the globe." - George W. Bush, introspective |
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OT - Spanking...Should You or Shouldn't You?
"jim rozen" wrote in message ... In article , Harold and Susan Vordos says... The third incident was just an exchange of words, when I walked into my sophomore year of electricity class. I was known for my big mouth (gee---what a surprise) and walked into the class shouting something, likely not worth hearing, which was usually the case. The teacher immediately addressed me---politely but firmly informing me that my behavior was not acceptable. From that day forward I respected him---and went on to have him for a class all three years of high school, which, for us, began in 10th grade, not 9th. The verbal 'slap' then was just as effective as the physical one for you then - that teacher did what the others did, but without having to lay a finger on you. He could do it to *any* of the students in the class at any time without having to run through the class doling out blows. Certainly you will say that the verbal rebuke meant somthing to you because you respected him. This is true, but consider that by this time if a student does *not* respect a teacher, will he do so after being struck by them? Knowing my attitude, yeah, it likely took the slap. I'm quite sure I had already tested the teacher well enough. I had probably pushed him beyond reasonable limits with other matters. Frankly, I don't recall what precipitated the slap, I only know that I deserved it, and sure as hell didn't want another, not in front of my peers, especially. I think my point is that you can't use the same tactics with even results on all children. Some respond well to a few kind words, others perceive the kind words as a weakness of sorts, so they simply escalate their behavior. It takes something more than the simple word to discourage them. The key to a successful resolution is discovering what it takes. In my case, with no doubt, a public slap was more than adequate. So was the paddle. I can still feel that damned thing, and it's been more than 50 years. One thing is sure. My father instilled in me a concept of right and wrong, which is now very strong. And hence you were susceptible to the verbal disciplining that the electronics shop teacher applied. There was probably no reason for the others to resort to corporal punishment - they were simply either 'having a bad day' or were otherwise unskilled at keeping order. A good teacher can tell when a kid can be brought into line with a talking to, or not. You could, those other teachers were not skilled enough to realize it. The teacher made other points clear. He also told the class that if they chose to sleep through his class every day, he wouldn't give them a failing grade (although it would be a bad one--D-). He also said that it would be hard to achieve an *A* ---that the student would have to work hard for one. In my mind, he was a fair minded person, and I had a burning desire to be on his good side, for he was also the stage craft teacher, and I was on the stage crew, where I had a keen interest. Where else could a young kid get his hands on a large amplifier? My interest in music and sound had already been formed. I had ulterior motives, so in his case it took very little for me to respond. I guess it's fair to say my purpose was self serving. By the way, you sound like you're doing a great job with your daughter, Jim. I'm honestly not sure if it's anything we're doing. I think she just turned out that way by accident. But thank you. Could be by accident, but I can't help but think that it's no different from the things I learned from my father, which manifested themselves later in life. I was a nasty little ******* as a kid (and a few think I still am), defiant, hard headed, somewhat sticky fingered, didn't comply with rules-----but I grew up. Your daughter has learned things from you by observing, consciously or otherwise. I can't help but think that you and your wife have provided good examples. I think the luck of the draw comes from the choices kids make. Many have been shown the proper way in life, but make poor choices. My opinion is it takes maturity for some kids to make better choices. It was certainly that way for me. Also the number two string class cut-up often would take the hint right after this happened.... Public schools cannot 'dis-invite' any students so the problem kids stay in place. From what I've learned, at least here in Western Washington, they now have classes where problem kids are separated from the others and combined in one class. As you said, they can't be denied their education, although many of them do their best to not get one. There's a local concrete contractor that has become an acquaintance (he poured and finished the floor in my shop). He has a college education, but chose to work with his hands. His partner in life (a woman---and a damned good one) is in education, and teaches just such a class. It's been interesting hearing her stories. Harold |
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The Entitlement Freaks are each On A Mission to prove that they are indeed, the centre of the universe, and that everybody else "owes" them. How many mother-in-laws does it take to screw in a light bulb? Just one, she holds the bulb and waits for the world to revolve around her. |
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OT - Spanking...Should You or Shouldn't You?
"Antipodean Bucket Farmer" wrote in message ... In article , says... "Dave Lyon" wrote in message news:YoGgf.350854$084.302303@attbi_s22... snip---- Good parenting is lots of hard work. Yep! It is. And the parents should be consistent, and have a back bone. Often otherwise loving parents give up when they've had a hard day and they have to get up from the couch once again to discipline junior for the 5th time that evening. 5th time because they haven't taught the kid any manners, and the kid hasn't ever had to pay a price. Interestingly, the day comes when he/she will. Society, in general, has little tolerance for such people. Imagine the rude awakening when a kid pulls the usual BS as a young adult and loses a good job because the boss doesn't have to put up with it. On the other hand, there might *never* be that "rude awakening." There are plenty of adults (including middle-aged and over) going around with a certain constant bewildered expression on their face. Totally and chronically confused as to just "WHY" all us mean nasty people refuse to give the Entitlement Freak whatever s/he wants. And just "WHY" we refuse to tolerate his/her obnoxious behaviour. The Entitlement Freaks are each On A Mission to prove that they are indeed, the centre of the universe, and that everybody else "owes" them. No clue at eighteen, no clue at thirty, no clue at forty... No clue *ever*. Pretty hard to improve on that! Harold |
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