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OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.
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OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't resistant is dead. Cindy Hamilton |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote:
On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote: Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't resistant is dead. I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route. |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 10:12:19 -0700 (PDT), , another
brain dead, troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered: Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't resistant is dead. Cindy Hamilton Look who is the first to start feeding the clinically insane trolling Scottish attention whore again! It's the demented senile troll-feeding old Yankie **** of course! tsk |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Commander Kinsey wrote
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message ... On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote: Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't resistant is dead. I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route. Reality is nothing like that. Viruses cant do that. |
The Two Brain Dead Inseparable Trolling Resident Sociopaths together again
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:08:49 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic blather -- TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath Birdbrain from August 26th 2018: Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers." Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred that you all have two heads." Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?" Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding that produces two headed unemployables like you." Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?" Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough to shave their legs have." Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true: 1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale. 2) You haven't learned what a razor is for." Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs." Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your body." Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what you are born with." MID: |
The Two Brain Dead Inseparable Trolling Resident Sociopaths together again
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 04:05:10 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic blather -- Typical retarded "conversation" between the Scottish ****** and the senile Ozzietard: Birdbrain: "Horse **** doesn't stink." Senile Rodent: "It does if you roll in it." Birdbrain: "I've never worked out why, I assumed it was maybe meateaters that made stinky ****, but then why does vegetarian human **** stink? Is it just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?" Senile Rodent: "Nope, some cow **** stinks too." Message-ID: |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
: Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance of new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get it. So we should be using it sparingly. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 10:22:25 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
: On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 18:12:19 +0100, wrote: On Monday, June 7, 2021 at 12:20:53 PM UTC-4, Commander Kinsey wrote: Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Microorganisms don't mutate to "avoid" anything. It's an undirected process whereby anything that survives (whether it's antibodies produced by a vaccine or an antibacterial such as penicillin) is resistant. Anything that wasn't resistant is dead. I've read that this virus is intelligent, like a motorist spotting a speedtrap and driving on a different route. Only intelligent compared to Republicans. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 11:05:10 AM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
: Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Rod Speed wrote:
Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there. Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York €” but it might not be official. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. i've had 3 shots already |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On 6/7/2021 12:20 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?* So we should be using it sparingly. COVID-19 had no effect on me so I'm not concerned about COVID-20. LOL |
Shit, the Git, the Troll-feeding Senile HUGE ASSHOLE!
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:54 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again: Only intelligent compared to Republicans. Thanks, **** the Git, you abnormal troll-feeding senile democRat, for making the clinically insane troll's latest idiotic thread a huge success on these groups! |
Shit, the Git, the Troll-feeding Senile HUGE ASSHOLE!
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:21 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again: No. It reduces the number of times Just what does it take to reduce the number of times you will be sucking that filthy troll's cock, senile **** the Git? |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:48:07 -0400, FromTheRafters, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered: Good point actually. Another idiotic troll actually, and nothing else, you mentally deficient troll-feeding senile asshole! |
Shit, the Git, the Troll-feeding Senile HUGE ASSHOLE!
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:22:36 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again: Exactly! The tragic thing is that useless senile assholes like the two of you never can get infected because you mentally twisted, driveling, senile morons got no social life and never go out anyway! |
Shit, the Git, the Troll-feeding Senile HUGE ASSHOLE!
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:02:07 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again: See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold for herd immunity is 70%. They are just about there. See, you will be feeding ANY useless, idiotic troll and trash ANY ngs with your ALWAYS off topic endless senile ****, in your typical selfish manner, you typical self-complacent democRat! QED! |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:48:07 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. A vaccinated person MAY be able to "host' the virus but it is unlikely to reproduce at a sufficient rate to either cause the disease or pass on to another host. What we need to understand is the virus uses the host as a "factory" to reproduce itself. It is the reproduction of the virus that causes the "disease" and causes the damage to the host. Little or no reproduction means little or no "disease" or "infection" and therefore also a low probability of passing it on. Is it POSSIBLE? Yes - at least theoretically. Is it PROBABLE? Not really. Because it IS possible we take precautions - making the probability even lower. The more people infected - and the longer they remain infected, the more likely another mutation will occur. Vaccinated hosts are much less likely to produce a mutation than an unvaccinated host because mutations are "manufacturing errors" - "factory seconds" if you like. - or "defects" MANY mutations cause the virus to not be able to replicate and therefore fie. Others will be much less infrctious and also therefore die out. Then ther are the ones that get "supercharged" in one way or another getting more infectious and more dangerous |
Troll-feeding Senile ASSHOLE Alert!
On Mon, 7 Jun 2021 16:14:16 -0400, Maskless Sociopath, another brain dead
troll-feeding senile idiot, babbled: COVID-19 had no effect on me so I'm not concerned about COVID-20. LOL The trolling attention whore thanks you nicely for making yet another absolutely idiotic and off topic thread a success! tsk |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote:
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote: FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?Â* So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. i've had 3 shots already How did you manage that? What does the NHS app tell you? -- Michael Chare |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. Completely different in fact. Antibiotics kill bacteria and are not always 100% successful, and that's what produces resistance. Vaccination stops infection and so the virus doesn't get to mutate in that individual. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. Not necessarily, we eliminated smallpox from the wild by vaccination. And havent quite done that yet with polio because a few countrys refused to vaccinate. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. Not in those who don't get infected because they have been vaccinated and the more that have been vaccinated, the fewer infected people there are for the virus to mutate in. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, Yes, but far fewer of those do that than the unvaccinated. they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. That's just plain wrong. Vaccination dramatically reduces the chance of being infected at all. This is no magic bullet, Vaccination has in fact been just that with smallpox and quite a few other viruses too. It hasn't been with influenza and the common cold because they mutate much faster than most viruses. it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. It is in fact by far the most effective weapon against the virus apart from isolation which isnt practical for most people. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
"Snit" wrote in message ... FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
"Snit" wrote in message ... Rod Speed wrote: Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? See in the news they will be lifting restrictions. The current threshold for herd immunity is 70%. That number isnt certain yet, it depends on the basic reproduction number of the disease and that varys with the strain and it is known that the more recent more virulent strains have worse basic reproduction numbers and so the threshold for herd immunity needed will be much higher than 70%, well into the 90%s in fact. They are just about there. Nope. Heard it from the wife of a doctor doing research in New York She mangled the real story. €” but it might not be official. It definitely isnt. |
Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:15:09 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the two abnormal senile assholes' latest idiotic, senile blather -- Marland answering senile Rodent's statement, "I don't leak": "That˘s because so much **** and ****e emanates from your gob that there is nothing left to exit normally, your arsehole has clammed shut through disuse and the end of prick is only clear because you are such a ******." Message-ID: |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
"Michael Chare" wrote in message ... On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote: On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote: FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. i've had 3 shots already How did you manage that? He's a yank troll. What does the NHS app tell you? **** off yank troll in appropriate bureaucratic language if it side loads it on an android phone. |
Lonely Obnoxious Cantankerous Auto-contradicting Senile Ozzie Troll Alert!
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:08:12 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again: FLUSH the two abnormal senile assholes' latest idiotic, senile blather -- "Who or What is Rod Speed? Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
"Who or What is Rod Speed?"
"Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an
insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the InterNet." https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ -- John addressing the senile Australian pest: "You are a complete idiot. But you make me larf. LOL" MID: |
More Heavy Trolling by the Senile Octogenarian Nym-Shifting Ozzie Cretin!
On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:23:20 +1000, Joey, better known as cantankerous
trolling senile geezer Rodent Speed, wrote: FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread -- Website (from 2007) dedicated to the 86-year-old senile Australian cretin's pathological trolling: https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/ |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 12:44:04 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
: Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? Did more looking into this. Need 70% to get to herd immunity: https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html New York close to 70% https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still not be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 3:08:12 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
: "Snit" wrote in message ... FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now. I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms, but in general language agreed. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 1:02:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
: On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote: FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. i've had 3 shots already How much time is left on the shot clock? -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
Snit wrote
Rod Speed wrote Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? Did more looking into this. Need 70% to get to herd immunity: Its nothing like that simple now with the new more virulent strains. https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html That doesnt say that it only needs to get to 70%. New York close to 70% Even that isnt clear. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose That isnt saying that its close to 70%. That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still not be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated. And there is no evidence that the 70% is the required level. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
"Snit" wrote in message ... On Jun 7, 2021 at 3:08:12 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote : "Snit" wrote in message ... FromTheRafters wrote: Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday : Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly. Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a little different. The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another. The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes the newer generations. Resistance can build. The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus. The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all. Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now. I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms, No you couldnt with that, it has been proven. but in general language agreed. |
OT: Vaccine causes virus mutations?
On Jun 7, 2021 at 4:24:07 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
: Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Snit wrote Rod Speed wrote Commander Kinsey wrote Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only mutate in infected people and so the fewer that get infected, the less the chance of it mutating. Exactly! So we should be using it sparingly. Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected. Yup. And they are nearing what they think is herd immunity in New York. Amazing. Dunno, nothing useful on that with https://www.google.com/search?q=herd...ty+in+New+York Gotta link ? Did more looking into this. Need 70% to get to herd immunity: Its nothing like that simple now with the new more virulent strains. That is what I thought, but I have found multiple sources saying 70% is what they think would do it. In the past I had seen 80-90%. https://www.jhsph.edu/covid-19/artic...h-covid19.html That doesnt say that it only needs to get to 70%. "What we know about coronavirus so far suggests that, if we were really to go back to a pre-pandemic lifestyle, we would need at least 70% of the population to be immune to keep the rate of infection down (€śachieve herd immunity€ť) without restrictions on activities." New York close to 70% Even that isnt clear. https://www.usnews.com/news/best-sta...a-vaccine-dose That isnt saying that its close to 70%. That does clarify that it is just one shot, not both -- so they will still not be quite at the 70% *fully* vaccinated. And there is no evidence that the 70% is the required level. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
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