Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then stall.
I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem. I
plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
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Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall.
I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I
plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

I would guess it is a timing problem. You need to pull the flywheel to see
if the key is slightly damaged.

Doug wrote:

Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

Why didnt you take it back to the dealer and ask them to fix it?
Eric

Doug wrote:

Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then stall.
I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem. I
plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug


Any chance you didn't summerize it properly and there's a little water
in the fuel tank which occassionally finds its way into the carb?

You might try adding a small amount of gas tank "de-icer" to the fuel
and see if that helps.

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

Was it brand new, as is in you brought it home, got it out of the box, and
put it together or was it lying around the store or maybe outside in front
of the store? If it was laying around the store there is a good chance that
it had been at least cranked up before you bought it...may have some
crystalization in the carb which has freezed up the float. I am not sure
your carb has a float or not, but I am willing to bet it does. See if you
can't get into the carb and see if it is clean or not. I had the same kind
of problem on one of my mowers last year and more recently on my power
washer. Both had Tecumseh carbs and they needed to be cleaned out. The
power washer was only a year old and had sat awhile and the float was stuck.

Wade



"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

This was happening when it was new last year. I bought it in October, and
the first snow was in Dec. Yeah, I should have addresses it before now
(winter starting) but you know how that goes sometimes.



"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:

Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem. I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there
are any adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off!
This is a Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug
Any chance you didn't summerize it properly and there's a little water in
the fuel tank which occassionally finds its way into the carb?

You might try adding a small amount of gas tank "de-icer" to the fuel and
see if that helps.

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia

(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"As long as there are final exams, there will be prayer in public
schools"

I'll give that a try. Is there anything I can merely add to the gas to clean
the carb? I'm handy with this stuff, but not to the detail of cleaning a
carb.

"Wade" wrote in message
k.net...
Was it brand new, as is in you brought it home, got it out of the box, and
put it together or was it lying around the store or maybe outside in front
of the store? If it was laying around the store there is a good chance
that it had been at least cranked up before you bought it...may have some
crystalization in the carb which has freezed up the float. I am not sure
your carb has a float or not, but I am willing to bet it does. See if you
can't get into the carb and see if it is clean or not. I had the same
kind of problem on one of my mowers last year and more recently on my
power washer. Both had Tecumseh carbs and they needed to be cleaned out.
The power washer was only a year old and had sat awhile and the float was
stuck.

Wade



"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem. I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there
are any adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off!
This is a Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

One thing I totally forgot to mention. I recall this happening last year.
When priming the carb, I found that sometimes some gas would come out from
the carb area. I know this probably means there's an air leak or something.

Sorry for not mentioning it sooner before replies, but it happened last year
and just slipped my mind. I have to take the cover off the engine (the cover
that Troy Bilt puts on) and see if I can see where the gas is coming from.
I'll report back on this.

Thanks again for all the replies.

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

Update: I got the cover off and started it up. It runs fine at first, but
had to play with the choke to keep it going. It will run ok after it's kept
going with the right choke setting, except for some popping out of the
exaust. I noticed a few things:

o In a previous post, I mentioned that gas comes out of the carb area when
using the primer. I find that the gas comes out of the air intake (correct
term??) after about 5 pushes. This may be normal, but I don't see it
mentioned in the manual.

o One time, the engine, just sitting there idling, the idle would start to
increase and decrease, and then the engine stalls. If I prime the carb
again, it starts again on the first pull. While it was stalling I quickly
adjusted the choke to see if it would make a difference. No difference at
all. Almost as if the carb was not getting any air (not the case) or the
carb wasn't getting any gas. Just like I turned off the key.

o I notice that if I run the engine at full throttle, it runs a lot rougher
(pops out of the exhaust) than if I were to run it something a little slower
than full. With the right choke adj at a slower RPM, the engine seems to run
ok (less popping). So, this may be my fix for now, but shouldn't be this
way.

o According the Tecumseh owner's manual, there's a bowl drain at the bottom
of the bowl. I notice this collects small amounts of gas as it's running.
Could it be leaking air into the carb?

Let me ask this. To clean the bowl, do I just need to remove the nut at the
bottom of the bowl to remove it? I'd also like to try to set the carb
settings to, I believe, 1 1/2 turns, but I have no clue where the screws
are. I see one that looks like it has a grey cap on it.

Thanks again!

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

Took the bowl off, cleaned out some residue. Looked like tiny yellow globs.
Replaced the plug from Champion RJ19LM to a Champion 5861 which is their EZ
start plug. I thought that since the engine was missing, it might be the
plug. Started up, and seemed to run a little better. The real test will be
out in the snow for extended useage. I think that as long as it doesn't give
me too much trouble, I'll get through the winter with it running it at a
slightly slower RPM. From what I've read, that may be a sign of a mixture
problem. Still, the blower is operational with it. It's a matter of, will it
stay working, or stall out on me on extended use.

If anyone has any other suggestions from the information I've given, let me
know.

Thanks again!
Doug


"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower. It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

To me popping in the exhaust indicates that the intake valve is still open
when the gas ignites. Maybe my idea of popping is different. I am thinking
of a small backfire.



"Doug" wrote in message
om...
Update: I got the cover off and started it up. It runs fine at first, but
had to play with the choke to keep it going. It will run ok after it's
kept
going with the right choke setting, except for some popping out of the
exaust. I noticed a few things:

o In a previous post, I mentioned that gas comes out of the carb area when
using the primer. I find that the gas comes out of the air intake (correct
term??) after about 5 pushes. This may be normal, but I don't see it
mentioned in the manual.

o One time, the engine, just sitting there idling, the idle would start to
increase and decrease, and then the engine stalls. If I prime the carb
again, it starts again on the first pull. While it was stalling I quickly
adjusted the choke to see if it would make a difference. No difference at
all. Almost as if the carb was not getting any air (not the case) or the
carb wasn't getting any gas. Just like I turned off the key.

o I notice that if I run the engine at full throttle, it runs a lot
rougher
(pops out of the exhaust) than if I were to run it something a little
slower
than full. With the right choke adj at a slower RPM, the engine seems to
run
ok (less popping). So, this may be my fix for now, but shouldn't be this
way.

o According the Tecumseh owner's manual, there's a bowl drain at the
bottom
of the bowl. I notice this collects small amounts of gas as it's running.
Could it be leaking air into the carb?

Let me ask this. To clean the bowl, do I just need to remove the nut at
the
bottom of the bowl to remove it? I'd also like to try to set the carb
settings to, I believe, 1 1/2 turns, but I have no clue where the screws
are. I see one that looks like it has a grey cap on it.

Thanks again!

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is
a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

..
It does not fall into one of these recalled engines does it?

http://www.tecumseh.com/TecumsehRecall_112502.pdf

"Doug" wrote in message
om...
Update: I got the cover off and started it up. It runs fine at first, but
had to play with the choke to keep it going. It will run ok after it's
kept
going with the right choke setting, except for some popping out of the
exaust. I noticed a few things:

o In a previous post, I mentioned that gas comes out of the carb area when
using the primer. I find that the gas comes out of the air intake (correct
term??) after about 5 pushes. This may be normal, but I don't see it
mentioned in the manual.

o One time, the engine, just sitting there idling, the idle would start to
increase and decrease, and then the engine stalls. If I prime the carb
again, it starts again on the first pull. While it was stalling I quickly
adjusted the choke to see if it would make a difference. No difference at
all. Almost as if the carb was not getting any air (not the case) or the
carb wasn't getting any gas. Just like I turned off the key.

o I notice that if I run the engine at full throttle, it runs a lot
rougher
(pops out of the exhaust) than if I were to run it something a little
slower
than full. With the right choke adj at a slower RPM, the engine seems to
run
ok (less popping). So, this may be my fix for now, but shouldn't be this
way.

o According the Tecumseh owner's manual, there's a bowl drain at the
bottom
of the bowl. I notice this collects small amounts of gas as it's running.
Could it be leaking air into the carb?

Let me ask this. To clean the bowl, do I just need to remove the nut at
the
bottom of the bowl to remove it? I'd also like to try to set the carb
settings to, I believe, 1 1/2 turns, but I have no clue where the screws
are. I see one that looks like it has a grey cap on it.

Thanks again!

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is
a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

Phew! No, fortunately my DOM number is later. Thanks though!


"ABC" wrote in message
...
.
It does not fall into one of these recalled engines does it?

http://www.tecumseh.com/TecumsehRecall_112502.pdf

"Doug" wrote in message
om...
Update: I got the cover off and started it up. It runs fine at first, but
had to play with the choke to keep it going. It will run ok after it's
kept
going with the right choke setting, except for some popping out of the
exaust. I noticed a few things:

o In a previous post, I mentioned that gas comes out of the carb area
when
using the primer. I find that the gas comes out of the air intake
(correct
term??) after about 5 pushes. This may be normal, but I don't see it
mentioned in the manual.

o One time, the engine, just sitting there idling, the idle would start
to
increase and decrease, and then the engine stalls. If I prime the carb
again, it starts again on the first pull. While it was stalling I quickly
adjusted the choke to see if it would make a difference. No difference at
all. Almost as if the carb was not getting any air (not the case) or the
carb wasn't getting any gas. Just like I turned off the key.

o I notice that if I run the engine at full throttle, it runs a lot
rougher
(pops out of the exhaust) than if I were to run it something a little
slower
than full. With the right choke adj at a slower RPM, the engine seems to
run
ok (less popping). So, this may be my fix for now, but shouldn't be this
way.

o According the Tecumseh owner's manual, there's a bowl drain at the
bottom
of the bowl. I notice this collects small amounts of gas as it's running.
Could it be leaking air into the carb?

Let me ask this. To clean the bowl, do I just need to remove the nut at
the
bottom of the bowl to remove it? I'd also like to try to set the carb
settings to, I believe, 1 1/2 turns, but I have no clue where the screws
are. I see one that looks like it has a grey cap on it.

Thanks again!

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since
day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This
is
a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

I guess you can call it a small backfire. It does just sound like it's
missing.


"ABC" wrote in message
...
To me popping in the exhaust indicates that the intake valve is still open
when the gas ignites. Maybe my idea of popping is different. I am
thinking
of a small backfire.



"Doug" wrote in message
om...
Update: I got the cover off and started it up. It runs fine at first, but
had to play with the choke to keep it going. It will run ok after it's
kept
going with the right choke setting, except for some popping out of the
exaust. I noticed a few things:

o In a previous post, I mentioned that gas comes out of the carb area
when
using the primer. I find that the gas comes out of the air intake
(correct
term??) after about 5 pushes. This may be normal, but I don't see it
mentioned in the manual.

o One time, the engine, just sitting there idling, the idle would start
to
increase and decrease, and then the engine stalls. If I prime the carb
again, it starts again on the first pull. While it was stalling I quickly
adjusted the choke to see if it would make a difference. No difference at
all. Almost as if the carb was not getting any air (not the case) or the
carb wasn't getting any gas. Just like I turned off the key.

o I notice that if I run the engine at full throttle, it runs a lot
rougher
(pops out of the exhaust) than if I were to run it something a little
slower
than full. With the right choke adj at a slower RPM, the engine seems to
run
ok (less popping). So, this may be my fix for now, but shouldn't be this
way.

o According the Tecumseh owner's manual, there's a bowl drain at the
bottom
of the bowl. I notice this collects small amounts of gas as it's running.
Could it be leaking air into the carb?

Let me ask this. To clean the bowl, do I just need to remove the nut at
the
bottom of the bowl to remove it? I'd also like to try to set the carb
settings to, I believe, 1 1/2 turns, but I have no clue where the screws
are. I see one that looks like it has a grey cap on it.

Thanks again!

Doug

"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since
day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This
is
a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

Have you tried adjusting the mixture screw that is at the bottom of the bowl
under the carburetor? I had similar symptoms as you--rough running, needed
choke to keep it going, poor low speed running (stalling). Turn the screw
all the way in--don't tighten it too hard against the seat. Back it out
about 1 1/2 turns. Make small adjustments from that setting until there is
a good balance between the high speed and low speeds.
MLD
"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Took the bowl off, cleaned out some residue. Looked like tiny yellow
globs.
Replaced the plug from Champion RJ19LM to a Champion 5861 which is their
EZ
start plug. I thought that since the engine was missing, it might be the
plug. Started up, and seemed to run a little better. The real test will be
out in the snow for extended useage. I think that as long as it doesn't
give
me too much trouble, I'll get through the winter with it running it at a
slightly slower RPM. From what I've read, that may be a sign of a mixture
problem. Still, the blower is operational with it. It's a matter of, will
it
stay working, or stall out on me on extended use.

If anyone has any other suggestions from the information I've given, let
me
know.

Thanks again!
Doug


"Doug" wrote in message
. com...
Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.
It
starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing
problem.
I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is
a
Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug

No, but I'll give that a try as well and see what happens. Thanks!

MLD wrote:
Have you tried adjusting the mixture screw that is at the bottom of the bowl
under the carburetor? I had similar symptoms as you--rough running, needed
choke to keep it going, poor low speed running (stalling). Turn the screw
all the way in--don't tighten it too hard against the seat. Back it out
about 1 1/2 turns. Make small adjustments from that setting until there is
a good balance between the high speed and low speeds.
MLD
"Doug" wrote in message
. com...

Took the bowl off, cleaned out some residue. Looked like tiny yellow

globs.

Replaced the plug from Champion RJ19LM to a Champion 5861 which is their

EZ

start plug. I thought that since the engine was missing, it might be the
plug. Started up, and seemed to run a little better. The real test will be
out in the snow for extended useage. I think that as long as it doesn't

give

me too much trouble, I'll get through the winter with it running it at a
slightly slower RPM. From what I've read, that may be a sign of a mixture
problem. Still, the blower is operational with it. It's a matter of, will

it

stay working, or stall out on me on extended use.

If anyone has any other suggestions from the information I've given, let

me

know.

Thanks again!
Doug


"Doug" wrote in message
y.com...

Bought a new snow thrower last year, and have had this problem since day
one.

The engine is a Tecumseh HMSK 80-110 on a Troy Bilt Storm snow thrower.

It

starts just fine, but pops out of the exhaust as it's running. Then at
times, it will run very rough, with the idle going up and down, then
stall. I find that if I play with the choke, I can usually keep it from
stalling.

So, it looks like some kind of gas flow problem or maybe a timing

problem.

I plan on replacing the spark plug, but have no clue if there are any
adjustments I can make on the carb (or how to get the cover off! This is

a

Troy Bilt Thrower).

If responding to me directly, please take out "REMOVE" from my e-mail
address.

Thanks!
Doug