Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 17:20:46 +0100, Birdbrain Macaw (aka "Commander Kinsey",
"James Wilkinson", "Steven ******","Bruce Farquar", "Fred Johnson, etc.),
the pathological resident idiot and attention whore of all the uk ngs,
blathered again:

FLUSH the subnormal sociopathic trolling attention whore's latest
attention-baiting sick bull**** unread again

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID:

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Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID:

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DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

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Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

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Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

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Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: 20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

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JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: l-september.org

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Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID:

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asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

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Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "Commander
Kinsey" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

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Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

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Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

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about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

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Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

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francis about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

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Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "Commander Kinsey" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

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Lewis about nym-shifting Birdbrain:
"Typical narcissist troll, thinks his **** is so grand he has the right to
try to force it on everyone."FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest
troll**** unread
MID:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

Cindy Hamilton

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:08:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

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TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:08:49 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that.

So we think now. But we're always discovering new things about nature.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:46:48 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:08:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that.

So we think now. But we're always discovering new things about nature.

When speaking of science it is assumed it is "merely" our best understanding.
It is not like faith.

Well, there is faith in inductive reasoning, but that gets into deeper
philosophy.

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superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:08:49 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances
of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that
wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that.

So we think now.

So we know now.

But we're always discovering new things about nature.

But we know that there is nothing to think with in any virus.

It's a very simple replicating system which has errors like
any replicating system and that's what produces variants,
the replication errors. They mostly are worse than the
original, but not always. No thinking involved.

On Jun 7, 2021 at 10:22:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Only intelligent compared to Republicans.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:54 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Only intelligent compared to Republicans.

Thanks, **** the Git, you abnormal troll-feeding senile democRat, for making
the clinically insane troll's latest idiotic thread a huge success on these
groups!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:54 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 10:22:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Only intelligent compared to Republicans.

You misspelt Democrats. The ones that steal money from hard working people then hand it to you.

On Jun 10, 2021 at 10:38:15 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:54 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 10:22:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100,
wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected
process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a
vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a
speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Only intelligent compared to Republicans.

You misspelt Democrats. The ones that steal money from hard working people
then hand it to you.

Nope: the Democrats are better at working to build a stronger tie between
productivity and financial gain. They understand that trickle down is a
fiction designed to help the rich.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:22:25 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Anyone who wrote that was either speaking metaphorically, or he was
uninformed, or he was lying.

People sometimes try to speak in words that will be meaningful to
non-specialists. Sometimes they choose the wrong metaphor entiredly,
one that doesn't even illustrate the comparison they are trying to make,
but more often the metaphor illustrates something but either the writer
or his readers expand it beyond what the facts are.

I don't know what happened here, but the vaccine reduces mutations
enormously. It does not increase them.

It reduces them by not providing a host human in which the virus can
grow (and mutate) and by, it seems clear now, reducing, eliminating, or
almost eliminating transmission to other people. Again, tremendously
reducting the number of host humans in which the virus can grow and
sometimes mutate.

Even children under 12 can get the virus, and some are made sick from
it, some seriuosly sick. They're testing sample populations to see if
the vaccine has side effects more than what adults get. Assuming the
tests show they don't. Thos childdren should be vaccinated too.

It's a shame that those who have had organ transplants, for example,
can't be vaccinated or in the case of a good friend of mine** who had a
kidney tranplant about 7 years ago, can be vaccinated but didn't develop
antibodies, at least not the one that the standard PCR test test for .
But other than those special situations, everyone should be vaccinated,
and that will come closest to stopping mutations.

**She had lymphoma is 2002 and had some of her own bone marrow removed,
the rest was irradiated and killed, and hers was replaced. Every day
she lives she sets a new record for survival of this procedure which
iirc was at most 7 years when she got it, 19 years ago.

Then she had kidney failure and one of her 3 sons gave her one of his
kidneys. The son is fine.

Then 2 or 3 years ago she had breast cancer.

So your statement above is the exact opposite of the truth. I believe
you that you read it, and didn't make it up, but beside the likelihood
that it's a misunderstood metaphor, it may also be a lie. It's part of
the Big Lie technique to say the very opposite of the truth. The harder
it is to believe the better in that case because people who normally
tell the truth often think, NO one woudl make up such a ridiculous lie
so it must be true.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 12:39:18 -0400, micky mouse, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:


Anyone who wrote that was either speaking metaphorically, or he was
uninformed, or he was lying.

Or he is simply a filthy trolling attention whore, you mentally handicapped
troll-feeding senile ASSHOLE!

On 6/8/2021 9:39 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:22:25 +0100, "Commander
Kinsey" wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route.

Anyone who wrote that was either speaking metaphorically, or he was
uninformed, or he was lying.

People sometimes try to speak in words that will be meaningful to
non-specialists. Sometimes they choose the wrong metaphor entiredly,
one that doesn't even illustrate the comparison they are trying to make,
but more often the metaphor illustrates something but either the writer
or his readers expand it beyond what the facts are.

I don't know what happened here, but the vaccine reduces mutations
enormously. It does not increase them.

It reduces them by not providing a host human in which the virus can
grow (and mutate) and by, it seems clear now, reducing, eliminating, or
almost eliminating transmission to other people. Again, tremendously
reducting the number of host humans in which the virus can grow and
sometimes mutate.

Even children under 12 can get the virus, and some are made sick from
it, some seriuosly sick. They're testing sample populations to see if
the vaccine has side effects more than what adults get. Assuming the
tests show they don't. Thos childdren should be vaccinated too.

It's a shame that those who have had organ transplants, for example,
can't be vaccinated or in the case of a good friend of mine** who had a
kidney tranplant about 7 years ago, can be vaccinated but didn't develop
antibodies, at least not the one that the standard PCR test test for .
But other than those special situations, everyone should be vaccinated,
and that will come closest to stopping mutations.

**She had lymphoma is 2002 and had some of her own bone marrow removed,
the rest was irradiated and killed, and hers was replaced. Every day
she lives she sets a new record for survival of this procedure which
iirc was at most 7 years when she got it, 19 years ago.

Then she had kidney failure and one of her 3 sons gave her one of his
kidneys. The son is fine.

Then 2 or 3 years ago she had breast cancer.

So your statement above is the exact opposite of the truth. I believe
you that you read it, and didn't make it up, but beside the likelihood
that it's a misunderstood metaphor, it may also be a lie. It's part of
the Big Lie technique to say the very opposite of the truth. The harder
it is to believe the better in that case because people who normally
tell the truth often think, NO one woudl make up such a ridiculous lie
so it must be true.


Kind of like if someone had made a movie 10 years ago about a
"president" like trump, everyone would have said it was too stupid to be
believable.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 21:30:41 +0100, Tim Streater wrote:

On 07 Jun 2021 at 18:22:25 BST, "Commander Kinsey" wrote:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:

On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route.

You're shaping up to be a worse troll than T r o l l, and AISB, that's a
high bar.

Nope, just making a point.

On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT), , another
brain dead, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered:

Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process
whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine
or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't
resistant is dead.

Cindy Hamilton

Look who is the first to start feeding the clinically insane trolling
Scottish attention whore again! It's the demented senile troll-feeding old
Yankie **** of course! tsk

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:05:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile
Ozzietard:

Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink."

Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it."

Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters
that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it
just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too."

Message-ID:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 11:05:10 AM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?

Rod Speed wrote:
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold
for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there.

Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York €” but it
might not be official.

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cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel
somehow superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:02:07 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold
for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there.

See, you will be feeding ANY useless, idiotic troll and trash ANY ngs with
your ALWAYS off topic endless senile ****, in your typical selfish manner,
you typical self-complacent democRat! QED!

"Snit" wrote in message
...
Rod Speed wrote:
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



See in the news they will be lifting restrictions.
The current threshold for herd immunity is 70%.

That number isnt certain yet, it depends on the
basic reproduction number of the disease and
that varys with the strain and it is known that
the more recent more virulent strains have worse
basic reproduction numbers and so the threshold
for herd immunity needed will be much higher
than 70%, well into the 90%s in fact.

They are just about there.

Nope.

Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York

She mangled the real story.

€” but it might not be official.

It definitely isnt.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 21:02:07 +0100, Snit wrote:

Rod Speed wrote:
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?



See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold
for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there.

Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York €” but it
might not be official.

What restrictions? I've been going about my life as normal.

On Jun 7, 2021 at 12:44:04 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?

Did more looking into this.

Need 70% to get to herd immunity:


https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html

New York close to 70%


https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose

That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still not
be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated.

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Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the
chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected
people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it
mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best
vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?

Did more looking into this.

Need 70% to get to herd immunity:

Its nothing like that simple now with the new more virulent strains.

https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html

That doesnt say that it only needs to get to 70%.

New York close to 70%

Even that isnt clear.

https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose

That isnt saying that its close to 70%.

That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still
not be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated.

And there is no evidence that the 70% is the required level.

Snit was thinking very hard :
On Jun 7, 2021 at 12:44:04 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?
Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.
Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.
Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.
Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Dunno, nothing useful on that with
https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York
Gotta link ?

Did more looking into this.

Need 70% to get to herd immunity:

It is COVID fatigue causing compromises I think, 85 to 90 percent is
better but 70 sounds more "doable" at this point in time. Not enough
IMO.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:22:36 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



Exactly!


The tragic thing is that useless senile assholes like the two of you never
can get infected because you mentally twisted, driveling, senile morons got
no social life and never go out anyway!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:22:36 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 11:05:10 AM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Amazingly pointless.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:42:59 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:22:36 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 11:05:10 AM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

Exactly!

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York.
Amazing.

Amazingly pointless.

To those who do not value human life, perhaps. That is a moral value, though,
and one where people might differ.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 18:40:58 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


To those who do not value human life, perhaps. That is a moral value, though,
and one where people might differ.

What are you now bull****ting about, you sick senile swine and troll?

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:05:10 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

In article , says...

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.



Good way to help out the social security defect. Just got rid of close
to a million that are receiving it or were about to.

On Wed, 9 Jun 2021 13:48:37 -0400, Ralph Mowery, another brain dead,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.


Good way to help out the social security defect. Just got rid of close
to a million that are receiving it or were about to.

The unemployable, clinically insane trolling ****** you are feeding IS one
of those defective useless social misfits who keep living off government
subsidies (and he BRAGGED about it), you troll-feeding senile asshole!

Ralph Mowery wrote
wrote

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Good way to help out the social security defect. Just got rid
of close to a million that are receiving it or were about to.

Trouble is that it doesn't just kill those and in fact
produces lots with long covid who were previously
gainfully employed and who didn't get any social
security who now get social security.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 12:31:02 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Ralph Mowery wrote
wrote

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Good way to help out the social security defect. Just got rid
of close to a million that are receiving it or were about to.

Trouble is that it doesn't just kill those and in fact
produces lots with long covid who were previously
gainfully employed and who didn't get any social
security who now get social security.

Good point.

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 20:31:02 +0100, Rod Speed wrote:

Ralph Mowery wrote
wrote

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Good way to help out the social security defect. Just got rid
of close to a million that are receiving it or were about to.

Trouble is that it doesn't just kill those and in fact
produces lots with long covid who were previously
gainfully employed and who didn't get any social
security who now get social security.

Since almost everyone dying is over 65, there aren't many gainfully employed dying off.

Even if there were, that frees up more jobs.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:42:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:05:10 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

Viruses do not think.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Are you volunteering?

--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.