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Old November 30th 03, 03:56 AM
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"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on,
and walk down the street with no permit of any kind:
some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders
are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -- Andrew Ford

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Gunner wrote: (clip) 4 out of 5 US murders are committed in the other half
of the country (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can divide the country in "half" by area, by number of states, or by
population. Unless you know the murder rate per capita under the two sets
of laws, you can be misled by statistics like this.





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Old November 30th 03, 10:57 AM
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On Sun, 30 Nov 2003 05:51:01 GMT, "Leo Lichtman"
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Gunner wrote: (clip) 4 out of 5 US murders are committed in the other half
of the country (clip)
^^^^^^^^^^^^
You can divide the country in "half" by area, by number of states, or by
population. Unless you know the murder rate per capita under the two sets
of laws, you can be misled by statistics like this.




its pretty clear to me.

Gunner
"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on,
and walk down the street with no permit of any kind:
some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders
are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" -- Andrew Ford
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Old November 30th 03, 02:05 PM
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You can divide the country in "half" by area, by number of states, or by
population. Unless you know the murder rate per capita under the two sets of
laws, you can be misled by statistics like this.

Statistics are only usefull to law makers trying promote
thier own agenda, which in most cases is not in the best interest
of the average citizen. Unfortunatly most people will ignore
truth in favor of statistics that support the illusion of saftey
provided by laws.

Best Regards
Tom.





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Old November 30th 03, 03:01 PM
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"Gunner" wrote in message
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"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on,
and walk down the street with no permit of any kind:
some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders
are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" --

Andrew Ford

Mr. Ford, if there is such a person, is crazy. 'You want the numbers, or
would you rather keep believing a lie and perpetuating it, in good old
effective Joseph Goebbel's style? g

Oh, what the hell: There are 27 open carry states and they represent 32.95%
of the population. They also are the states in which 31.26% of the murders
are committed. Those are 2001 figures, US Census and FBI Uniform Crime
Reports. I have the Excel workbooks on it if you don't believe it, and
you're welcome to them.

If there is an Andrew Ford, and if you know who he is, you can tell him for
me that he's either a fool or a liar, or a little bit of both.

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In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says...
Mr. Ford, if there is such a person, is crazy. 'You want the numbers, or
would you rather keep believing a lie and perpetuating it, in good old
effective Joseph Goebbel's style? g


Damn. Here you go again, confusing Gunner with facts.
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Ed Huntress wrote:

Oh, what the hell: There are 27 open carry states and they represent 32.95%
of the population. They also are the states in which 31.26% of the murders
are committed. Those are 2001 figures, US Census and FBI Uniform Crime
Reports. I have the Excel workbooks on it if you don't believe it, and
you're welcome to them.


I am far from a gun nut and cringe every time I say something supporting
Gunner but those statistics, on a per capata basis, seem to say that
open carry laws have very little to do with murder rates.

If there is an Andrew Ford, and if you know who he is, you can tell him for
me that he's either a fool or a liar, or a little bit of both.


Don't you watch Faux News? That is the style of today's conservative
reporting. Take an insignificant fact, twist it a little, add a few
false assumptions for support and spew it out as "news".

--
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"Jim Kovar" wrote in message
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In article , huntres23
@optonline.net says...
Mr. Ford, if there is such a person, is crazy. 'You want the numbers, or
would you rather keep believing a lie and perpetuating it, in good old
effective Joseph Goebbel's style? g


Damn. Here you go again, confusing Gunner with facts.


You watch. It won't faze him in the least. He'll keep using it even though
he knows it's a crock of bull. He's too much of a True Believer to let the
facts stand in the way of a good rant. g

Ed Huntress


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"Glenn Ashmore" wrote in message
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Ed Huntress wrote:

Oh, what the hell: There are 27 open carry states and they represent

32.95%
of the population. They also are the states in which 31.26% of the

murders
are committed. Those are 2001 figures, US Census and FBI Uniform Crime
Reports. I have the Excel workbooks on it if you don't believe it, and
you're welcome to them.


I am far from a gun nut and cringe every time I say something supporting
Gunner but those statistics, on a per capata basis, seem to say that
open carry laws have very little to do with murder rates.


That's about the size of it. There seems to be no relationship at all. The
contention that 4/5 of the murders occur in non-open-carry states is either
looney or a lie, and, of course, it conveniently ignores the populations in
those states. I vote for a lie, having done some pro-gun lobbying myself and
knowing something about the people who cook up those numbers.

If there is an Andrew Ford, and if you know who he is, you can tell him

for
me that he's either a fool or a liar, or a little bit of both.


Don't you watch Faux News? That is the style of today's conservative
reporting. Take an insignificant fact, twist it a little, add a few
false assumptions for support and spew it out as "news".


I'm reading a book right now about the psychology of persuasion and
propaganda (_Influence: The Psychology of Persuasion_, by Robert Cialidini.
Widely acclaimed book; all my friends in advertising and marketing are
reading it. g). Although it was written before the latest round of culture
wars, you'll recognize today's key players in there, and the common human
weaknesses they prey upon.

--
Ed Huntress
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Yea but you forgot that California has an open carry law and
leads the nation in murders as a state. Of course the
population of California is about 20% of the nation as a
whole.

I wonder where your figures are if you lump California with
the non carry states.

I'll bet your percentages go way way down.


The Independent


Ed Huntress wrote:

"Gunner" wrote in message
...

"25 States allow anyone to buy a gun, strap it on,
and walk down the street with no permit of any kind:
some say it's crazy. However, 4 out of 5 US murders
are committed in the other half of the country: so who is crazy?" --

Andrew Ford

Mr. Ford, if there is such a person, is crazy. 'You want the numbers, or
would you rather keep believing a lie and perpetuating it, in good old
effective Joseph Goebbel's style? g

Oh, what the hell: There are 27 open carry states and they represent 32.95%
of the population. They also are the states in which 31.26% of the murders
are committed. Those are 2001 figures, US Census and FBI Uniform Crime
Reports. I have the Excel workbooks on it if you don't believe it, and
you're welcome to them.

If there is an Andrew Ford, and if you know who he is, you can tell him for
me that he's either a fool or a liar, or a little bit of both.

--
Ed Huntress
(remove "3" from email address for email reply)



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