The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.

How come no one makes a big deal about the army's new Stryer being made in
Canada?

"Rooster" wrote in message
ups.com...
The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.

How about this?

http://www.taipeitimes.com/News/taiw.../07/2003218366



"Rooster" wrote in message
ups.com...
The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.

On 24 Apr 2005 18:34:50 -0700, "Rooster" wrote:

The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.

In the 60s Kruschev said that Russia would bury us. We had fears
about Japan Inc dominating us economically in the late 70s or early
80s. They bought Rockefeller Center in NYC and some expensive golf
courses in California and everyone was paniced. Nothing wrong with
keeping a wary eye, but I'm not ready to get alarmed yet.

RWL

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"RWL" GeoLane_NOSPAM_ @evenlink.com wrote in message
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|SNIP
| In the 60s Kruschev said that Russia would bury us. We had fears
| about Japan Inc dominating us economically in the late 70s or early
| 80s. They bought Rockefeller Center in NYC and some expensive golf
| courses in California and everyone was paniced. Nothing wrong with
| keeping a wary eye, but I'm not ready to get alarmed yet.
|
| RWL

It will all boil down to who has more willpower when push comes to
shove. The Chinese are trying to rattle sabers and are well developing the
means and motives to finally give our military a serious run for our money
(pun unintended.) They will be fully capable in short order, no thanks in
large part to our country's residents feeding their economic engine, but if
they do start something (or we do, whatever happens first!) the cash flow
dries up fast, leaving the money people to freak out and the markets to get
slammed on both sides. I don't think it will actually happen (shots being
fired doesn't count,) although we will come to the brink of war, because the
businessmen in China and the US will start making phone calls and not stop
until someone backs down. Seeing as how saving face is so important in
Asian cultures, it could very well be that we back down (depending on who
our leadership is, that's for sure!) or the communists get pushed out by a
lot of unhappy people, including the newly unemployed populace. The new
face of China is a spoiled and capitalistic one, regardless of what the
heavily entrenched bureaucracy thinks. The American economy, lacking the
micromanagement and central control of the Chinese, is far more nimble and
can recover a lot better when thrown for a loop, having just gone through
that a few years ago. We've been capitalists a lot longer and have a lot
more experience at it, that's for sure.
I just put on my flameproof hat, but this is just my idle thinking from
someone who is by far no specialist. Please don't hurt me!

Rooster wrote:

The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.



Hey, I'm just waiting for the day when China's workers' pay goes higher
than America's and then Dongfeng Motor Co. builds a car plant here in
California next to the Toyota truck plant. We need the business.

"ff" wrote in message
m...
| Rooster wrote:
|
| The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
| A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
| Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
| PC boards any more, used to be obvious.
|
| Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
| conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
| the show.
|
|
|
| Hey, I'm just waiting for the day when China's workers' pay goes higher
| than America's and then Dongfeng Motor Co. builds a car plant here in
| California next to the Toyota truck plant. We need the business.

Started already. Haier Group, a Chinese company that supplies
appliances to Wal-Mart and other U.S. retailers, recently built a
refrigerator plant in Camden, S.C. I can never get any more details than
that, but there you go.

In article . com,
says...
The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.


How come the **** _nobody_ has expressed concern about the fact the
poelpe are talking about war with CHINA (let's not be coy here) on the
****ing INTERNET?

For God's bloody sake!

In article . net,
says...

It will all boil down to who has more willpower when push comes to
shove. The Chinese are trying to rattle sabers

That's good. If you are in the US, talking of sabre rattling is really
good.

Chinese guy- " 60% of my income comes from America- maybe I should start a
war with them to solve this problem."

Whatever you think of them, they are not stupid.


"Old Nick" wrote in message
.au...
In article . net,
says...

It will all boil down to who has more willpower when push comes to
shove. The Chinese are trying to rattle sabers

That's good. If you are in the US, talking of sabre rattling is really
good.

Old Nick wrote:
: How come the **** _nobody_ has expressed concern about the fact the
: poelpe are talking about war with CHINA (let's not be coy here) on the
: ****ing INTERNET?
--China won't be next. North Korea has that distinction. Iraq
was the dry run. Trouble is I don't think the administration learned
anything from it. I still favor the notion of "bombing" an adversary
with appliances and portable generators to run them. Once they're
hooked we can sell them *our* "drugs", heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The other night I
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : dreamed about wasabi...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Sun, 08 May 2005 17:05:32 GMT, steamer wrote:

I really hope not. It just worries me, given recent history, that
people in the US are talking of war with a scary nation mainly because
of trade differences. We just don't need that.

--China won't be next. North Korea has that distinction. Iraq
was the dry run. Trouble is I don't think the administration learned
anything from it. I still favor the notion of "bombing" an adversary
with appliances and portable generators to run them. Once they're
hooked we can sell them *our* "drugs", heh.

Old Nick nsnsafemail#iinet.net.au wrote:

: I really hope not. It just worries me, given recent history, that
: people in the US are talking of war with a scary nation mainly because
: of trade differences. We just don't need that.
--"We" don't; Bush does. Sigh..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The other night I
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : dreamed about wasabi...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Yep! That and television will keep them poor and dumb!

Tom
"steamer" wrote in message
...
Old Nick wrote:
: How come the **** _nobody_ has expressed concern about the fact the
: poelpe are talking about war with CHINA (let's not be coy here) on the
: ****ing INTERNET?
--China won't be next. North Korea has that distinction. Iraq
was the dry run. Trouble is I don't think the administration learned
anything from it. I still favor the notion of "bombing" an adversary
with appliances and portable generators to run them. Once they're
hooked we can sell them *our* "drugs", heh.

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The other night I
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : dreamed about wasabi...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

On Sun, 08 May 2005 17:05:32 GMT, steamer wrote:

Old Nick wrote:
: How come the **** _nobody_ has expressed concern about the fact the
: poelpe are talking about war with CHINA (let's not be coy here) on the
: ****ing INTERNET?
--China won't be next. North Korea has that distinction. Iraq
was the dry run. Trouble is I don't think the administration learned
anything from it. I still favor the notion of "bombing" an adversary
with appliances and portable generators to run them. Once they're
hooked we can sell them *our* "drugs", heh.

Korea will NOT be next. They are contained. They have about 20 nukes
pointed at one of our strongest allies along with 10,000 or more
artillery pieces zeroed in on Seoul.

Korea will be kept on the back burner for a long time, or until the
management dies or is assassinated.

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill

How come no one makes a big deal about the army's new Stryer being
made in
Canada?

Stryker, isn't it? Nobody's too worried about that because if we
Canadians decided to cut off supply to the Americans, our popgun
military couldn't stop the US from entering and making things go again.
As a former Canadian Prime Minister said, we are the mouse in bed with
the elephant. We have probably twice the land of the US, with one tenth
of the population, and we get squashed regularly when there's any sort
of trade dispute. Right now it's beef, lumber and grain. If we ever get
those solved it'll be something else.
Not that I'm complaining. We would have been overrun by the
Soviets decades ago if it hadn't been for our big brother to the South.
How much is that worth, I wonder?

Dan

Gunner wrote:
: Korea will NOT be next. They are contained. They have about 20 nukes
: pointed at one of our strongest allies along with 10,000 or more
: artillery pieces zeroed in on Seoul.
--Iraq was "contained" too; look what happened there? 'Open a can
of worms', etc; you think the bumpkins in the WH would understand this,
but nooooooooooo...

: Korea will be kept on the back burner for a long time, or until the
: management dies or is assassinated.
--Ideal case yes. Likely? Not so sure..

--
"Steamboat Ed" Haas : The other night I
Hacking the Trailing Edge! : dreamed about wasabi...
http://www.nmpproducts.com/intro.htm
---Decks a-wash in a sea of words---

Old Nick wrote:

In article . com,
says...


The quality of the stuff made in Ch**a looks like it's really going up.
A lot of tools don't have that goofy made in the garage look.
Electronics are really improving fast, I can't tell by looking at the
PC boards any more, used to be obvious.

Made in the US stuff seems to be getting scarcer. The logical
conclusion of this trend doesn't seem to bother too many people who run
the show.




How come the **** _nobody_ has expressed concern about the fact the
poelpe are talking about war with CHINA (let's not be coy here) on the
****ing INTERNET?

For God's bloody sake!


My real fear isn't the war issue, it's the fact that a service economy
is far more prone to ups and downs as markets vary than a goods based
economy. Sure there are goods that people drop purchasing when
economies are on the fritz but there are also lots that still need to be
purchased like clothing, food, housing parts (toilets), maintenance
parts, etc. Service, as we saw in the last couple of years, is easy to
just fire surplus people and adjust to reduced markets.

Encouraging overseas movement (as bush said, it's good for US consumers
if our producers move overseas) means that when we get hit with economic
turndowns, we'll get hit HARD. I forsee big, fast swings instead of
smaller, slower swings. Many US producers are working with after tax
margins in the low single digits. When there is no equalization for US
requirements for pollution controls, unemployment insurance costs,
social security costs, and a host of other things, you just can't
compete. Equalizing those things would instantly about double
competitiveness of US producers. When it only takes a couple of percent
on the bottom line to double your margin, little things make a big
difference.

A service economy is like almost everyone working in a "temp" position.
Today may be good but tomorrow, the rug can be pulled out in an instant.

Koz

wrote in message
ups.com...
How come no one makes a big deal about the army's new Stryer being
made in
Canada?

Stryker, isn't it? Nobody's too worried about that because if we
Canadians decided to cut off supply to the Americans, our popgun
military couldn't stop the US from entering and making things go again.
As a former Canadian Prime Minister said, we are the mouse in bed with
the elephant. We have probably twice the land of the US, with one tenth
of the population, and we get squashed regularly when there's any sort
of trade dispute. Right now it's beef, lumber and grain. If we ever get
those solved it'll be something else.
Not that I'm complaining. We would have been overrun by the
Soviets decades ago if it hadn't been for our big brother to the South.
How much is that worth, I wonder?

Dan


Same problem down here in Aus.Somehow though the Canadians don't seem to get
dragged into the various wars that the US organises every time there is a
downturn in the various military suppliers fortunes. We however, seem to
trot off behind them to such marvellous successes as Viet Nan, Afghanistan,
and Iraq.

On Tue, 10 May 2005 09:15:27 +1000, the renowned "Tom Miller"
wrote:


Same problem down here in Aus.Somehow though the Canadians don't seem to get
dragged into the various wars that the US organises every time there is a
downturn in the various military suppliers fortunes. We however, seem to
trot off behind them to such marvellous successes as Viet Nan, Afghanistan,
and Iraq.

Canada is very definitely in Afghanistan. Many of the police and other
civic employees are being paid directly (not through the UN or other
NGOs) by hundreds of millions of dollars in Canadian taxpayer funds,
and (to a lesser extent) secured by Canadian troops.

The place is still a horrible mess though. And the parts that are not
under control (most of it outside of Kabul) is a narco-state run by
various heavily armed warlords. There are enough weapons there for
years of fairly heavy combat.


Best regards,
Spehro Pefhany
--
"it's the network..." "The Journey is the reward"
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On Mon, 09 May 2005 18:15:43 GMT, steamer wrote:

Gunner wrote:
: Korea will NOT be next. They are contained. They have about 20 nukes
: pointed at one of our strongest allies along with 10,000 or more
: artillery pieces zeroed in on Seoul.
--Iraq was "contained" too; look what happened there? 'Open a can
of worms', etc; you think the bumpkins in the WH would understand this,
but nooooooooooo...


Iraq was hardly contained. Care to discuss any N. Korean equivalent
of the Food for Oil program? No Fly Zone and 12 yrs of constant
firing on US and British aircraft? Is N. Korea a haven for
terrorists?

There is a very long list thatt belies your statements.

Your hatred of Bush and all things Conservative are noted time and
again, and how they taint your world view.


: Korea will be kept on the back burner for a long time, or until the
: management dies or is assassinated.
--Ideal case yes. Likely? Not so sure..

So..what do you think will happen? We going to send in the B-52s to
flatten various areas of N. Korea? And when a nuke detonates over
Seoul, Bush will commit sepuku..right?

Gunner

"War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling
which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight,
nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being
free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself."
- John Stewart Mill