On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:12:00 -0600, wrote:

I just came home from a Menards store. I needed to buy another
livestock watering tank. The store only had one 70 gallon and one 100
gallon tank in stock. Both were stored outdoors. The temperature is
zero today. I decided to take the 70 gallon one, paid for it, and
went outside to the lot to get it. Now. you tell me why they had them
on the shelves with the OPEN

It's a good thing I didn't buy the 100 gallon one. That one was about
12 feet up on the shelf, and since it did not have other items above
it, like the one I bought, and was on the top shelf, I have a feeling
that one was entirely filled with ice. There is no way we could have
lifted that.

Well, I would have looked at the tank first, then knowing that the
100 gallon one was probably more full, I'd have bought that one and
had the joy of watching those workers sweat pulling it down.

this is just plain assenine. If I weren't for the fact that I needed
the tank immediately, they would have lost a sale, and I would have
gone elsewhere to buy one. But then too, could I have found one?

Possibly, should check the phone book.

This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas

This is called "Seasonal" items Like lawnmowers, chippers, and such.
You're more likely to buy them during the time they are normally used,
instead of those "Rare" occasions.

Of course, why not go back to Mennys and buy one there instead?

wrote in
:

This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are
full of Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont
stock "normal" items. Last week I was at Walmart and
decided to buy another garden hose, since I had one break.
I bought a hose at Walmart during the summer and found it
to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the price.
Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single
hose. I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who
said they do have them in storage, but can not get to them,
until all the Christmas merchandise is gone. Well, excuse
me..... I have nothing against Christmas decorations, but
my animals need water 365 days a year. They dont stop
drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all year
round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I
break one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait
until all the Christmas decorations are put away. Even the
local farm supply store is lacking in farm items, but well
stocked with Christmas decorations. They were out of
electric fence gate handles the other day, and those things
break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time
of year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very
inconsiderate to their customers and it really ****es me
off !

because hoses, lawnmowers, rakes & shovels are "seasonal"
items. it would be a waste of the stores shelf space to stock
certain items year round. do you also bitch when you can't buy
a string of lights in July? i doubt it.
it seems shortsighted not to have an extra hose or two around
anyway. as you say, it's something we use year round, so buy a
couple at the end of season sales & you'll have them in the
winter when you let your freeze... (we blow ours out with a
compressor after filling the stock tanks. haven't had a freeze
or burst since we started doing it & it gets -50F here
sometimes. we can always get water through.
also, those easily broken plastic gate handles? ever think
they are probably sold out because you aren't the only one
breaking them? sometimes items get backordered & it's not the
farm stores fault they run out. just keep spares on hand or
use gaffer tape.
you have to be responsible for your own inventory of tools,
instead of getting ****ed at the store.
lee

enigma wrote:
wrote in
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This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are
full of Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont
stock "normal" items. Last week I was at Walmart and
decided to buy another garden hose, since I had one break.
I bought a hose at Walmart during the summer and found it
to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the price.
Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single
hose. I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who
said they do have them in storage, but can not get to them,
until all the Christmas merchandise is gone. Well, excuse
me..... I have nothing against Christmas decorations, but
my animals need water 365 days a year. They dont stop
drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all year
round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I
break one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait
until all the Christmas decorations are put away. Even the
local farm supply store is lacking in farm items, but well
stocked with Christmas decorations. They were out of
electric fence gate handles the other day, and those things
break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time
of year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very
inconsiderate to their customers and it really ****es me
off !


because hoses, lawnmowers, rakes & shovels are "seasonal"
items. it would be a waste of the stores shelf space to stock
certain items year round.

that depends on where you are.
While our lawn does grow slower in winter, it still needs to be mowed.
Also, winter usually means drought here.

Maren, in HI.
(usually no ice below 10,000 ft, but we do get snow in July on occasion
too, above 10,000ft)

You must be a conservative. WEll spoken, friend.

--

Christopher A. Young
Keep Jesus Christ in CHRISTmas
www.lds.org
www.mormons.com


"enigma" wrote in message
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because hoses, lawnmowers, rakes & shovels are "seasonal"
items. it would be a waste of the stores shelf space to stock
certain items year round. do you also bitch when you can't buy
a string of lights in July? i doubt it.
it seems shortsighted not to have an extra hose or two around
anyway. as you say, it's something we use year round, so buy a
couple at the end of season sales & you'll have them in the
winter when you let your freeze... (we blow ours out with a
compressor after filling the stock tanks. haven't had a freeze
or burst since we started doing it & it gets -50F here
sometimes. we can always get water through.
also, those easily broken plastic gate handles? ever think
they are probably sold out because you aren't the only one
breaking them? sometimes items get backordered & it's not the
farm stores fault they run out. just keep spares on hand or
use gaffer tape.
you have to be responsible for your own inventory of tools,
instead of getting ****ed at the store.
lee

wrote in message
...

WHY, WHY, WHY don't they put them on
the shelves upside down? It don't take a rocket scientist to figure
that out????


I bet they don't have too many common sense types let alone rocket scientist
types working there.




This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas
merchandise is gone. Well, excuse me..... I have nothing against
Christmas decorations, but my animals need water 365 days a year.
They dont stop drinking at Christmas.

The old time hardware store that might have gone out of business when
Wal-Mart and Menards came to town probably had hoses in stock year round.




I also use my manure fork all
year round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I break
one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait until all the
Christmas decorations are put away. Even the local farm supply store
is lacking in farm items, but well stocked with Christmas decorations.
They were out of electric fence gate handles the other day, and those
things break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time of
year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very inconsiderate
to their customers and it really ****es me off !


What gets me is the Christmas stuff arrives tight after school starts.

--

Roger Shoaf

About the time I had mastered getting the toothpaste back in the tube, then
they come up with this striped stuff.

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:12:00 -0600, scribbled
this interesting note:

This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas
merchandise is gone. Well, excuse me..... I have nothing against
Christmas decorations, but my animals need water 365 days a year.
They dont stop drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all
year round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I break
one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait until all the
Christmas decorations are put away. Even the local farm supply store
is lacking in farm items, but well stocked with Christmas decorations.
They were out of electric fence gate handles the other day, and those
things break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time of
year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very inconsiderate
to their customers and it really ****es me off

Simple. Stop buying things from Wal-Mart and go to a real store that
carries things you need all year 'round!


--
John Willis
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

"John Willis" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:12:00 -0600, scribbled
this interesting note:

This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas
merchandise is gone. Well, excuse me..... I have nothing against
Christmas decorations, but my animals need water 365 days a year.
They dont stop drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all
year round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I break
one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait until all the
Christmas decorations are put away. Even the local farm supply store
is lacking in farm items, but well stocked with Christmas decorations.
They were out of electric fence gate handles the other day, and those
things break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time of
year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very inconsiderate
to their customers and it really ****es me off

Simple. Stop buying things from Wal-Mart and go to a real store that
carries things you need all year 'round!


--
John Willis
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

Bottom line is, customers will put up with rude clerks and poor service
rather than pay a reasonable price at a full service local hardware store.

Bob

"rck" wrote in message
ink.net...


Bottom line is, customers will put up with rude clerks and poor service
rather than pay a reasonable price at a full service local hardware store.

Bob

Thats what made me wonder about this thread. The OP was annoyed at how big
box stores operate but probably helped put the local store out of business.

"George" wrote in message
...

"rck" wrote in message
ink.net...


Bottom line is, customers will put up with rude clerks and poor service
rather than pay a reasonable price at a full service local hardware
store.

Bob

Thats what made me wonder about this thread. The OP was annoyed at how big
box stores operate but probably helped put the local store out of
business.



Hey! You stop injecting facts into this discussion RIGHT THIS MINUTE! :-)

wrote:

I just came home from a Menards store.rant snipped


Mark

Just keep repeating to yourself:

1. "Common sense isn't very common"

2. "That's why I'm where I'm at and they're where their at."

3. "If they were all as smart as me the competition would be much fiercer."

and stuff like that....

My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

Jeff
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 11:21:16 -0500, Jeff Wisnia
scribbled this interesting note:


My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

Next time, if you patronize the same establishment, I guess you'll
have to be a bit more specific since clear thought seems to be in
short supply there!:~)


--
John Willis
(Remove the Primes before e-mailing me)

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message

My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.

"Fran" wrote in message
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"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message

My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.

Not everyone can sew.

I assume you can change sparkplugs, etc... and never pay anyone for any
services that you could do yourself? Must be nice to bake your own bread and
weave your own carpets.

Noozer wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message


My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.


Not everyone can sew.

I assume you can change sparkplugs, etc... and never pay anyone for any
services that you could do yourself? Must be nice to bake your own bread and
weave your own carpets.



Saw this and just stepped in. Anybody can sew a button on.
May not want too, but it'll take a long time before my
wife does it for me. And no, I don't pay anyone for doing
stuff I can do, especially plumbing stuff that takes 15
minutes and cost a pittance compared to $100 for a plumber
and a week wait. Yeah and anybody can bake bread. All it
takes is a $35 bread making machine. Now weaving carpets?
Got some Navajo rugs, you know how long it takes to weave
a rug?

"George E. Cawthon" wrote in message
Noozer wrote:
"Fran" wrote in message
...

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message


My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to
make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that
out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.


Not everyone can sew.

I assume you can change sparkplugs, etc... and never pay anyone for any
services that you could do yourself? Must be nice to bake your own bread
and
weave your own carpets.



Saw this and just stepped in. Anybody can sew a button on.
May not want too, but it'll take a long time before my
wife does it for me. And no, I don't pay anyone for doing
stuff I can do, especially plumbing stuff that takes 15
minutes and cost a pittance compared to $100 for a plumber
and a week wait. Yeah and anybody can bake bread. All it
takes is a $35 bread making machine. Now weaving carpets?
Got some Navajo rugs, you know how long it takes to weave
a rug?

Yes!

Pleased to meet you George. It's simply delightful to know that there are
still some people around who haven't atrophied into a blob of do
nothingness!

"Noozer" wrote in
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"Fran" wrote in message

t.au...
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message

My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts
at the cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please
replace a lost collar button on one shirt when I left
them off. I glanced at the shirt to make sure they'd
done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on
was about 50% larger in diameter than the other one.
When I pointed that out to the clerk she didn't seem to
think it mattered, and said, "So what, it works doesen't
it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being
****ed off.

Not everyone can sew.

I assume you can change sparkplugs, etc... and never pay
anyone for any services that you could do yourself? Must be
nice to bake your own bread and weave your own carpets.

oh geeez! you don't have to know how to sew to put a button
back on. even my 4 year old can thread a needle & sew a
button! or you can get a Buttonaire that uses plastic ties
like on hangtags in stores. it's not only a simple thing, it's
not time consuming.

and, yes, as a matter of fact, i *can* change sparkplugs,
bake bread (another project my 4 year old can do) & weave my
own carpets... i can rebuild engines & knit too...
lee

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being
****ed off.

Not everyone can sew.

I assume you can change sparkplugs, etc... and never pay
anyone for any services that you could do yourself? Must be
nice to bake your own bread and weave your own carpets.

oh geeez! you don't have to know how to sew to put a button
back on. even my 4 year old can thread a needle & sew a
button! or you can get a Buttonaire that uses plastic ties
like on hangtags in stores. it's not only a simple thing, it's
not time consuming.

and, yes, as a matter of fact, i *can* change sparkplugs,
bake bread (another project my 4 year old can do) & weave my
own carpets... i can rebuild engines & knit too...

And do you bitch whenever your four year old decided to use storebought
bread instead of baking a loaf when she's hungry?

Just because someone CAN do something doesn't mean they SHOULD do something.

ie, It's cheaper for Bill Gates to walk past a $50 bill on the sidewalk than
to spend the 15 seconds to stop, bend over, and pick it up.

"enigma" wrote in message

and, yes, as a matter of fact, i *can*
bake bread (another project my 4 year old can do)

Do you add bread improver when you bake your bread? I do and find it makes
a real difference to the quality of the bread (does rise as quickly or as
high if I don't use it). I have been told that this is just Vitamin C
powder but still don't know if that is right. Would you (or the 4 year old)
have any idea about this?

"Noozer" wrote in message
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"Fran" wrote in message
...
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message

My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost
collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to
make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that
out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

And you can't put on your own button???????????????

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.

Not everyone can sew.

If one can hold a needle then there is absolutely no reason why one cannot
sew on a button.

Fran wrote:

If one can hold a needle then there is absolutely no reason why one cannot
sew on a button.

Carpal tunnel problems can play hell with that. I end up holding the
needle with a pair of pliers.

Fran wrote:

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message


My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

Redux: Picked up that shirt yesterday, now with two matching buttons on
it, and received a profuse apology from the shop's owner.


And you can't put on your own button???????????????

Yes I can, but I don't *have to* anymore......Nor do I have to clean my
own house, or haul my own trash to our town's dump. I was smart enough
and ambitious enought to aquire enough money over the last 50 years so
that now I can help out younger folks in lesser stations who haven't
"made it" yet by giving them employment doing things like that.

I prefer to spend my limited spare time on Rotary Club projects which
benefit other folks so that I can feel good by doing good. You got a
problem with that Fran?

I regard that as being both lazy and deserving of being ****ed off.

And, judging from that remark of yours I strongly suspect that some
strange accident has completely reversed your entire ailementary canal.

Plonk!

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

And, judging from that remark of yours I strongly suspect that some
strange accident has completely reversed your entire ailementary canal.

Don't take it too personally Jeff. Be glad you don't live next door
to her, or worse, married to her.

__________________________________________________ _____________________
SteveM

Stephen Moore wrote:

And, judging from that remark of yours I strongly suspect that some
strange accident has completely reversed your entire ailementary canal.


Don't take it too personally Jeff. Be glad you don't live next door
to her, or worse, married to her.

__________________________________________________ _____________________
SteveM


Naw, you misunderstood me Steve. I just figured that given the part of
the world it was posted from, maybe things had a propensity for becoming
inverted and reversed.

How did you adevine that Fran is a she? The best damn nanny we had when
the kids were small was named Fran. He was a guy named Francis, and very
much a man. G

Back to the thread now:

I am very ****ed at the inconsideration of store employees who lock the
entrance door several minutes before the closing time posted on that
door. That sometimes happens just as I'm striding toward it, having
probably driven a bit too recklessly through exasperating traffic
conditions for the past twenty minutes to get there, and exhaling a sigh
of relief thinking that I'd "made it" in time to buy that one thing I
desparately needed.

Pointing at my (accurate) watch and gesturing is fruitless, I'm know I'm
not gonna get what I came for.

Yeah, I understand they want to finish their work and get home, so why
not post a closing time 15 minutes earlier and then keep the doors
unlocked 5 minutes past that time so people like me don't feel they're
being shat on?

My uncle Schlomo would have kept his shop open till the next day if
customers were still heading toward the door. Course it was *his* store
and that's what makes the difference. Just try telling a store employee
that the people he's "working for" are really the customers, not the
store's managers. Chances are he/she won't understand what you're saying.

A close second for the annoyance award are the shopkeepers who are too
lazy or dumb to take down the "OPEN" signs in their windows when they
close up. You don't find out the place is closed until after you've
hunted around for five minutes to finally find a parking space a block
away, then then hoof it over to the locked store in a pouring rainstorm.
Arrgh!

Happy HGolidays all!
--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

"Stephen Moore" wrote in message

And, judging from that remark of yours I strongly suspect that some
strange accident has completely reversed your entire ailementary canal.

Don't take it too personally Jeff. Be glad you don't live next door
to her, or worse, married to her.

Wash your mouth out Stephen!

I was fussy about who I married and I chose wisely and well and we have been
happy together for more that 30 years. I didn't choose a sloth who can't
sew on his own button nor one who thinks that merely because we have managed
to climb up the dung pile and have reached a technical millionarie status
that we (or he) can become lazy and not do our/his own dirty work.

Jeff Wisnia posted for all of us....


My prize ****off for yesterday was picking up my shirts at the
cleaner/laundry after having asked them to please replace a lost collar
button on one shirt when I left them off. I glanced at the shirt to make
sure they'd done it and saw that the button they grabbed to sew on was
about 50% larger in diameter than the other one. When I pointed that out
to the clerk she didn't seem to think it mattered, and said, "So what,
it works doesen't it?"

Jeff

Rip off the small button and take it back. 1/3 chance of big button**a
match, 1/3 of another small button**different match, or 1/3 chance of
something completely different.
--
Tekkie

Did you ask if they had a forklift? Most of the farm and home stores
around here do, they could have used that to move the tanks up on the
rack.

Personally, I would have flipped the tank over and tried to get the ice
out that way. Of course if it was one of the metal tanks with the
ridged sides and the lip on top, it probably wouldn't have worked. I
like the Rubbermaid tanks, stepped sides so you can flip them over and
the ice just drops out even if frozen solid.

- Tim

On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 04:12:00 -0600, maradclif wrote:

WHY, WHY, WHY don't they put them on
the shelves upside down? It don't take a rocket scientist to figure
that out????

So, why not have it put in your truck upside down? Let the ice melt
enough for it to drop down on the bed, lift the tank off, remove tailgate,
back down an incline at a sprightly speed, and jam on the brakes?

Hi,

This should be a good lesson for you! Keep spares..

I admit that sometime you run out of spares. But if you replace your stock
before it gets to low then you most probably won't have an emergency.

I try to keep my fence items on hand. Those dam animals don't know anything
about material science. Plastic does get brittle as the temp goes down but
the animal doesn't.

As for the quality of store personnel, we as a nation expect something for
nothing generally, Walmart is a good example. The price of items is
reflected by the support people needed to provide said items. So if you buy
from a Walmart, Menards' or where ever. You should expect to get service
that is reflected by the price you pay.

The class of people who work at the bargain price stores/suppliers tends to
be a younger non-experienced person. Some are just working to get by while
others are just working while still in school. Sure occasionally you will
get a older person who is just working to supplement the retirement income,
who might have some experience in the area. Even then you cannot depend on
that!

I see our local TSC is advertising for help with farm experience. Most
farmers I know don't have time to work in TSC or the like for the
advertised wages. Lot of the younger experienced hands wouldn't work for
that wage either. So they hire a person who has never worked on a farm let
alone step onto one.

I do not expect much from the clerks. I just want one that can point me to
the item I am requesting. Or get the item from stock. Even at this level it
can be a demanding task. Simple example, I was at the store in the cheese
section looking for some fetta. I asked a store clerk if they stocked it.
He said 'What's that?'. I explained what fetta cheese was and he had to go
to his supervisor (older about 45'ish). He didn't know! he called the deli
department. Sure enough it was stocked there about 100 feet away. Sure not
in their department but the idea of someone that works in a dairy
department doesn't know about dairy is absurd. But education for ones duty
is not necessary if all you do is move items from a cooler too the shelf.

Same goes for any area of the work place. Most people will do enough to just
get by. As another poster stated about the mom & pop hardware store. They
would go out of their way to help you. If they could provide something the
clerks would find a way to get the desired item or point you to another
provider if all else fails.


Regards and God speed,

Gary

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What bugs me to no end these days is going to a store like Home Depot
or Lowe's and, IF you can find somebody to help you, it's somebody
pretending to be Bob Vila, when in reality he doesn't know which end of
a hammer to hit the nail with. I do NOT mind if he just says, "I don't
know."

Once I was in Home Depot looking for a tube of caulking. I wanted the
kind that goes around the edge of a bathtub. Not around the floor, but
the upper rim, where it gets wet. Of course, it needed to be
waterproof. So this dingbat walks up and I ask him, "are you very
experienced with caulking?" and he blares, "oh, yes sir, absolutely,
what can I help you with?" I told him, and he scratches his chin, looks
around and pulls out a tube of Liquid Nails!

He stood there frowning and studying the lable for a couple of minutes
(while I'm just STANDING there), and finally said, "well this would
probably work... see, it says 'water resistant' right here....
anything else I can help you with today?"

I just walked off. I have this vivid mental image of that guy caulking
his bathtub with Liquid Nails..

Ron M.

Ron M. wrote:
What bugs me to no end these days is going to a store like Home Depot
or Lowe's and, IF you can find somebody to help you, it's somebody
pretending to be Bob Vila, when in reality he doesn't know which end
of
a hammer to hit the nail with. I do NOT mind if he just says, "I
don't
know."

From another perspective: I worked with tools all my life and am a
pretty good handiman. After retirement I worked in Lowes ToolWorld for
a while. When customers learned that I actually knew what I was talking
about, they wouldn't let anyone else but me help them. I even had
customers ask me to follow them to other departments to help them. Not
that I was that smart or good, but I never tried to BS them and they
appreciated it.

Bob S.

"Bob S." wrote in message
oups.com...

Ron M. wrote:
What bugs me to no end these days is going to a store like Home Depot
or Lowe's and, IF you can find somebody to help you, it's somebody
pretending to be Bob Vila, when in reality he doesn't know which end
of
a hammer to hit the nail with. I do NOT mind if he just says, "I
don't
know."

From another perspective: I worked with tools all my life and am a
pretty good handiman. After retirement I worked in Lowes ToolWorld for
a while. When customers learned that I actually knew what I was talking
about, they wouldn't let anyone else but me help them. I even had
customers ask me to follow them to other departments to help them. Not
that I was that smart or good, but I never tried to BS them and they
appreciated it.

Bob S.


There used to be a guy like that at Dick's Sporting Goods in the fishing
department. Must've been a mistake, putting an actual fishing addict in that
department. The guy was amazing. Some suit at the home office must've found
out that he was selling people 3 times more lures than they came in for,
showing them the best knots to use with the products, and writing down
locations where he'd had some luck catching fish. They moved him to the
clothing department.

Doug Kanter posted for all of us....


There used to be a guy like that at Dick's Sporting Goods in the fishing
department. Must've been a mistake, putting an actual fishing addict in that
department. The guy was amazing. Some suit at the home office must've found
out that he was selling people 3 times more lures than they came in for,
showing them the best knots to use with the products, and writing down
locations where he'd had some luck catching fish. They moved him to the
clothing department.

He's now in charge of the fur lined jock straps...
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And trying to pry his naked wife off the tub?

--

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Keep Jesus Christ in CHRISTmas
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www.mormons.com


"Ron M." wrote in message
oups.com...
What bugs me to no end these days is going to a store like Home Depot
or Lowe's and, IF you can find somebody to help you, it's somebody
pretending to be Bob Vila, when in reality he doesn't know which end of
a hammer to hit the nail with. I do NOT mind if he just says, "I don't
know."

Once I was in Home Depot looking for a tube of caulking. I wanted the
kind that goes around the edge of a bathtub. Not around the floor, but
the upper rim, where it gets wet. Of course, it needed to be
waterproof. So this dingbat walks up and I ask him, "are you very
experienced with caulking?" and he blares, "oh, yes sir, absolutely,
what can I help you with?" I told him, and he scratches his chin, looks
around and pulls out a tube of Liquid Nails!

He stood there frowning and studying the lable for a couple of minutes
(while I'm just STANDING there), and finally said, "well this would
probably work... see, it says 'water resistant' right here....
anything else I can help you with today?"

I just walked off. I have this vivid mental image of that guy caulking
his bathtub with Liquid Nails..

Ron M.

Gary posted for all of us....


I do not expect much from the clerks. I just want one that can point me to
the item I am requesting. Or get the item from stock. Even at this level it
can be a demanding task. Simple example, I was at the store in the cheese
section looking for some fetta. I asked a store clerk if they stocked it.
He said 'What's that?'. I explained what fetta cheese was and he had to go
to his supervisor (older about 45'ish). He didn't know! he called the deli
department. Sure enough it was stocked there about 100 feet away. Sure not
in their department but the idea of someone that works in a dairy
department doesn't know about dairy is absurd. But education for ones duty
is not necessary if all you do is move items from a cooler too the shelf.

Should have asked for Fromunda
--
Tekkie

Gary wrote:
I do not expect much from the clerks. I just want one that can point me to
the item I am requesting. Or get the item from stock. Even at this level it
can be a demanding task. Simple example, I was at the store in the cheese
section looking for some fetta. I asked a store clerk if they stocked it.
He said 'What's that?'. I explained what fetta cheese was and he had to go
to his supervisor (older about 45'ish). He didn't know! he called the deli
department. Sure enough it was stocked there about 100 feet away. Sure not
in their department but the idea of someone that works in a dairy
department doesn't know about dairy is absurd. But education for ones duty
is not necessary if all you do is move items from a cooler too the shelf.

Did you spell it out for them?

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William Brown wrote:


Gary wrote:

I do not expect much from the clerks. I just want one that can point
me to
the item I am requesting. Or get the item from stock. Even at this
level it
can be a demanding task. Simple example, I was at the store in the cheese
section looking for some fetta. I asked a store clerk if they stocked it.
He said 'What's that?'. I explained what fetta cheese was and he had
to go
to his supervisor (older about 45'ish). He didn't know! he called the
deli
department. Sure enough it was stocked there about 100 feet away. Sure
not
in their department but the idea of someone that works in a dairy
department doesn't know about dairy is absurd. But education for ones
duty
is not necessary if all you do is move items from a cooler too the shelf.


Did you spell it out for them?

Hope not since he misspelled it....

Did you happen to mention this to the store manager?



In article ,
wrote:

- I just came home from a Menards store. I needed to buy another
- livestock watering tank. The store only had one 70 gallon and one 100
- gallon tank in stock. Both were stored outdoors. The temperature is
- zero today. I decided to take the 70 gallon one, paid for it, and
- went outside to the lot to get it. Now. you tell me why they had them
- on the shelves with the OPEN side UP. The tank was half filled with
- ice, and it took 3 guys to get it off the 5 foot high shelf, and load
- it in my truck with all that ice in it. I am now running a stock tank
- heater inside of it, (still on my truck), so that I can bucket out the
- melted ice and unload the thing. WHY, WHY, WHY don't they put them on
- the shelves upside down? It don't take a rocket scientist to figure
- that out????
-
- It's a good thing I didn't buy the 100 gallon one. That one was about
- 12 feet up on the shelf, and since it did not have other items above
- it, like the one I bought, and was on the top shelf, I have a feeling
- that one was entirely filled with ice. There is no way we could have
- lifted that.
-
- This just makes no sense to me. Even a complete moron should be able
- to figure out that they should be stored with the OPEN side DOWN. I
- am not cutting down Menards, I do a lot of business with them, and am
- generally satisfied with their products and customer service. But
- this is just plain assenine. If I weren't for the fact that I needed
- the tank immediately, they would have lost a sale, and I would have
- gone elsewhere to buy one. But then too, could I have found one?
-
- This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
- Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
- items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
- hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
- summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
- price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
- I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
- them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas
- merchandise is gone. Well, excuse me..... I have nothing against
- Christmas decorations, but my animals need water 365 days a year.
- They dont stop drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all
- year round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I break
- one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait until all the
- Christmas decorations are put away. Even the local farm supply store
- is lacking in farm items, but well stocked with Christmas decorations.
- They were out of electric fence gate handles the other day, and those
- things break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time of
- year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very inconsiderate
- to their customers and it really ****es me off !
-
-
- Mark



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You expect consumers to be any more sensible than the idiots behind the
counter?

How do you think things have gotten so bad to begin with?

"Suzie-Q" wrote in message
...
Did you happen to mention this to the store manager?


In article ,
wrote:

- I just came home from a Menards store. I needed to buy another
- livestock watering tank. The store only had one 70 gallon and one 100
- gallon tank in stock. Both were stored outdoors. snip

don't set yourself up for disappointment, plan your shopping trips better to
be more successful

calling ahead to see if they have in stock what you want minimizes wasted
trips

you're better to buy off the net or over the phone sometimes by the time you
factor in transportation costs and the cost of your time to "go
shopping",,,,,,,,,and,,,,,,,,,driving around in a vehicle to "go shopping"
can create significant physical and mental stress in humans (evidenced by
your last sentence)

do your animals need water 366 days a year in leap years? ; )


wrote in message
...
I just came home from a Menards store. I needed to buy another
livestock watering tank. The store only had one 70 gallon and one 100
gallon tank in stock. Both were stored outdoors. The temperature is
zero today. I decided to take the 70 gallon one, paid for it, and
went outside to the lot to get it. Now. you tell me why they had them
on the shelves with the OPEN side UP. The tank was half filled with
ice, and it took 3 guys to get it off the 5 foot high shelf, and load
it in my truck with all that ice in it. I am now running a stock tank
heater inside of it, (still on my truck), so that I can bucket out the
melted ice and unload the thing. WHY, WHY, WHY don't they put them on
the shelves upside down? It don't take a rocket scientist to figure
that out????

It's a good thing I didn't buy the 100 gallon one. That one was about
12 feet up on the shelf, and since it did not have other items above
it, like the one I bought, and was on the top shelf, I have a feeling
that one was entirely filled with ice. There is no way we could have
lifted that.

This just makes no sense to me. Even a complete moron should be able
to figure out that they should be stored with the OPEN side DOWN. I
am not cutting down Menards, I do a lot of business with them, and am
generally satisfied with their products and customer service. But
this is just plain assenine. If I weren't for the fact that I needed
the tank immediately, they would have lost a sale, and I would have
gone elsewhere to buy one. But then too, could I have found one?

This brings up another gripe of mine. When the stores are full of
Christmas items, and I mean ALL stores, they dont stock "normal"
items. Last week I was at Walmart and decided to buy another garden
hose, since I had one break. I bought a hose at Walmart during the
summer and found it to be one of the best hoses I have gotten for the
price. Well, I was shocked to find they did not have one single hose.
I asked the clerk, who had to call the manager, who said they do have
them in storage, but can not get to them, until all the Christmas
merchandise is gone. Well, excuse me..... I have nothing against
Christmas decorations, but my animals need water 365 days a year.
They dont stop drinking at Christmas. I also use my manure fork all
year round, as do I use shovels and other yard type tools. If I break
one of these, I need to buy another, and can not wait until all the
Christmas decorations are put away. Even the local farm supply store
is lacking in farm items, but well stocked with Christmas decorations.
They were out of electric fence gate handles the other day, and those
things break more often in winter due to ice, than any other time of
year. Yet, not a one in the store........ This is very inconsiderate
to their customers and it really ****es me off !


Mark

I avoid going to (any) stores in December. It is too hectic and too
hard on credit cards. I have plenty of household repairs to do with
everything I need.