Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

I have found that a industrial product called Slide Products
www.slideproducts.com has a dry rust preventing spay that really works.
Check out their web page for a dist. near you. Usual disclaimer.
Don Warner in highly humid FL
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"Billy V" No Spam wrote in message
...

Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:38 GMT, Billy V No Spam wrote:
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?

You appear to be asking about VCI paper (Volatile Corrosion Inhibitor).
There are a number of suppliers of varying formulations. Do a google
search on "VCI paper" and you'll turn up a bunch of them. Plain old
camphor works to a degree.

But better protection can be obtained by directly applying a corrosion
inhibitor to the metal. Cosmolene has been a traditional favorite. But
LPS-3 is commonly recommended by metalworkers. It dries to a very
thin waxy coating which isn't sticky. It cleans off easily too, if you need
to remove it.

Another option you might consider is to heat your toolbox slightly above
ambient. If metal is slightly warmer than the air around it, moisture won't
condense out onto the metal surfaces and cause corrosion to start. You
can use a rod type electric heating element, heat tape, or even a light
bulb inside the box. It doesn't take much heat to prevent condensation.
This is the approach I take down here in the humid South for metal
items kept indoors. For stuff that's outdoors, I use LPS-3.

Gary

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 16:37:50 -0400, Gary Coffman
wrote:

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:38 GMT, Billy V No Spam wrote:
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?

You appear to be asking about VCI paper (Volatile Corrosion Inhibitor).
There are a number of suppliers of varying formulations. Do a google
search on "VCI paper" and you'll turn up a bunch of them. Plain old
camphor works to a degree.

But better protection can be obtained by directly applying a corrosion
inhibitor to the metal. Cosmolene has been a traditional favorite. But
LPS-3 is commonly recommended by metalworkers. It dries to a very
thin waxy coating which isn't sticky. It cleans off easily too, if you need
to remove it.

Another option you might consider is to heat your toolbox slightly above
ambient. If metal is slightly warmer than the air around it, moisture won't
condense out onto the metal surfaces and cause corrosion to start. You
can use a rod type electric heating element, heat tape, or even a light
bulb inside the box. It doesn't take much heat to prevent condensation.
This is the approach I take down here in the humid South for metal
items kept indoors. For stuff that's outdoors, I use LPS-3.

Gary

Im told that common camphor also works well in tool boxes.

Gunner

"You cannot invade the mainland United States. There would be a rifle
behind each blade of grass." --Japanese Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto

In article ,
Gary Coffman wrote:

[ ... ]

You appear to be asking about VCI paper (Volatile Corrosion Inhibitor).

I've heard it described as "VPI paper" (Vapor Phase Inhibitor)

There are a number of suppliers of varying formulations. Do a google
search on "VCI paper" and you'll turn up a bunch of them. Plain old
camphor works to a degree.

I've been told this too -- but not yet tried it.

Enjoy,
DoN.
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"Gary Coffman" wrote in message
...

Another option you might consider is to heat your toolbox slightly
above ambient. If metal is slightly warmer than the air around it,
moisture won't condense out onto the metal surfaces and cause
corrosion to start.

The problem with living close to the ocean is that wave action atomizes the
salt water, which is then blown inland to settle on anything and everything.
So the problem isn't simply condensation, but rather a continuous fog of
salty water, creating an ideal "breeding" environment for rust. It will even
affect items kept indoors in heated living areas. So in these cases, warming
the tooling simply won't do enough to prevent rust. And I suspect VCI paper
will also fall short. A barrier protection product like LPS-3 or Cosmoline
will provide the most practical and effective solution, although you will
likely always be plagued with rust near the ocean.

Hello Billy,
If you can store your tools in woood storage containers, drawers etc.
Wood just happens to have one of the best anti-rust properties there
is.
I'm sure someone in the ng can put forward the reason.
I live in the UK that is not regarded as a dry country, except this
year, and the tools I have in wooden storage containers just do not
rust, and those that do only have a very light coating which wipes off
easily.
Regards
GeoffH
Norfolk - UK

On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:38 GMT, Billy V No Spam
wrote:


Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

In article ,
Billy V No Spam wrote:

Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

I keep a light coat of oil on mine... zero rust at all in over 35 (gasp)
years now. It doesn't take much, a very light film is all thats
necessary. I just use engine oil, and wipe them down after every use.
Don't use brake fluid or household vegetable based oils like that 3 in
whatever the hell it is stuff... brake fluid will make the rust even
worse, and the veg stuff will leave them a loathsome gummed up mess.

Erik

A simple help is a light bulb below the tool box, so that the heat
from the lamp keeps everything just slightly warm.

Take care.

Brian Lawson,
Bothwell, Ontario.
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On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:38 GMT, Billy V No Spam
wrote:


Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 805

Place a few blocks in you tool box . They cured my rust problem

On 15 Oct 2003 01:48:14 GMT, (TLKALLAM8) wrote:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tegory=11 805

Place a few blocks in you tool box . They cured my rust problem

That is good stuff and not easy to find any more. But that auction is
closed so here is a current Buy It Now "auction" from the same seller:

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"Billy V" No Spam wrote in message
...

Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

You might give a dehumidifier some consideration. We run one year 'round
here in Western Washington, and it's a great idea. No rusting of machine
tools, a marked difference from when we lived in a much dryer environment.

Sears sells small units in the $200 range. As I recall, they are made by
Whirlpool. No, I am not affiliated with either of them. I'm just
happy with the product.

Harold

Hi,
I want to thank all of you to responding to my question. I really
appreciate the time all of you put into writing the responses.

Than you,
BillyV





On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 18:12:38 GMT, Billy V No Spam
wrote:


Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V

I would support the heater/light bulb idea but use 2 light bulbs in case one
blows.

John

Billy V wrote:
Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

If you go to:
http://www.brownells.com/Default.aspx
and search on "rust", you'll find several products like you describe.

I put camphor in my toolboxes when I had to put them in storage for a
couple of years. No rust, but then again I don't know if they would
have rusted without the camphor.

R,
Tom Q.

"Tom Quackenbush" wrote in message
...

I put camphor in my toolboxes when I had to put them in storage for a
couple of years. No rust, but then again I don't know if they would
have rusted without the camphor.

R,
Tom Q.


I had my machine tools and precision tools box in storage in containers for
four years, in a very damp environment. The machine tools had been covered
in cosmoline and did fine if the covering didn't get disturbed, and my
measuring tools, which are in a Gerstner, came through without any problems,
and with no particular provisions to prevent rust. I'm of the opinion that
wooden toolboxes deal with moisture exceedingly well.

I was not so lucky with some items that were stored in my Kennedy rollaway,
however. In spite of the drawers being closed, some items rusted where
heavy water condensation occurred. Of particular irritation was the
matched set of Starrett V blocks. They are certainly still functional, but
the rust spots are exceptionally irritating to me.

Camphor may prevent rust, but the smell is very offensive to me. I'd have
to give extended thought and make the decision, live with the smell, or the
rust. g

Harold

In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

I was not so lucky with some items that were stored in my Kennedy rollaway,
however. In spite of the drawers being closed, some items rusted where
heavy water condensation occurred. Of particular irritation was the
matched set of Starrett V blocks. They are certainly still functional, but
the rust spots are exceptionally irritating to me.

I would say *so*. Harold, those blocks are clearly
ruined beyond repair, so your best bet would be to
send them (postpaid) to the licensed "V-block
disposal facility" listed below.

Starrett Disposal Facility
520 Highland Ave
Peekskill NY 10566

You will of course receive a proper written
confirmation of their arrival and disposition!
We are all aware of your life-long battle
against the scourge of rust, and deeply sympathize
for your angst.

Jim

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"jim rozen" wrote in message
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In article , Harold & Susan Vordos says...

I was not so lucky with some items that were stored in my Kennedy
rollaway,
however. In spite of the drawers being closed, some items rusted where
heavy water condensation occurred. Of particular irritation was the
matched set of Starrett V blocks. They are certainly still functional,
but
the rust spots are exceptionally irritating to me.

I would say *so*. Harold, those blocks are clearly
ruined beyond repair, so your best bet would be to
send them (postpaid) to the licensed "V-block
disposal facility" listed below.

Starrett Disposal Facility
520 Highland Ave
Peekskill NY 10566

You will of course receive a proper written
confirmation of their arrival and disposition!
We are all aware of your life-long battle
against the scourge of rust, and deeply sympathize
for your angst.

Jim

Nice try, Jim :-)

I've stoned one of them and have used it, but that does little to sooth my
anger. I need not mention how I feel about rust. I'm just thankful we
built the shop before tackling the house, which is taking much longer to
build. By the time we would have unloaded the containers, everything would
have been ruined by humidity. What a lesson I've learned since moving
from the desert!

Harold

Harold & Susan Vordos scribed in
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Camphor may prevent rust, but the smell is very offensive to me.
I'd have to give extended thought and make the decision, live
with the smell, or the rust. g

Harold, if you have it there all the time, you stop smelling it.
The smell receptors 'get used to it' and stop signalling until there
is a major change, like if you go outside and come back into the w/s.

OTH, I kinda like the smell of camphor (-:

however, my workshop smells of chicken fat since that is what I use
for cutting. don't go in hungry as I will not allow you to eat my
chipboard! (-:

swarf, steam and wind

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Harold & Susan Vordos scribed in
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Camphor may prevent rust, but the smell is very offensive to me.
I'd have to give extended thought and make the decision, live
with the smell, or the rust. g

Harold, if you have it there all the time, you stop smelling it.
The smell receptors 'get used to it' and stop signalling until there
is a major change, like if you go outside and come back into the w/s.

Interestingly, I've noticed that when changing soap in the shower. At first
the smell is overwhelming, yet soon you don't notice it.

OTH, I kinda like the smell of camphor (-:

We'll keep on liking you anyway! :-)

however, my workshop smells of chicken fat since that is what I use
for cutting. don't go in hungry as I will not allow you to eat my
chipboard! (-:

swarf, steam and wind

I'd likely do OK unless your shop smells of Kentucky fried chicken. Pass
the chipboard!!

There were a couple old timers that used camphor in their toolboxes when I
was a lad in the missile facility where I was trained. Hated the smell,
and to add to my disgust, my lovely bride purchased an oriental camphor
chest, which one would liken to a cedar chest of sorts. Love the chest,
hate the smell. How I wish it would have been made of cedar, a smell I
adore. g

Harold

Harold & Susan Vordos scribed in
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OTH, I kinda like the smell of camphor (-:

We'll keep on liking you anyway! :-)

aw shucks, thanks...

however, my workshop smells of chicken fat since that is what I
use for cutting. don't go in hungry as I will not allow you to
eat my chipboard! (-:

I'd likely do OK unless your shop smells of Kentucky fried
chicken. Pass the chipboard!!

not fried, ROAST chicken, you can keep the Kentucky Fxxxx Chicken.
roasted so it falls off the bones when you try to carve it. with
roast potatos and gravy, sweet baby carrots, maybe some fried
mushrooms. yum....
good thing lunchtime is only 15 minutes away!

to a cedar chest of sorts. Love the chest, hate the smell.
How I wish it would have been made of cedar, a smell I adore. g

oh dear. maybe you can overwhelm the camphor with cutting oil?

swarf, steam and wind

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Billy V No Spam wrote in message . ..
Hi all,
I have a large number of hand tools.Like every type of plier known to
mankind. I don't use all of them everyday so they have to sit in a
draw in my upright tool box.

Because of my proximity to the ocean I have a problem with tools that
are not used very often rusting. I have heard of pads that are put in
tool cabinet draws to prevent rusting. For the life of me I can't find
them anywhere.

Does anyone know what I am talking about? Or does anyone know
something that I can do to prevent the rusting of my tools?
I do a lot of hand forging of gold and platinum, I keep many of my
hammers with a mirror finish. To get them that way is a lot of work
and I do not want any pitting from the rusting.

Thanks for all your help.
Billy V
A block or two of camphor in the tool chest will keep the rust down.
A little paste wax when you clean the tools will help also.

This will not be a good solution for tools that you use frequently, but for
long-term storage, I think it would beat anything. A device called a
"Foodsaver," which pulls a vacuum on a plastic bag, and seals it. It is
primarily intended to extend the life of foods, but it is also effective at
preventing silver from tarnishing, and I believe it would prevent rust
indefinitely under the worst of conditions. I also use it to pull a vacuum
on my photo developer in a partially full bottle, and if I stored open
bottles of wine, I would use it for that. I am not connected with the
company in any way.

"Leo Lichtman" wrote in message ...
This will not be a good solution for tools that you use frequently, but for
long-term storage, I think it would beat anything. A device called a
"Foodsaver," which pulls a vacuum on a plastic bag, and seals it. It is
primarily intended to extend the life of foods, but it is also effective at
preventing silver from tarnishing, and I believe it would prevent rust
indefinitely under the worst of conditions. I also use it to pull a vacuum
on my photo developer in a partially full bottle, and if I stored open
bottles of wine, I would use it for that. I am not connected with the
company in any way.

I like Greek food, too. I go to a Greek Orthdox Church. We have a
meal at Thanksgiving, Christmas, Easter and other times of the year at
church. Baklava, Kourambiethes, lamb is all good. I am not Greek but
my godfamily is. There is a lot of middle eastern folks at my church,
too. Middle Eastern food it good, too. As a matter of fact, some of
the greek foods is prepared by the middle easterns with a different
twist.