If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago. Usually, a new drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA has a
strict approval process. The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619 serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse Event
Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in user-friendly format here). The flu vaccines by comparison are linked to 20€“30 death reports a
year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.

On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


With inflation coming one, no border control and pipeline hijacking
closing gas stations, Biden had to say something positive.

It is like Clinton bombing the aspirin factory during the Monica scandal.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago. Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process. The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here). The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths.
If you had a sucking chest wound from a gunshot
and tested positive for Covid, it was a Covid death.

More of your bare faced lies.

CDC has changed that now and are looking at co
morbidities and tossing out anyone who had anything
else wrong with them that could be to blame.

The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a
sharp enough pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary
failure that may have been exacerbated by Covid.

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

If there were preexisting conditions, it was an opinion call.

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

The opinions were changed by political reality.

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

The fact remained 65% of the population was not
fully vaccinated when the policy flipped last Friday.

No policy was flipped, that change in policy would always have happened.

I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

As I have been saying all along, the democrats know
that if this mask thing is not a distant memory next
year, they lose the senate and maybe the house.

Even sillier and more flagrantly dishonest than you usually
manage and thats saying something.

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.
The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it true.

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up about it.

On 5/17/2021 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.
The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?



Reverse oddity is the Chinese only claiming about 5,000 covid deaths.
If that were true, maybe they were designing a virus to kill only
non-Chinese that escaped from their lab.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths
from trauma were chalked up as Covid.

Bull**** and that's not all of them anyway,
you pathetic excuse for a lying bull**** artist.

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On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths and
attributing the underlying conditions.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it
true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up
about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

The vast bulk of those over 60 have underlying medical conditions, ****wit.

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths

They never did in enough numbers to matter.

and attributing the underlying conditions.

More of your bare faced lies.

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.. .
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it
true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up
about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

The vast bulk of those over 60 have underlying medical conditions, ****wit.

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths

They never did in enough numbers to matter.

and attributing the underlying conditions.

More of your bare faced lies.

The troll speaks but nobody cares

"Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

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...
On Tue, 18 May 2021 05:06:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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wrote in message
. ..
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it
true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut
up
about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

The vast bulk of those over 60 have underlying medical conditions,
****wit.

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths

They never did in enough numbers to matter.

and attributing the underlying conditions.

More of your bare faced lies.

The troll speaks but nobody cares

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

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On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 12:04:02 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20–30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20–30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil.

How many hospitals did you check with across the country before you came to
the conclusion that they were all committing fraud. None, you say? OK,
well, that explains things quite nicely.

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths and
attributing the underlying conditions.

media reports? That doesn't qualify as verified data.

Point to the CDC reports (they are there, on their website)
showing in particular cases of sucking chest wounds (your words)
that were counted as COVID-19 deaths. Not co-mordidities,
but cause of death. Also considering that a fatal lung infection
caused by COVID-19 can develop in a seriously injured or
ill patient causing death where the patient would otherwise
have recovered (i.e. comorbidity).

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:18:18 -0400, Heywood wrote:

On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

OK on page 5
"Comment: In this case, the immediate cause of death was
ARDS, so it was reported on line a. as a consequence of
pneumonia, which was reported on line b. The underlying cause of death
(UCOD) was COVID€“19 so it was reported on line c., the lowest line
used in Part I"

Covid appeared on that form and she got reported as "Dying with Covid
as an underlying cause of death" so she clicked the counter in the
stat.

Look at page 4
"A 77-year-old male with a 10-year history of hypertension and chronic
obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD) ... "
He had Covid on his form too.

They was some of those 96% of the people who got counted as a Covid
death in spite of other co morbidities.
This week CDC changed that.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.
It doesn't HAVE to be "either - or" Just like a sucking chest wounf
andCovid you can have a "vacuum head" and a "Lying B@$$T@rd" occupying
the same body

On Mon, 17 May 2021 16:41:44 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 12:04:02 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil.

How many hospitals did you check with across the country before you came to
the conclusion that they were all committing fraud. None, you say? OK,
well, that explains things quite nicely.

The guy at Lee Memorial explained it quite succinctly. If you tested
positive for Covid when you were initially diagnosed, Covid goes on
the form. Once it is on the form, all "covid" connected deaths get
reported as such, even if that is not the listed cause of death. It is
a co morbidity.
BTW he also pointed out that is all he needs to get the medicare Covid
money. As long as it is in the initial diagnosis, it is a co
morbidity.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:16:49 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut up about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths and
attributing the underlying conditions.

media reports? That doesn't qualify as verified data.

Point to the CDC reports (they are there, on their website)
showing in particular cases of sucking chest wounds (your words)
that were counted as COVID-19 deaths. Not co-mordidities,
but cause of death. Also considering that a fatal lung infection
caused by COVID-19 can develop in a seriously injured or
ill patient causing death where the patient would otherwise
have recovered (i.e. comorbidity).

It doesn't matter. If Covid is on that death certificate, it counted
in the stat. (Hence CDC saying 96% of people who were reported as
Covid victims had co morbidities).

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:18:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.ÂÂ* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.ÂÂ* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).ÂÂ* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€€œ30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€€œ30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

The form he linked confirmed what I said.
The examples also did not include people who tested positive and had
other totally unrelated symptoms, like that sucking chest wound. Covid
still appeared on the death certificate.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:31:27 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 16:41:44 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 12:04:02 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20–30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20–30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil.

How many hospitals did you check with across the country before you came to
the conclusion that they were all committing fraud. None, you say? OK,
well, that explains things quite nicely.

The guy at Lee Memorial explained it quite succinctly. If you tested
positive for Covid when you were initially diagnosed, Covid goes on
the form. Once it is on the form, all "covid" connected deaths get
reported as such, even if that is not the listed cause of death. It is
a co morbidity.
BTW he also pointed out that is all he needs to get the medicare Covid
money. As long as it is in the initial diagnosis, it is a co
morbidity.

Thanks for admitting that you haven't checked with anyone prior to making
your false assertion. Such honesty seems to be rare these days.

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:36:07 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:18:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

The form he linked confirmed what I said.
The examples also did not include people who tested positive and had
other totally unrelated symptoms, like that sucking chest wound. Covid
still appeared on the death certificate.

How many death certificates have you examined?

Never mind, I know the answer to that question. As usual, you're pulling
your info straight out of your tailpipe.

On 05/17/2021 08:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

I believe the battle cry is correlation does not prove causation.

The radio this morning reported that in this state there are 139
'breakthrough' cases of fully vaccinated people. 2 have died and I
believe he said 20 were hospitalized

I'm assuming those cases were symptomatic enough to have been tested.


one wonders how many fully vaccinated people have asymptomatic
infections particularly if judged by the criteria prior to the CDC
backing off on the cycle count.

With the amazing evolution of science in a week I believe the CDC has
destroyed their final shred of credibility. They have managed to create
a complete cluster ****.

On 05/17/2021 12:14 PM, Frank wrote:
On 5/17/2021 1:43 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.
The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?



Reverse oddity is the Chinese only claiming about 5,000 covid deaths. If
that were true, maybe they were designing a virus to kill only
non-Chinese that escaped from their lab.

The Chinese don't have a high regard for non-Han diversity.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 06:13:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
.. .
On Tue, 18 May 2021 05:06:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make it
true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or shut
up
about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

The vast bulk of those over 60 have underlying medical conditions,
****wit.

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths

They never did in enough numbers to matter.

and attributing the underlying conditions.

More of your bare faced lies.

The troll speaks but nobody cares

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

I did post another cite that was more on point but Lundrall chose to
snip it.

I think when the CEO of our big medical conglomerate goes on TV and
says how the policy works I tend to believe it and there have been
dozens of articles about this in print and online. I guess if Rachel
didn't say it, you didn't hear it.




It should be noted the CDC just said they are changing that policy so
if it didn't exist, why did they need to change it? (Go to the top of
this thread)

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:59:39 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:36:07 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:18:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.ÂÂ* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.ÂÂ* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).ÂÂ* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€€œ30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€€œ30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

The form he linked confirmed what I said.
The examples also did not include people who tested positive and had
other totally unrelated symptoms, like that sucking chest wound. Covid
still appeared on the death certificate.

How many death certificates have you examined?

Probably more than you but then you never actually add any real facts
to a conversation. You just throw out an insult and back off.
You are about like Rod. A ****ing troll.

Never mind, I know the answer to that question. As usual, you're pulling
your info straight out of your tailpipe.

I always give cites.

wrote in message
...
On Tue, 18 May 2021 06:13:30 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
. ..
On Tue, 18 May 2021 05:06:17 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



wrote in message
m...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 18:03:51 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 17:19:16 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

writes:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a
sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.

You are either lying intentionally or a deluded fool. I suspect
the
latter.

It is documented that plenty of deaths from trauma were chalked up as
Covid. The director of our biggest medical conglomerate admitted it
on
TV.

No such documentation exists, except in your head.

The criteria was, when admitted, if a Covid test was given (and
everyone got one) that a positive result got you listed as a Covid
patient, no matter why you were there. That was done for quarantine
purposes as much as anything but when you died, Covid was listed as a
contributing cause. Since we were ignoring co morbidities at the time
(95% of "Covid deaths" had them) the number got inflated.
This week CDC reversed that policy. Now only that 6% that had Covid
as
the only cause of death are called a Covid death.

Now who is lying?

You. You don't seem to realize that asserting something doesn't make
it
true.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/n...adverse-events

Provide a citation to verfied data that supports your assertion or
shut
up
about it.

CDC work for you?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/med...ns/ar-BB18wrA7

The vast bulk of those over 60 have underlying medical conditions,
****wit.

What changed is now they are not counting them as Covid deaths

They never did in enough numbers to matter.

and attributing the underlying conditions.

More of your bare faced lies.

The troll speaks but nobody cares

You never could bull**** your way out of a wet paper bag.

I did post another cite that was more on point but Lundrall chose to snip
it.

It said nothing about your stupid lie that

If you had a sucking chest wound from a gunshot
and tested positive for Covid, it was a Covid death.

I think when the CEO of our big medical conglomerate
goes on TV and says how the policy works

No CEO of your big medical conglomerate went
on TV and says how the policy works said anything
even remotely like your stupid lie.

I tend to believe it and there have been dozens
of articles about this in print and online.

Fools like you mindlessly repeating that stupid lie.

I guess if Rachel didn't say it, you didn't hear it.

Guess again. I don't even know who Rachel
is, let alone listen to anything she ever says.

It should be noted the CDC just said they are changing that
policy so if it didn't exist, why did they need to change it?

There never was any policy to that said if you had
a sucking chest wound from a gunshot and tested
positive for Covid, it was a Covid death.

(Go to the top of this thread)

No point, YOURS was a stupid bare faced lie.

wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:59:39 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:36:07 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:18:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski
wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the
market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago. Usually, a
new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the
FDA
has a strict approval process. The COVID-19 vaccines have been
exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine
Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here). The flu vaccines by comparison are
linked
to 20€€œ30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough,
and
those 20€€œ30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to
prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been
verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today,
it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and
tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

The form he linked confirmed what I said.
The examples also did not include people who tested positive and had
other totally unrelated symptoms, like that sucking chest wound. Covid
still appeared on the death certificate.

How many death certificates have you examined?

Probably more than you but then you never actually add any real facts
to a conversation. You just throw out an insult and back off.
You are about like Rod. A ****ing troll.

Never mind, I know the answer to that question. As usual, you're pulling
your info straight out of your tailpipe.

I always give cites.

Another bare faced lie with that stupid lie that if
you had a sucking chest wound from a gunshot
and tested positive for Covid, it was a Covid death.

On Tue, 18 May 2021 00:09:04 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:59:39 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:36:07 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 17 May 2021 22:18:43 GMT, (Scott Lurndal)
wrote:

Heywood writes:
On 5/17/2021 12:04 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 17 May 2021 10:30:27 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 5/17/2021 9:50 AM, Oliver George wrote:
If these were any other vaccines, they would already be off the market.

In fact, they would have been pulled a long time ago.Â* Usually, a new
drug is withdrawn after 50 deaths, which isn't typical because the FDA
has a strict approval process.Â* The COVID-19 vaccines have been exempted
from it, instead being temporarily "authorized" for emergency use.

These vaccines have coincided with 3,544 American deaths and 12,619
serious injuries as of April 23, according to the CDC's Vaccine Adverse
Event Reports System database (VAERS, republished "as is" in
user-friendly format here).Â* The flu vaccines by comparison are linked
to 20€“30 death reports a year, according to Dr. Peter McCullough, and
those 20€“30 death reports come with considerably more vaccines
administered.

This is precisely the kind of thing FDA approval is supposed to prevent.


https://www.americanthinker.com/arti...ath_spike.html


Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

That was the method used to count Covid deaths. If you had a sucking
chest wound from a gunshot and tested positive for Covid, it was a
Covid death.
CDC has changed that now and are looking at co morbidities and tossing
out anyone who had anything else wrong with them that could be to
blame.
The reality is nobody ever died of "Covid" if you have a sharp enough
pencil. They usually had a cardiopulmonary failure that may have been
exacerbated by Covid. If there were preexisting conditions, it was an
opinion call. The opinions were changed by political reality.
The fact remained 65% of the population was not fully vaccinated when
the policy flipped last Friday.
I posted the CDC numbers as reported by Reuters a couple days ago.

They moved the goal posts for purely political reasons.
As I have been saying all along, the democrats know that if this mask
thing is not a distant memory next year, they lose the senate and
maybe the house.


There is a specific method to report a death.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvss/vsrg/vsrg03-508.pdf

Take a look at page 5 about sequentially reporting causes.

Now see, you're confusing Fretwell with facts.

The form he linked confirmed what I said.
The examples also did not include people who tested positive and had
other totally unrelated symptoms, like that sucking chest wound. Covid
still appeared on the death certificate.

How many death certificates have you examined?

Probably more than you but then you never actually add any real facts
to a conversation. You just throw out an insult and back off.
You are about like Rod. A ****ing troll.

What do you want me to do? When I point out that you're full of ****,
should I continue to rub your nose in it? I'd rather not do that because it
would turn into a full time job, so I call you on your bull**** and then I
'back off', as you call it. You never seem to learn, though. You're as
ignorant now as you were a year ago. Back then you might have had an
excuse, since we were all learning as we went, but you never seemed to get
up to speed.

For the past year, you've repeatedly claimed to know what hospitals across
the country are doing WRT to COVID reporting, repeatedly claiming that
they're all corrupt. Now you're bull****ting about what's on death
certificates. In both cases, you're completely making it up. I'm not wrong
to point that out.

Never mind, I know the answer to that question. As usual, you're pulling
your info straight out of your tailpipe.

I always give cites.

Sure you do. You 'heard something' on TV. Thanks for playing.

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


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This sick senile Yankie asshole just LOVES to hear itself talking! LOL

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Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

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On Mon, 17 May 2021 20:26:24 -0600, lowbrowwoman, the endlessly driveling,
troll-feeding, senile idiot, blabbered again:

On 05/17/2021 08:30 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Evidently you do not know how to read and interpret the numbers
reported. Look at the fine print. The deaths have not been verified
from the vaccine.

If you got vaccinated yesterday, got killed in a car accident today, it
can be reported by anyone as a possible vaccine death.

Coincided with does not mean caused by.

I believe the battle cry is correlation does not prove causation.

I believe that, slowly but surely, all the other senile Yanks in this ng
will find out what an endlessly driveling bigmouth you are, lowbrowwoman!
BG