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Survival strategy in Na'lens
On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote:
Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:41:59 GMT, Gunner Asch
wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner I went through this privately already. I would rather the humans drowned than the animals, which I consider a higher life form, and from what I can see on TV, they indeed are a higher life form. Lg |
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Lawrence Glickman wrote:
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 07:41:59 GMT, Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner I went through this privately already. I would rather the humans drowned than the animals, which I consider a higher life form, and from what I can see on TV, they indeed are a higher life form. Lg Strongly concur with both thoughts. It is back to the responsibility issue again - pets much more reliably keep their end of the social contract than do some people. -- Fred R typing with purring cat across lap and dreaming dog across feet ________________ Drop TROU to email. |
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Lawrence Glickman in
: I went through this privately already. I would rather the humans drowned than the animals, which I consider a higher life form, and from what I can see on TV, they indeed are a higher life form. d@mn PETA republicans :-) -- A state-subsidised trip to the country club bestowed upon another red-stater http://news.google.com/news?q=~tenne...C+~sentenced+% 7C+~sentence+%7C+fraud |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:01:23 +0000 (UTC), "Part_Time_Troll"
wrote: Lawrence Glickman in : I went through this privately already. I would rather the humans drowned than the animals, which I consider a higher life form, and from what I can see on TV, they indeed are a higher life form. d@mn PETA republicans :-) I will under no circumstances, abandon my animals. They come with me, or we stay here together. That's just me. Everybody has to decide for themselves what is important. They are as much a part of my family as any of the humans, and maybe the better part. Lg |
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I have to agree. Possibly the most soul-wrenching story that's come out
of this mess, at least for me, was the one where they wouldn't let the little kid take his dog with him on the bus out of NOLA. I took one look at my big dumb cat and heaved a sigh. He is the one thing I could never leave behind. |
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Greetings and Salutations...
On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 18:56:10 -0500, Lawrence Glickman wrote: On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 23:01:23 +0000 (UTC), "Part_Time_Troll" wrote: Lawrence Glickman in m: I went through this privately already. I would rather the humans drowned than the animals, which I consider a higher life form, and from what I can see on TV, they indeed are a higher life form. d@mn PETA republicans :-) I will under no circumstances, abandon my animals. They come with me, or we stay here together. That's just me. Everybody has to decide for themselves what is important. They are as much a part of my family as any of the humans, and maybe the better part. Lg I am right there with you on this point. If some stranger came to the house and said "got to leave but you can't bring your cats", I would say "Nope, if I go, they go". If anything else was said, I would reply with "well, tell you what. I will leave my cats if you will leave your kids". That usual shuts folks up. I bet the folks that are REALLY ****ed are the ones that had to leave their animals, and, NOW are seeing folks being allowed to TAKE their critters. In any case, it was a badly handled situation all around, and, many thoughtless and inhumane actions were taken. We Americans should, rightly, be embarressed, and the folks in NO and LA that behaved in such a mindless fashion should be truly ashamed. Regards Dave Mundt |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. snip Gunner, I think the following quote from Mahatma Ghandi sums it up pretty well. "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." George Vigneron |
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"George" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." George Vigneron Are we talking about stranded survivors or cats and dogs? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. |
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"Chris" wrote in message
news "George" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." George Vigneron Are we talking about stranded survivors or cats and dogs? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. Yes |
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"RAM^3" wrote in message ... "Chris" wrote in message news "George" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." George Vigneron Are we talking about stranded survivors or cats and dogs? -- Chris If you can read this, thank a teacher. If it is in English, thank a soldier. If it is in ebonics, thank your Congressman. Yes Much clearer now. Thanks. LOL |
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Chris wrote:
"George" wrote in message ... Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: "The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated." George Vigneron Are we talking about stranded survivors or cats and dogs? Vigneron? That sounds sorta like Vegan. Anyway, just because someone can turn a nice phrase doesn't make it wisdom. |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner There may not be quite as many lost as you fear: many of those who heeded the evacuation order took theirs with them and quite a number of others have been rescued. The Houston SPCA is housing a large number of those rescued as are other ASPCA locations. |
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On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:55:55 -0500, "RAM^3"
wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message .. . On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner There may not be quite as many lost as you fear: many of those who heeded the evacuation order took theirs with them and quite a number of others have been rescued. The Houston SPCA is housing a large number of those rescued as are other ASPCA locations. For some time, my sister Lori was midwest regional director of EARSs http://www.uan.org/ears/ She related more than one horror story..the dog found burned to death in its masters bed after a wild fire. It apparently went to the one place it felt secure in. Ive personally seen the bitch and her litter of pups burned to death while she was left chained..her teeth gone from trying to bite the chain in half as the flames got closer and closer...the pups huddled under her charred body..black briquettes Ill not go any farther. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner |
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"Gunner Asch" wrote in message
... On Sun, 4 Sep 2005 11:55:55 -0500, "RAM^3" wrote: "Gunner Asch" wrote in message . .. On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner There may not be quite as many lost as you fear: many of those who heeded the evacuation order took theirs with them and quite a number of others have been rescued. The Houston SPCA is housing a large number of those rescued as are other ASPCA locations. For some time, my sister Lori was midwest regional director of EARSs http://www.uan.org/ears/ She related more than one horror story..the dog found burned to death in its masters bed after a wild fire. It apparently went to the one place it felt secure in. Ive personally seen the bitch and her litter of pups burned to death while she was left chained..her teeth gone from trying to bite the chain in half as the flames got closer and closer...the pups huddled under her charred body..black briquettes Ill not go any farther. Gunner The number of these accounts is, I'll agree, far higher than I'd like to see. [ZERO is my "preferred number"!] I'd suspect that the number of cases of the type you've related may well be in the hundreds [I hope not the thousands] as unthinking owners simply abandoned their cats, dogs, birds, et. al., in their rush to high ground. Those headed for the Civic Center and Superdome would, quite likely, be prohibited from taking with them any "non-human family members". Hopefully, though, the large number of "rescued" critters that have already been relocated to ASPCA centers will include many of the potential casualties. |
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I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner Most people seem to regard their pets merely as furniture. As if. Very sad. MOngke |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:34:38 -0500, "Camilo Ramos"
wrote: I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner Most people seem to regard their pets merely as furniture. As if. Very sad. When I lived in the country, I always had cats and dogs. I noticed that, while they are interesting and entertaining creatures, they aren't human beings. I fed them, took care of them, and occasionally had to shoot one of them. I ended up thinking of them as friendly, inedible livestock. One of the few regrets I have about living in town is that keeping pets is such a difficult process, which I no longer bother with. (I might get a cat sometime, but I doubt it.) I don't mind if other people treat them as if they are slightly less intelligent four-legged humans. I understand this is a common behavior. But I never did, and never will. -- Robert Sturgeon Summum ius summa inuria. http://www.vistech.net/users/rsturge/ |
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Camilo Ramos wrote:
I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner Most people seem to regard their pets merely as furniture. As if. Very sad. Not as sad as regarding their kids as furniture.... |
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On Sun, 04 Sep 2005 22:34:38 -0500, "Camilo Ramos"
wrote: Most people seem to regard their pets merely as furniture. As if. Very sad. Gunner considers his neighbor's as either targets or dinner. He's claimed that he eats his kills IIRC. -- Cliff |
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Gunner Asch wrote:
On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner "Pax Americana is a philosophy. Hardly an empire. Making sure other people play nice and dont kill each other (and us) off in job lots is hardly empire building, particularly when you give them self determination under "play nice" rules. Think of it as having your older brother knock the **** out of you for torturing the cat." Gunner Thats one very big reason we have a pocket sized pet , a chihuahua we got for a wedding gift . The other one , the feral goat , hey , well , its a bloody goat , nothing gets them if they got a mind to get away from it . We live on the side of a hill on the edge of a mountain range ... itll be OK , just let her go . The dog fits neatly into the Mrs's handbag or my pocket . With the amount of travel we do , we dont got high maintinence pets or ones hard to get into and out of places . |
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Gunner Asch wrote: On 3 Sep 2005 15:37:01 -0700, "CanopyCo" wrote: Day Brown wrote: Halcitron wrote: what law applies to the situation. bookburn The law of the land is the gun in your hand. Shoot looters and dogs running in packs. Wait a while on the dogs; they eating the bodies of the dead will lessen a health hazard and reduce the stench. And thin out the survivors as well as fatten the dogs up better for the pot. ;-) I had a moment of terror and sadness today, when I thought of all the pets left on chains, left in homes as the waters rose. Phydoux staked to a chain..the water rising...he can only swim for so long.. The cat and dogs left closed up in houses.the water inside rising, swimmiing and swimming in panic until there was no room left at the ceiling. All wondering where their people are as they drown, trapped, alone, afraid.... In such an event..I think it would be kinder to kill your pets outright before you flee, if you cant take them all with you. I suddenly have a strong urge to get drunk. Gunner The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. Sedation or a strong, heavy container may be your only options. FW. Who weeps for animals AND people. |
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On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote:
The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. -- Cliff That works for kittens and cats too fat to twist around. You try picking up most other cats that way, especially one really furious or scared, you'll draw back a hand bleeding from a dozen places. Possibily with a cat still attached and biting. FW |
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Frank White wrote:
you'll draw back a hand bleeding from a dozen places. Possibily with a cat still attached and biting. Obvious to anyone with an ounce of common sense...G Jon |
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In article . com,
"Frank White" wrote: Cliff wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. -- Cliff That works for kittens and cats too fat to twist around. You try picking up most other cats that way, especially one really furious or scared, you'll draw back a hand bleeding from a dozen places. Possibily with a cat still attached and biting. "Possibly"???? HAH! Try "WAY more than likely", and it's unlikely to be "just" biting, but steadily chewing its way up your arm! I for one would rather reach into a running blender set on "liquify" and grab the blades than try to deal with a cat that doesn't want to go somewhere. I'd likely come out of it with less damage! -- Don Bruder - - New Email policy in effect as of Feb. 21, 2004. Short form: I'm trashing EVERY E-mail that doesn't contain a password in the subject unless it comes from a "whitelisted" (pre-approved by me) address. See http://www.sonic.net/~dakidd/main/contact.html for full details. |
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On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 20:16:59 GMT, Don Bruder wrote:
That works for kittens and cats too fat to twist around. You try picking up most other cats that way, especially one really furious or scared, you'll draw back a hand bleeding from a dozen places. Possibily with a cat still attached and biting. "Possibly"???? HAH! Try "WAY more than likely", and it's unlikely to be "just" biting, but steadily chewing its way up your arm! Their ears get in the way of that "twisting". HTH -- Cliff |
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When handling feral or scared cats a leather jacket and gloves should be
donned first. And move fast so they don't get a chance to think about it. |
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On 6 Sep 2005 11:22:53 -0700, "Frank White" wrote:
Cliff wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. -- Cliff That works for kittens and cats too fat to twist around. You try picking up most other cats that way, especially one really furious or scared, you'll draw back a hand bleeding from a dozen places. Possibily with a cat still attached and biting. They cannot twist around when held that way. In addition, it usually turns on their "mommy has me" reflex that was imprinted on them as very small kittens. Or it might be instinct. -- Cliff |
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Cliff wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. Be sure to get there hips with the other hand or they can still twist around and rip you a big one. And when you get free of them, don't just drop them. Throw them so that you have a fighting chance while they figure out that they are free if they will just go away. ;-) |
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Here is the ultimate solution and it solves another problem too.:
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...21.html?menu=l -- Glenn Ashmore I'm building a 45' cutter in strip/composite. Watch my progress (or lack there of) at: http://www.rutuonline.com Shameless Commercial Division: http://www.spade-anchor-us.com "CanopyCo" wrote in message ups.com... Cliff wrote: On 5 Sep 2005 10:07:36 -0700, "Frank White" wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. sheesh Pick them up by the scruff of their necks. Be sure to get there hips with the other hand or they can still twist around and rip you a big one. And when you get free of them, don't just drop them. Throw them so that you have a fighting chance while they figure out that they are free if they will just go away. ;-) |
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On Tue, 13 Sep 2005 17:49:22 -0400, with neither quill nor qualm,
"Glenn Ashmore" quickly quoth: Here is the ultimate solution and it solves another problem too.: http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm...21.html?menu=l Gunner'll love you, Gashy. bseg Anyone read this book yet? Sounds interesting. "Crossing The Rubicon : The Decline Of The American Empire At The End Of The Age Of Oil" (Paperback, 2004) Author: Michael C. Ruppert ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications |
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Frank White wrote: The trouble with trying to save cats is, if they get it into their walnut sized brains that you're attacking them, or it's time to panic, or they want to run and you try to stop them, you can come away with more injuries from the cat than from the disaster. Sedation or a strong, heavy container may be your only options. FW. Who weeps for animals AND people. Oh come on now. There brain is no where near that large. ;-) |
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On 12 Sep 2005 17:17:01 -0700, with neither quill nor qualm,
"CanopyCo" quickly quoth: Oh come on now. There brain is no where near that large. ;-) With punctuation and spelling checked, that would read: "Oh, come on now. Their brains are nowhere near that large." For a Semper Fi good time, go he http://lonestar-mvpa.org/events/2005/05_Katrina.htm ---- - Nice perfume. Must you marinate in it? - http://diversify.com Web Applications |
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