On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 18:22:17 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


Viruses do not think.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Are you volunteering?

Keep your sick senile **** out of normally evolved humans' ngs, senile
trolling asshole!

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:22:17 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:42:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:05:10 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

Viruses do not think.

This one is cleverer than most.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Are you volunteering?

I admit I'm not the healthiest specimen. And I've volunteered by not having the vaccine. If my immune system can't kill it off, I shouldn't be here.

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:22:17 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:42:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:05:10 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

Viruses do not think.

This one is cleverer than most.

Nope, just more virulent than most.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Are you volunteering?

I admit I'm not the healthiest specimen. And I've volunteered by not
having the vaccine. If my immune system can't kill it off, I shouldn't be
here.

It didn't work like that with the spanish flu.

On Jun 10, 2021 at 10:50:38 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:22:17 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:42:39 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:05:10 +0100, Rod Speed
wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

Viruses do not think.

This one is cleverer than most.

In what way?



So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off, the world is too full.

Are you volunteering?

I admit I'm not the healthiest specimen. And I've volunteered by not having
the vaccine. If my immune system can't kill it off, I shouldn't be here.

And you are happy to take out innocent victims as you go.

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Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

We know that no virus has anything to think with
and we know how they mutate and that that has
nothing to do with any thinking by the virus.

Its called natural selection for a reason.

So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off,

It isnt just the weak that it kills. In spades with the
spanish flu, it killed the most healthy because they
were killed by the massive cytokine storm their very
healthy system produced when the virus infected them.

the world is too full.

You are free to top yourself any time you like.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 12:15:01 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:

Commander Kinsey wrote
Rod Speed wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase
the chances of the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

Nope, it's the reverse of that, the virus can only
mutate in infected people and so the fewer that
get infected, the less the chance of it mutating.

I doubt we know how the virus thinks.

We know that no virus has anything to think with
and we know how they mutate and that that has
nothing to do with any thinking by the virus.

Its called natural selection for a reason.

Naturally.


So we should be using it sparingly.

Nope, we should be vaccinating as many as possible with
the best vaccines to reduce the number who get infected.

Just let some weak folk die off,

It isnt just the weak that it kills. In spades with the
spanish flu, it killed the most healthy because they
were killed by the massive cytokine storm their very
healthy system produced when the virus infected them.

Thinks are not as black and white as he wants them to be. Things rarely are.



the world is too full.

You are free to top yourself any time you like.

Even though I made as similar comment, I do not want him to harm himself...
but I do want him to wake up to what he is saying.

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On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:17:39 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:



Even though I made as similar comment, I do not want him to harm himself...
but I do want him to wake up to what he is saying.

****, is there NO troll whose cock you will NOT suck?

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 05:15:01 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
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just the fact that we're capable of digesting meat?"

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On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance of
new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get it.

So we should be using it sparingly.


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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 19:14:21 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


No. It reduces the number of times

Just what does it take to reduce the number of times you will be sucking
that filthy troll's cock, senile **** the Git?

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:21 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance of
new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get it.

Do you think it's ok to have 7 billion people in the world?

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
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On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:21 +0100, Snit
wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance
of
new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get
it.

Do you think it's ok to have 7 billion people in the world?

Yep, produces a bigger market for what we make, produce etc.

Those on benefits should be executed but for
some reason that's gone out of fashion now.

On Fri, 11 Jun 2021 03:46:22 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
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After all, you paid good money for them. Then you've got to keep an eye
on them all the time."

Birdbrain: "Better than having to give them wages on top of that."

Senile Rodent: "Specially when they make more slaves for you
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MID:

On Jun 10, 2021 at 10:37:41 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:14:21 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 9:20:46 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?

No. It reduces the number of times it mutates and thus reduces the chance of
new strains. Hence it is important we help as many people as possible get
it.

Do you think it's ok to have 7 billion people in the world?

I said nothing about that.

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superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 21:45:01 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


I said nothing about that.

You just did, you trolling, troll-feeding senile ****head!

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

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On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already

On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote:
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the
chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine?Â* So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first
anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already

How did you manage that? What does the NHS app tell you?


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On 07/06/2021 21:02, % wrote:
On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances
of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated
in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already

How did you manage that?

He's a yank troll.

What does the NHS app tell you?

**** off yank troll in appropriate bureaucratic
language if it side loads it on an android phone.

On Jun 7, 2021 at 1:02:29 PM MST, "%" wrote
:

On 2021-06-07 12:59 p.m., Snit wrote:
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.


The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than first anticipated in
terms of preventing the disease at all.

i've had 3 shots already

How much time is left on the shot clock?

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"Snit" wrote in message
...
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.

Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.

On Tue, 8 Jun 2021 08:08:12 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On Jun 7, 2021 at 3:08:12 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
...
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.

Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.

I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms, but in general language
agreed.

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"Snit" wrote in message
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On Jun 7, 2021 at 3:08:12 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
...
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances
of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.

Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.

I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms,

No you couldnt with that, it has been proven.

but in general language agreed.

On Tue, 08 Jun 2021 00:09:44 +0100, Snit wrote:

On Jun 7, 2021 at 3:08:12 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Snit" wrote in message
...
FromTheRafters wrote:
Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

The good news is the vaccines seem to work better than
first anticipated in terms of preventing the disease at all.

Not just seems to, has been proven to do that now.

I could quibble over semantics and scientific terms

You always do.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:48:07 -0400, FromTheRafters, another mentally
challenged, troll-feeding, senile idiot, blathered:


Good point actually.

Another idiotic troll actually, and nothing else, you mentally deficient
troll-feeding senile asshole!

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 15:48:07 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.
A vaccinated person MAY be able to "host' the virus but it is
unlikely to reproduce at a sufficient rate to either cause the disease
or pass on to another host.

What we need to understand is the virus uses the host as a "factory"
to reproduce itself. It is the reproduction of the virus that causes
the "disease" and causes the damage to the host. Little or no
reproduction means little or no "disease" or "infection" and therefore
also a low probability of passing it on.

Is it POSSIBLE? Yes - at least theoretically. Is it PROBABLE? Not
really. Because it IS possible we take precautions - making the
probability even lower.

The more people infected - and the longer they remain infected, the
more likely another mutation will occur.
Vaccinated hosts are much less likely to produce a mutation than an
unvaccinated host because mutations are "manufacturing errors" -
"factory seconds" if you like. - or "defects"
MANY mutations cause the virus to not be able to replicate and
therefore fie. Others will be much less infrctious and also therefore
die out. Then ther are the ones that get "supercharged" in one way or
another getting more infectious and more dangerous

FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone
increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid
the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually.

Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate.

I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We
have heard about bacteria being resistant due to
overuse of antibacterials and antibiotics. This is a
little different.

Completely different in fact. Antibiotics kill bacteria
and are not always 100% successful, and that's what
produces resistance. Vaccination stops infection and
so the virus doesn't get to mutate in that individual.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population
who continue to harbor the virus, there will always be
some for one reason or another.

Not necessarily, we eliminated smallpox
from the wild by vaccination. And havent
quite done that yet with polio because
a few countrys refused to vaccinate.

The bigger the host population the more
the viruses environment shapes the newer
generations. Resistance can build.

Not in those who don't get infected because
they have been vaccinated and the more that
have been vaccinated, the fewer infected
people there are for the virus to mutate in.

The other point is, vaccinated people can
still host the virus and spread it to others,

Yes, but far fewer of those do that than the unvaccinated.

they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated.

That's just plain wrong. Vaccination dramatically
reduces the chance of being infected at all.

This is no magic bullet,

Vaccination has in fact been just that with smallpox
and quite a few other viruses too. It hasn't been
with influenza and the common cold because
they mutate much faster than most viruses.

it is just another common-sense
weapon in the battle against the virus.

It is in fact by far the most effective weapon
against the virus apart from isolation which
isnt practical for most people.

"Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed is an
insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can enhance his own
self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard man" on the
InterNet."

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FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually.

Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate.

Only if you take his "everyone" literally and assume that it is 100
percent effective at preventing "hosting" the virus. It seems you don't
understand how viruses mutate or how vaccines work.

FromTheRafters wrote
Rod Speed wrote
FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone
increase the chances of the virus mutating to avoid
the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually.

Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate.

Only if you take his "everyone" literally and assume that it
is 100 percent effective at preventing "hosting" the virus.

Doesn't need to be anything like 100% effective at reducing
the chance of getting infected to radically reduce the number
of hosts that the virus can reproduce in. That's the only way
it can mutate, by reproducing.

It seems you don't understand how viruses mutate

My original statement is completely accurate.

or how vaccines work.

And so is my later elaboration on that too.

The best of the covid vaccines have been shown to dramatically
reduce the rate of covid infection in the vaccinated. They don't
just reduce the rate of severe infection and death as you
previously claimed in another of your posts.

on 6/7/2021, Rod Speed supposed :
FromTheRafters wrote
Rod Speed wrote
FromTheRafters wrote
Commander Kinsey wrote

Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually.

Nope, shows a complete misunderstanding of how viruses mutate.

Only if you take his "everyone" literally and assume that it is 100 percent
effective at preventing "hosting" the virus.

Doesn't need to be anything like 100% effective at reducing
the chance of getting infected to radically reduce the number
of hosts that the virus can reproduce in. That's the only way
it can mutate, by reproducing.

Yes, it needs a host.

It seems you don't understand how viruses mutate

My original statement is completely accurate.

I didn't say it wasn't, I said the OP had a good point.

or how vaccines work.

And so is my later elaboration on that too.

The best of the covid vaccines have been shown to dramatically reduce the
rate of covid infection in the vaccinated. They don't just reduce the rate of
severe infection and death as you previously claimed in another of your
posts.

I didn't say that. I said:

"vaccinated people can still host the virus and spread it to others"

This means that while hosting the virus their systems present an
environmental selection against the currently targeted shapes of the
various vaccines' antibodies.

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:48:07 +0100, FromTheRafters wrote:

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

If the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it and passing it on, it's ****ing absolutely pointless! It's not going to slow down the passing of the virus whatsoever. Yet another waste of government money.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 10:48:05 AM MST, ""Commander Kinsey"" wrote
:

On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:48:07 +0100, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

If the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it and passing it on, it's ****ing
absolutely pointless!

How do you figure?

It's not going to slow down the passing of the virus whatsoever.

Again, how do you figure?

Yet another waste of government money.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 18:32:16 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:


How do you figure?

It's not going to slow down the passing of the virus whatsoever.

Again, how do you figure?

How do you dare to trash all these ngs with your endless senile off topic
****, **** the Git?

"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:48:07 +0100, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

If the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it and passing it on, it's
****ing absolutely pointless!

That only happens in a tiny subset of those vaccinated.

The vaccination also radically reduces the severity of the
disease if you do get infected and the risk of death too.

It's not going to slow down the passing of the virus whatsoever.

But when it works in the vast majority of the vaccinated, it does.

Yet another waste of government money.

Nope.

On Jun 9, 2021 at 12:27:47 PM MST, ""Rod Speed"" wrote
:



"Commander Kinsey" wrote in message
news
On Mon, 07 Jun 2021 20:48:07 +0100, FromTheRafters
wrote:

Commander Kinsey formulated on Monday :
Doesn't giving a coronavirus vaccine to everyone increase the chances of
the
virus mutating to avoid the vaccine? So we should be using it
sparingly.

Good point actually. I questioned this earlier as I was thinking about
in the USA we have basically three vaccines. We have heard about
bacteria being resistant due to overuse of antibacterials and
antibiotics. This is a little different.

The greatest threat is in the unvaccinated population who continue to
harbor the virus, there will always be some for one reason or another.
The bigger the host population the more the viruses environment shapes
the newer generations. Resistance can build.

The other point is, vaccinated people can still host the virus and
spread it to others, they are just less likely to get the serious
disease outcome than the unvaccinated. This is no magic bullet, it is
just another common-sense weapon in the battle against the virus.

If the vaccine doesn't stop you catching it and passing it on, it's
****ing absolutely pointless!

That only happens in a tiny subset of those vaccinated.

The vaccination also radically reduces the severity of the
disease if you do get infected and the risk of death too.

Right. He is trying to distill a complex issue into a binary world view. Does
not work.



It's not going to slow down the passing of the virus whatsoever.

But when it works in the vast majority of the vaccinated, it does.

Yet another waste of government money.

Nope.


--
Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot
use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow
superior by attacking the messenger.

They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again.

On Wed, 09 Jun 2021 19:31:56 GMT, **** the git, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile asshole, blathered again:

FLUSH another load of stinking senile TROLL****

On Thu, 10 Jun 2021 05:27:47 +1000, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the two subnormal sociopathic cretins' endless absolutely idiotic
blather

--
TYPICAL retarded "conversation" between sociopath Rodent and sociopath
Birdbrain from August 26th 2018:

Birdbrain: "I have one head but 5 fingers."

Senile Rodent: "Obvious lie. You hairy legged cross dressers are so inbred
that you all have two heads."

Birdbrain: "You're the one that likes hairy legs remember?"

Senile Rodent: "The problem isnt the hairy legs, it's the gross inbreeding
that
produces two headed unemployables like you."

Birdbrain: "So why did you mention hairy legs?"

Senile Rodent: "Because that's what those who arent actually stupid enough
to shave their legs have."

Birdbrain: "You only have hairy legs if both of the following are true:
1) You're quite far back on the evolutionary scale.
2) You haven't learned what a razor is for."

Senile Rodent: "Only a terminal ****wit or a woman shaves their legs."

Birdbrain: "There is literally zero point in having hair all over your
body."

Senile Rodent: "There is even less point in wasting your time changing what
you are born with."

MID: