Ignoramus22732 wrote:
It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money.

Why not offer the whole thing to a scrap-metal dealer? When they melt
it down they'll recover the different metals...

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

Yeah, remove any bolts, and start splitting the iron core segments
apart (they are probably alternating meshed E and I pieces). Once you
get the first few out the rest will come easier. I'd use an
appropriately sized screwdriver and hammer...

Is there some particular reason you can't use the UPS as it was
origionally intended? I bought a 14 kva unit on Ebay for $41 and after
$125 for new batteries have unit powering my electronic assembly
pick-and place machine at 230 VAC. I can pull the plug and the machine
just keeps on running.

If it only lacks batteries, it is worth at least $50.

The input/output are changed by internal wiring plus software
parameters.

Just wondering, Paul

Ignoramus22732 wrote:
I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such
as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i

Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about $0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

IOW: they don't want it.

William P.N. Smith wrote in message
...
Ignoramus22732 wrote:
It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money.

Why not offer the whole thing to a scrap-metal dealer? When they melt
it down they'll recover the different metals...

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

Yeah, remove any bolts, and start splitting the iron core segments
apart (they are probably alternating meshed E and I pieces). Once you
get the first few out the rest will come easier. I'd use an
appropriately sized screwdriver and hammer...

If you mean bury it? NO! It is insulated copper probably!

Polysol insulation will burn off, Polythermaleze will burn off with a lot of
heat, Formel insulation will probably not come off with any fire. These
coatings are usually made to withstand severe heat in use.

You could use it for a long wave antenae or how about a lightning collector
to power that 25W bulb for a few seconds with the $100K in equipment to
catch that once in a lifetime strike?...LOL

Wind a huge Tesla coil on your roof and show the neighbours your nuts! (or
drop your pants when they are looking)

Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V from a
single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.

BTW: once you knock the wedge out of the coil form the laminations will be
easier to get out. This keeps them from buzzing until the varnish and other
impregnations go into it.


"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 17:39:05 -0500, Gymy Bob wrote:
Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about
$0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

Can I use this copper as a grounding wire?

i

"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i

This is Turtle.

i , first before starting to take apart this transformer contact your Medical
insurance company and add on a Cancer Policy for you and the family members for
your may need it if you spill any of this liquid at your house or on you. The
transformer oil in not cancer causing stuff till it is used over a year or so
and then it become PCB . the stuff is activated by the electricity going through
it and become a Cancer causing stuff after they have been used. Now here is a
chance to get rid of a unwanted Brother in law or kind folks by just getting
them to take it apart and get the oil on them. In Short order your in the class
of getting cancer soon.

So if you interested in keeping your family safe and not have cancer. You need
to have it hauled off to the Power company work station and dump it out when
they are not looking and they have the means to dispose of it properly. There
maybe $30 or $40 of copper in it but having Cancer will wipe out that profit
real fast.

i , DON"T TOUCH THAT STUFF AND GET RID OF IT.

TURTLE

"TURTLE" wrote in message
...


This is Turtle.

This must be Turtle!


i , first before starting to take apart this transformer contact your
Medical insurance company and add on a Cancer Policy for you and the
family members for your may need it if you spill any of this liquid at
your house or on you.

Turtle, you're about 8 hours too late. Read the rest of the posts. :-)

"Gymy Bob" wrote in message
...
Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about
$0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

IOW: they don't want it.

Wrong! It's worth over $1/lb, and any recycler will gladly accept it.

Harold

Ok, you seem to have made the right decision. I am trying to remember
what the transformer looks like. Is it a toroid or a regular
rectangular shape. I think the transformer on my big unit is a toroid.
I don't know what the core material is. Could be ferrite. I know there
was a bunch of tapped windings.

Are you in an area where you could throw it on a trash fire and burn
out all the insulation. Then you could see what is there. I used to do
this when I lived in Portland, OR and had a wood furnace. Still have
some BIG copper strap from a burned out transformer.

Paul

LOL...good luck with that one! We scrap surplus copper everyday in my
business.

"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Gymy Bob" wrote in message
...
Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about
$0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

IOW: they don't want it.

Wrong! It's worth over $1/lb, and any recycler will gladly accept it.

Harold

Gee wonder what a 8KW UPS is worth?

Probably more than you would get for it's parts at a scrapyard.

Just paid $120 for a 3KW and $100 for a 2.2KW APC rack mount units.
Batteries were bad and sold as such.

Eight new batteries were just over $200 delivered.

Both units are up and running 24 / 7, one at our retail shop and one at our
home both supporting a phone system and two Novell servers each.

Hugh



"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i

wrote:

Are you in an area where you could throw it on a trash fire and burn
out all the insulation. Then you could see what is there. I used to do
this when I lived in Portland, OR and had a wood furnace. Still have
some BIG copper strap from a burned out transformer.


A lot of that stuff is very carcinogenic when burned. The plastic coating on
much of the wire causes great danger to living things when burned. Egg
shells become very thin when the bird has been exposed to the burnt
chemicals, so they break during nesting.

Please don't burn insulated wire or plastic. It's disgusting stuff AND now
illegal in many places.



mike

--
He was the sort of person who stood on mountaintops during thunderstorms in
wet copper armour shouting "All the Gods are *******s."

Terry Pratchett

Ignoramus22732 wrote:

Gymy Bob wrote:

Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V from a
single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.


It has a lot of connectors. I ppulled another, isolation looking
transformer (1:1) from the unit, will probably sell that.

This one looks like a multi voltage unit.

I spent a multitude of hours as a kid taking stuff apart, including
small transformers. (Dry types)
Transformers are one of the least fun things to tear into.

With the size of the copper wire you say it has, it must have a high-amp
output. Is it stepup or stepdown? If stepdown, it could possibly make a
great custom arc or spot welder, or an electroplating supply.

Ken Grunke

Ignoramus22732 wrote:

I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i
Is a three phase unit ? - might be a great unit for two phase to three phase
need or Wye to Delta or voltage to voltage work.

I used to use big ones on machines I wroked and designed on - wish I had one
for just that.

Martin

--
Martin Eastburn, Barbara Eastburn
@ home at Lion's Lair with our computer
NRA LOH, NRA Life
NRA Second Amendment Task Force Charter Founder

On 3 Jan 2005 16:53:08 GMT, Ignoramus22732
wrote:

I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i


Kind of ashame to take it apart, there are probably a lot of tesla
experimenters that would give eye teeth for that xfmr.

If you where close to me I'd buy it off your hands myself.

"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 20:14:06 -0600, TURTLE wrote:

"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i

This is Turtle.

i , first before starting to take apart this transformer contact
your Medical insurance company and add on a Cancer Policy for you
and the family members for your may need it if you spill any of this
liquid at your house or on you. The transformer oil in not cancer
causing stuff till it is used over a year or so and then it become
PCB . the stuff is activated by the electricity going through it and
become a Cancer causing stuff after they have been used. Now here is
a chance to get rid of a unwanted Brother in law or kind folks by
just getting them to take it apart and get the oil on them. In Short
order your in the class of getting cancer soon.

So if you interested in keeping your family safe and not have
cancer. You need to have it hauled off to the Power company work
station and dump it out when they are not looking and they have the
means to dispose of it properly. There maybe $30 or $40 of copper in
it but having Cancer will wipe out that profit real fast.

i , DON"T TOUCH THAT STUFF AND GET RID OF IT.

TURTLE



Thanks Turtle. That is a dry transformer, there is no liquid in it.

i

This is Turtle.

Well if they are dry packs rip them apart.

Use a grinder on the welded seam and a hack saw on the coil packs. If you use a
torch on the case you will get bad vapor from inside.

Check the capasitor out for being dry pack also . The same story for them.

TURTLE

O

Kind of ashame to take it apart, there are probably a lot of tesla
experimenters that would give eye teeth for that xfmr.

If you where close to me I'd buy it off your hands myself.

I dunno. I think that in reality, no one needs these things, a thought
such as "would be nice to play with one" probably crosses minds of a
few people, but not many of those actually want to acquire such a
behemoth.

If you have a reasoned opinion otherwise, maybe you can suggest how I
can try to find people who need it.

I live in Western suburbs of Chicago.

i


Post an add in your local bargainmart or do a web search for tesla
clubs in your area.

If you where in KY I'd buy it, I've been looking for a good deal on a
older pole pig transformer and pole capacitors for a couple years.
Handy if you want to make a rail gun or shrink quarters.

i keep seeing reviews and raves about this naturalisproducts.com and
organiconline.com.sg . many people are discussing in beauty forums and
magazines have positive reviews on this . but this thing ain't new, its
been around for 20 years! anyone tried can feedback to me on exactly
how good it is?



----------------------------------------
quote

can anyone help me please, am looking for the local distributor or any
shop selling the naturalis range of skin and body care products, from
this company http://www.naturalisproducts.com . looking for this
urgently. for those who have not come across it, its some foodbased
anti-aging products. i googled for this and received result
showing its available at http://www.organiconline.com.sg. i need this
urgently but shipping from singapore will take some time, if anyone is
distributing this please contact me at
urgently. i have a group of us looking to buy this. thanks!

"Modat22" wrote in message
...
O

Kind of ashame to take it apart, there are probably a lot of tesla
experimenters that would give eye teeth for that xfmr.

If you where close to me I'd buy it off your hands myself.

I dunno. I think that in reality, no one needs these things, a thought
such as "would be nice to play with one" probably crosses minds of a
few people, but not many of those actually want to acquire such a
behemoth.

If you have a reasoned opinion otherwise, maybe you can suggest how I
can try to find people who need it.

I live in Western suburbs of Chicago.

i


Post an add in your local bargainmart or do a web search for tesla
clubs in your area.

If you where in KY I'd buy it, I've been looking for a good deal on a
older pole pig transformer and pole capacitors for a couple years.
Handy if you want to make a rail gun or shrink quarters.

Amateur radio operators are often into doing interesting things with
electricity. Wiring up the cat....stuff like that. Maybe he could mention it
in a ham radio newsgroup.

Maybe you would be interested in my capacitors then.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/capacitors/

i


Hmm link doesn't work for me.

On Tue, 4 Jan 2005 11:18:00 -0600, "Tim Williams"
wrote:

"Ignoramus28225" wrote in message
...
Maybe you would be interested in my capacitors then.

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/capacitors/

I might want those.

Can't say I have a use for the transformer though (even if I knew the
ratings), it's just too big!

Tim


See this thing has a big contactor in it. If it does you can sell that
on ebay. Also look for large diode packs also a good ebay item. I know
those caps will sell on ebay because I've bought a bunch just like
those for amplifier projects. Hmm might have some big IGBT devices on
there used in the frequency switching circuit another ebay item.

That transformer you can just chisel the windings off. Latter you
might wind a new primary for say 220 and make a great welder or
serious DC power supply.


Another use for that transformer would be for solar houses as a step
up transformer for the battery racks.

In article ,
"TURTLE" wrote:

This is Turtle.

i , first before starting to take apart this transformer contact your
Medical
insurance company and add on a Cancer Policy for you and the family members
for
your may need it if you spill any of this liquid at your house or on you. The
transformer oil in not cancer causing stuff till it is used over a year or so
and then it become PCB . the stuff is activated by the electricity going
through
it and become a Cancer causing stuff after they have been used. Now here is a
chance to get rid of a unwanted Brother in law or kind folks by just getting
them to take it apart and get the oil on them. In Short order your in the
class
of getting cancer soon.

So if you interested in keeping your family safe and not have cancer. You
need
to have it hauled off to the Power company work station and dump it out when
they are not looking and they have the means to dispose of it properly. There
maybe $30 or $40 of copper in it but having Cancer will wipe out that profit
real fast.

i , DON"T TOUCH THAT STUFF AND GET RID OF IT.

TURTLE


and another DUFUS chimes in............ where do these guys live, before
they show up here and display their lack of knowledge.......Maybe we
could send them a CLUE in the mail........



Me

On 4 Jan 2005 19:44:01 GMT, Ignoramus28225
wrote:


See this thing has a big contactor in it. If it does you can sell that
on ebay.

What does that contactor do? What is it?

Its a big relay, a solenoid actuated switch (sorta)


That transformer you can just chisel the windings off. Latter you
might wind a new primary for say 220 and make a great welder or
serious DC power supply.

I am pretty fascinated by the idea of having my own welder. Since
there are many windings on this transformer already, it just might
have one low voltage winding, and with a few big ass diodes I would
have a serious DC power source.

I am now making a subpanel in my garage, so, it would all fit with
having my own welding machine. Of course, I need to learn a lot about
what is involved in welding equipment. Great idea.


You'll probably have to wind another primary sized for the welding
load.

On the secondary side you might be using something like #4 or bigger
wire, and you'll have to add an inductor.

Look around on the web you should be able to use that transformer form
for something really cool and dangerous

Ignoramus28225 wrote:

I am pretty fascinated by the idea of having my own welder. Since
there are many windings on this transformer already, it just might
have one low voltage winding, and with a few big ass diodes I would
have a serious DC power source.

I am now making a subpanel in my garage, so, it would all fit with
having my own welding machine. Of course, I need to learn a lot about
what is involved in welding equipment. Great idea.

Welding is a skill that takes time and
preferably instruction to master. I
suggest that if you want to learn how to
weld, you take a community college course.

The transformer is probably sized to make
a decent welder, but the task is not trivial.
You'll have to figure out the turns ratio,
calculate the size of wire and number of
turns for the new secondary, wind it, probably
make an inductor and deal with the leads.

So, one thing at a time. Learn to weld,
research building your own welder and go
from there. Don't try to do it all at
once.

Doug Kanter wrote:

A small but vocal group of citizens in upstate NY is lobbying for a law
which allows the shooting of people at campsites who spend an entire weekend
burning plastic shopping bags. :-)


Where do I send the contribution? They may need more ammo.



mike

LOL. These are standard electrolytic capacitors and have no PCBs in them!

However the metal cans at the back may have. Careful with them.

"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 03 Jan 2005 23:32:25 -0600, Ken Grunke
wrote:
Ignoramus22732 wrote:

Gymy Bob wrote:

Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V
from a
single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.


It has a lot of connectors. I ppulled another, isolation looking
transformer (1:1) from the unit, will probably sell that.

This one looks like a multi voltage unit.

I spent a multitude of hours as a kid taking stuff apart, including
small transformers. (Dry types) Transformers are one of the least
fun things to tear into.

Could not agree more. Pictures of both transformers (the big one and
the isolation one) are at

http://igor.chudov.com/tmp/capacitors/

I just uploaded them.


With the size of the copper wire you say it has, it must have a high-amp
output. Is it stepup or stepdown? If stepdown, it could possibly make a
great custom arc or spot welder, or an electroplating supply.

I have no idea if it is step up or stepdown, looks like it is for many
things.

i

Friend of mine used to harvest the coils off the back of picture tubes from
TV's. He'd smash the black iron out with a hammer, and compact t he copper
parts.

--

Christopher A. Young
This space intentionally left blank
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"Ignoramus22732" wrote in message
...
I am demolishing a huge 8 kVa UPS. Lots of nice wires, screws etc.

It has a large transformer, it weighs around 200 lbs. It comes from a
that 8 KVA Ferrups UPS. There is a super heavy square shaped copper
wire on it, which, I fancy, could sell for some money. This wire is
something like 3x8 mm in cross section. Very heavy stuff. So, if I
somehow manage to pull the transformer apart, I would, first, able to
throw the steel part to garbage, and second, to get and sell copper
wire. i would also keep some of this copper wire for home uses such as
grounding wire for my generator.

Without taking it apart I will not be able to do anything with this
monstrosity, not even throw it away.

This is a specialty transformer with lots of contacts, so I do not
think that I could sell it. (another, smaller like 50 lbs transformer
is an isolation transformer which I hope to sell for at least
something. Also, there are 8 1.2 farad capacitors)

So... How do I take it apart? It was assembled from steel plates, can
it be therefore disassembled?

i

"Gymy Bob" wrote in message
...
LOL...good luck with that one! We scrap surplus copper everyday in my
business.

Speaking from the position of a guy that, as a kid, did one hell of a lot of
copper wire recycling------that's how I made my money-------------------

For someone that claims to be recycling copper on a daily basis, you don't
appear to know much about copper. *ANY* copper wire that is used for
electrical purposes is electrolytically refined copper. It must have
excellent electrical properties in order to be used, and also to be drawn
successfully. It is by the electrolytic refining that copper attains that
level of quality. It's also necessary for the refinery, for copper, as
extracted from ores, is typically the carrier of other elements, many of
which are valuable (gold, silver, platinum, palladium, etc.) and it is in
the electrolytic process that they are recovered. It would be absurd, at
best, to assume that copper wire isn't pure, unless it is alloyed to
specifics for a given purpose.

If, in the process of making connections, the copper has tinned ends, the
copper is used in the brass industry for alloying to their specifications,
so the recycling market still has a keen interest in buying it. There
is *always* a market for recycled copper, it is never worthless as you
suggest. If you're not getting paid near market price, it's your own
shortcoming that is preventing you from doing so. You're being taken for a
ride and don't know it. Maybe you need to step up to the plate and get an
education.

If you have anything in the way of links to lead me to information contrary
to this, feel free to provide them. I'm not interested in your opinion.
You've already shown us that you don't have a grasp on reality and don't
know what the hell you're talking about.

Harold

Send to:
"Bob"
Tent Site 118
Nick's Lake State Park
Old Forge NY

ROFL!


"m II" wrote in message
news:ceICd.55241$KO5.32805@clgrps13...
Doug Kanter wrote:

A small but vocal group of citizens in upstate NY is lobbying for a law
which allows the shooting of people at campsites who spend an entire
weekend burning plastic shopping bags. :-)


Where do I send the contribution? They may need more ammo.



mike

Ignoramus584 wrote:

That's my guess. Depending on the windings, your transformer may be welder
ready right now!


Wow, that would be interesting. I told my wife that I might make a
welder out of that transformer, she displayed relatively little
reaction.

In other words: the hypothesis is that the transformer is designed to
saturate so that the output on the secondary winding is limited by
that. If this hypothesis is true, then, I can weld using current from
the small secondary winding.


Some possible ideas:

http://home8.inet.tele.dk/jan_p/welder/mig1.htm
http://www.dansworkshop.com/Homebuil...20welder.shtml

Two car batteries can do this. You would make a...power supply...going full
circle...
http://www.rockmodified.com/2003/apr...er/welder.html

Some reading to expand on what the previous poster has said concerning
transformers.
http://www.ee-one.com/new-5788474-4313.html

This cute..and cheap. I like the variable output set up. A speed controller
for a fan motor may be better. It's an inductive load. Sadly, there is NO
transformer. Some big automotive alternators put out between one and two
HUNDRED amps. Around the house, you're lucky to need seventy or eighty.
With a gas engine, you could use this for a portable battery charger.

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/... postid=94078

http://snipurl.com/bsv4


which was found he

http://www.turbomustangs.com/forums/... threadid=9099

http://snipurl.com/bsv2

You'd have to add a high frequency superimposed wave to the output for
welding aluminium, though. A flow guage is nice to have for the gas..



I hope this guy never gets seduced by the dark side of the force..long
download but worth it.

http://www.zalp.com/photolog.htm



mike

--
A few GymyBobisms..the saga continues:
======================================

At 11.6 volts a 12v battery is about 50-70% charged still.

Polish solar panels are what americans called "flashlights"

Propane will disapate and freeze when it evaporates.

Gasoline is not nearly as volatile as hydrogen.

Many people have browsers that economize the download

Let's say youre solar cell was trying to put out
14.3 volts DC and you stuck a 10 ohm meter in series with a charged 13.8
volt DC battery.

This is power grid induction through capacitive proximity

A thought I have is rain water from a roof on a three story home through a
micro-turbine.

Breakers are good for one time usage of one fault and then they need to be
replaced for any warrantied usage.

If the breaker interupts a fault, it should be replaced.No warranty will
honoured after that.

I don't have a link at this time

There are no hydrogen molecules in water and the oxygen in water isn't
flammable either.

NiCads and NiMh batterries are designed to take a current charge forever.

Did they have electricity back in 1994?

I have been around so long with this stuff I believe I invented the diode in
1941 but I am not familiar with the solar panel usage requirements of them.
(no P & N substrate explanations please. I wrote the GE manual...LOL)

NOTE: do not pass ground wires through metal holes or cable clamps with two
screws on a metal surface.

There is **NOT*** enough energy in a lightning bolt to power your house for
more than an hour...if that. Do the math.
The figures escape me but let's say it puts out a roughly MWatt of power for
100 nanoseconds?
100 x 10-9 x 1 x 106 / 3600 (sec/hr) = 0.0027 wH
oooops.... Wouldn't light your home for a 1/2 second.
OK..OK.. multiply the figures time 100 or 1000. Now it would light a 100W
bulb for 1 second.

The IEEE-232 standards were never followed or known by many.

Fossil fuels are still renewable and being cxreated as we speak.

Children are venerially created.

If you want to discuss this then fine, otherwise go **** yourself like your
mother did.

Can you let go of my dick before it explodes on ya, goofball?

Petroleum is not related to Natural gas.

I would rather work at my $100/hour job than at chopping wood for hours to
save $3/hour

I have no license, I wire and inspect other's wiring for a job and work for
a medium size electrical utility.

The majority prefers top posting.

Get your tear ducts flushed by a knowledgeable optometrist.

Not many materials have the huge exponential resistance/heat curve aluminum
does. Overload doesn't make it glow like copper...it flashes and explodes.

A bathroom fan motor would never push hot air down ten feet or cold up ten
feet.

Bathroom fans have a hard time pushing 55 cfm through a 3-4" pipe 20
horizontal feet. They are made to vent smells and humid air horizontally
only.

Why not spend the money on a contract with the grid company and get an
exclusive line to your house and never have brownouts.

Usenet rules dictate top posting for readability

Many cell modems are set up to filter bottom posts out.

Cell modems do not cut off anything.

What security flaws. (refering to Outlook Express)

Bottom posting was the was in the 70s and 80s before threading browsers were
available cheap (like OE)

What is a PMW?

10 pounds per gallon Imperial. That gallon is totally unique to the
US....ooops..I think all gallons are unique to the US now.

The copper isn't worth more than 5 cents per pound. It is classed a mixed
copper and nobody wants it.

Hey moron! The copper is considered "mixed" copper and is worth about $0.02
per pound, if he seperates it all.

Just don't ever lose weight. Toxins are stored in your fat cells.

Did you know, **NO***, I repeat ***NO*** death has ever been related to
PCBs?

Insulated square copper wires from a dry transformer are not 99% copper and
take a lot of work to remove the insulation.

I have tonnes of insulated copper wire if you want it. I think you could
almost have for the picking it up. How many bins can you take per year

Can't this tranformer be used by somebody to generate a second 120V from a
single phase 120V inverter? It sounds pretty beefy.

BTW: once you knock the wedge out of the coil form the laminations will be
easier to get out. This keeps them from buzzing until the varnish and other
impregnations go into it.

All you guys have a bad Christmas or Jewish and didn't see Santa or something?

You sure spent a lot of time trying to convince me you don't knwo what I am
talking about...LOL

You obviously know nothing about scrap metals. The purity of the copper is
not related to the price. It is the purity of the mix. Copper with anything
mixed in with it or bonded to it is classed as "mixed copper". You may have
to pay the scrapper to haul it away.


"Harold & Susan Vordos" wrote in message
...

"Gymy Bob" wrote in message
...
LOL...good luck with that one! We scrap surplus copper everyday in my
business.

Speaking from the position of a guy that, as a kid, did one hell of a lot
of
copper wire recycling------that's how I made my money-------------------

For someone that claims to be recycling copper on a daily basis, you don't
appear to know much about copper. *ANY* copper wire that is used for
electrical purposes is electrolytically refined copper. It must have
excellent electrical properties in order to be used, and also to be drawn
successfully. It is by the electrolytic refining that copper attains
that
level of quality. It's also necessary for the refinery, for copper, as
extracted from ores, is typically the carrier of other elements, many of
which are valuable (gold, silver, platinum, palladium, etc.) and it is in
the electrolytic process that they are recovered. It would be absurd, at
best, to assume that copper wire isn't pure, unless it is alloyed to
specifics for a given purpose.

If, in the process of making connections, the copper has tinned ends, the
copper is used in the brass industry for alloying to their specifications,
so the recycling market still has a keen interest in buying it.
There
is *always* a market for recycled copper, it is never worthless as you
suggest. If you're not getting paid near market price, it's your own
shortcoming that is preventing you from doing so. You're being taken for
a
ride and don't know it. Maybe you need to step up to the plate and get
an
education.

If you have anything in the way of links to lead me to information
contrary
to this, feel free to provide them. I'm not interested in your opinion.
You've already shown us that you don't have a grasp on reality and don't
know what the hell you're talking about.

Harold

"Gymy Bob" wrote in message
...
You sure spent a lot of time trying to convince me you don't knwo what I
am
talking about...LOL

You obviously know nothing about scrap metals. The purity of the copper is
not related to the price. It is the purity of the mix. Copper with
anything
mixed in with it or bonded to it is classed as "mixed copper". You may
have
to pay the scrapper to haul it away.


Uh huh.

yawn.

Harold

Ignoramus7928 wrote:

Thanks Mike, super interesting stuff.

....blush...





mike


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The trouble with people is not that they don't know but that they know so
much that ain't so.

~Josh Billings