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On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

We do it with motorcycle helmets.
If you don't wear one, Darwin gets a swing at you and the government
doesn't care.




The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time
with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is
it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

So they are basing policy on the latest guess.

Nope, the latest EVIDENCE, ****wit.

This is far from settled science

There is no alternative with a NEW virus, ****wit.

and you seem to be admitting that.

More of your utterly mindless bull****.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my
shots, it's been 3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.

Basically you are saying this will never end

Wrong, as always.

because there will always be the chance
of infection no matter what we do.

More utterly mindless pig ignorant ****.

If the vaccine is working, why are we still wearing masks?

Because not everyone is vaccinated yet, and it takes time
for the immune system to develop immunity, ****wit.

If the vaccine is not working,

We know it is, very well indeed.

what is your idea of an end game?

I doubt we will ever get to zero chance of an infection.

What matters is that the risk is radically reduced, ****wit.

There are certainly plenty of small businesses that will never open again.

That's what pandemics can do, ****wit.

reams of your even more stupid **** flushed where it belongs

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 15:19:50 +1000, "Rod Speed"
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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 21:27:08 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 22:17:48 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake
wrote:

On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote:
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the
propaganda
doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't
be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental
treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages
that may result.

For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail.

Maybe they should round up folks like you who are unable or unwilling to
use reason, logic, and common sense, and take the lot of you to
designated
areas around the country where you know what happens next.

Does that sound familiar?

If you are right and he is wrong, he will die of Covid

Wrong, as always. **** all get killed by the virus, even if they do get
infected.

and you can say "told you so".
Isn't that enough?

Not when stupid ****s like you two infect and kill others.

You realize you just contradicted yourself in 2 consecutive sentences.

No I didn't.

"**** all get killed by the virus, even if they do get infected"
"Not when stupid ****s like you two infect and kill others".

There is no contradiction there, ****wit.

When you settle the argument with yourself come back and join us.

Go and **** yourself, again.

On 4/29/21 3:53 AM, Bod wrote:
but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers


Despite all the leftist MSM propaganda, the numbers show the Fauci-19 virus is pretty mild.
It doesn't warrant taking untested experimental gene therapy administered by Nurse Ratched.


Remember, after a year we only saw 3 million deaths out of 8 billion people.

3,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = .000375 or .0375%

And the average covid death was age 80.

Ohhhhh! Big scary numbers. Did the purple-haired fact-checkers at FecesBook skip Math 101?

On 29/04/2021 11:47, RP McMurphy wrote:
On 4/29/21 3:53 AM, Bod wrote:
but you can still be a carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers


Despite all the leftist MSM propaganda, the numbers show the Fauci-19
virus is pretty mild.
It doesn't warrant taking untested experimental gene therapy
administered by Nurse Ratched.


Remember, after a year we only saw 3 million deaths out of 8 billion
people.

3,000,000 / 8,000,000,000 = .000375 or .0375%

And the average covid death was age 80.

Ohhhhh! Big scary numbers.Â* Did the purple-haired fact-checkers at
FecesBook skip Math 101?




It's NOT gene therapy.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no footage of it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers, whether they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum bag
Trump really is.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca
vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between
38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated
people, PHE found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.

I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

Well said, Frank.



Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



--
Maggie

In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison
to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that
all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding,
no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid,
we need the vaccine now, not years from now.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 6:17:53 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Frank "frank wrote:
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.
I do follow the science and the facts - the real ones, not the propaganda
doled out by our lying government and mass media. That's why I won't
be vaccinated. It is the idiots who are lining up for experimental
treatments designed by companies who cannot be sued for any damages
that may result.

For the rest of us reason, logic, and common sense prevail.


ROFL. Right it's all lies, Covid is no big deal, we don't have almost 600K dead
from it. I suppose you believe Trump is going to return to office in August,
the same nut propaganda folks are saying that too.

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:53:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:10:12 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one)


I am with you. Give it a couple of months and when everyone has a
chance go get vccanated, go back to normal and let Darwin decide.

There was an artical in the local paper about having shots that are not
being used because of no takers.

Most of the pandemic 'rules' remind me of what a supervisor at work said
one time. I what I say may not be correct , but I have to say
something, that is my job.


I can't speak for the rest of the country but if you want a shot, you
can have one here and it has been that way for almost a month. Once
supply caught up with demand, the rollout included all of the big
commercial pharmacies and the county finally got their act together
you just signed up and got your shots. We didn't have to stand in line
or play one of those "caller # 99" games on the internet.
Now it is just show up and get a shot, like the flu shots. They can't
give away all they have available.
I think it is time to tell the anti vax folks, "You made your choice,
here we come" and throw away these silly masks.
The state is already open and has been since last year.

The doomsday scenario didn't happen. We get some cases and the numbers
rise and fall but the fact is you have as good a chance of dying in
your car as you do from dying of Covid here right now (about 50 a week
in the last hyped up "spike").

It isnt just about dying, stupid.
There is no real stress on the hospitals either. What scares you so
bad?

600K dead Americans? People with lung transplants? People still suffering
from bizarre effects a year later? Knowing friends of friends, relatives of
friends that died? Knowing that while the risks are now lowering, it's far from
over?



We watched Crocodile Dundee and got the idea Australians were tough
but you seem, like pussies scared of everything the more we get to
know about you. I guess it was just a movie.

I'd say it's more like you're still in denial. Remember a year ago, when you advocated
for letting her rip? How many more dead and sick do you think there would have
been had that been the policy?

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:03:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.
We do it with motorcycle helmets.
If you don't wear one, Darwin gets a swing at you and the government
doesn't care.
The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

So they are basing policy on the latest guess.

There you go again.


This is far from
settled science and you seem to be admitting that.
I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Basically you are saying this will never end because there will always
be the chance of infection no matter what we do.

If the vaccine is working, why are we still wearing masks?

That has been explained to you many times, in detail here. Yet you keep
asking.



If the vaccine is not working, what is your idea of an end game?

The vaccine is working, it's just that we need as many people as possible to
get vaccinated. One person who could do a lot there is Trump. Yet as
usual, he's MIA. He could be making public service commercials, urging
the Trumpets that think he's a god, to get vaccinated. Instead, what did he
do? He got vaccinated in secret and won't speak out. Why? He knows that
all the anti-mask, anti-social distancing, anti-vax BS that he helped create
is still going strong. He won't say anything because it would cost him some
support. And that's one thing Trump will never do, risk ****ing off anyone who
supports him, whether they are anti-vaxers, Qanon, or white supremacists.
The only thing Trump cares about is that they like him and he won't do
anything to upset that. A true scum bag to the end.


I doubt we will ever get to zero chance of an infection.
There are certainly plenty of small businesses that will never open
again. I know, **** them. You still get your government check every
month.

What do you expect? It's a pandemic and pandemics throughout history have
had serious consequences and major negative effects.

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In article ,
says...

In other words, you're a coward. You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated, while afraid to take a tiny risk, one that pales in comparison
to the real, deadly effects of the disease. I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated. It said that this is the first time since WWII that
all Americans need to come together for the common good. You're hiding,
no surprise there. And with almost 600K Americans DEAD from Covid,
we need the vaccine now, not years from now.



There was about 6 to 10 people that developed the blood clots.

I just wonder how many were killed or in accidents on the way to get
vaccinated ? There are close to 40,000 killed on the highways and hard
telling how many with major injuries yet no one is calling for a ban on
cars.

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 6:20:03 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.
I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.
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Covid vaccines: experimental biology -- https://tinyurl.com/57mncfm5
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Don't talk to cops! -- https://DontTalkToCops.com
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You sound like a woman I know. She's gone Qanon crazy, thinks Covid is a global
conspiracy, believes some nutty osteopathic doctor who's been an anti-vaxer
from long before Covid. Said doc says that people will be dropping dead anywhere
from 42 days to a few months after being vaccinated. She said that in February.
Yet people have been getting the vaccines for over a year now in the USA and
so far, worst that we have is a few deaths that are likely the result of extremely
rare reactions, something that is seen with many vaccines.

This woman I know, she's a diehard Trump supporter. I find it interesting how
she can reconcile that with believing there is an evil worldwide conspiracy with Covid,
that the vaccine is going to kill us all. Trump takes credit for developing the
vaccine, so he must be part of it. You must have the same inherent contradiction.

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?

On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr



The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?


I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER
several years of revealing the various serious side effects.Â* I'm good
with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were too
casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere. They can't social distance.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick. Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered at
home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well. A few died from
complications from their comorbities and covid.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an untested
"vaccine." Waiting to see how many people die or get sick from the
vaccine is a better approach, IMO.

--
Maggie

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 6:20:03 PM UTC-4, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.
I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.

Here's one for all you vaccine doubters:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2021/04/own-the-libs-get-vaxxed/

Cindy Hamilton

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 6:06:03 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 14:56:54 -0500, (Ant) wrote:

But many aren't getting their second shots for Moderna, Phizer, etc. J&J
is a single shot, but not that effective compared to other brands? I
read we might need booster shots later on.
I have been saying all along, this is going to be an annual ritual
like the flu shot. Pfizer has already said a 3d shot is coming.

That reminds me: I'm due for my tetanus booster. That's only every 10 years.

Cindy Hamilton

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no footage of it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers, whether they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum bag
Trump really is.

Trump has been gone for 100 days. Let it go.
Where is that big change we were going to see? I haven't see a damned
thing change. We are still counting on Trump's vaccine but you folks
are now quibbling on that.
Now you are telling me it doesn't stop the spread of the virus in any
appreciable way and we still might die even if we are vaccinated.
Is there a plan for the end of this yet?

I see, you have already turned on the guy you voted for so you must
not be looking at him for it.

On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.


I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.



I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot.
After a number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will
get an annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves
safe before I take that untested shot.

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Maggie

On 4/29/2021 2:06 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.


I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.



I decided a long time ago I wouldn't live in fear. Since, I can't wear
masks, I'm going to live normally, which means, I go where I want, when
I want, and LIVE MY LIFE as I see fit.

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Maggie

On 4/29/2021 10:46 AM, Muggles wrote:


We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.Â* They can't social distance.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.Â* Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered at
home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well.Â* A few died from
complications from their comorbities and covid.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an untested
"vaccine."Â* Waiting to see how many people die or get sick from the
vaccine is a better approach, IMO.


There have been millions of doses given in the past year so not very
experimental at this stage. '\

Only a few dies? 600,000 is more than a few.

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to
"Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time
with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where
is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's
been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.

What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end.

Wrong, all you need for 90s% to be vaccinated to see the virus no longer
relevant.

Is that what you are saying?

Nope, and you are too ****ing stupid to even work that out.

On 4/29/2021 6:21 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 1:22:39 PM UTC-4, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca
vaccines - and who became infected three weeks later - were between
38% and 49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated
people, PHE found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.

I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

Well said, Frank.



Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



--
Maggie



In other words, you're a coward.


HAHAHA You believe taking care of MY own health in MY bests interests
is being a coward? naaaaaa ....



You're getting the benefit of all those that
were vaccinated,

Being an observer and learning from the bad choices other people make is
a good character trait.

Allowing other people to be guinea pigs and watching to see is they live
or die after getting an untested "vaccine" is being a coward, too? Nope
.... it's called WISDOM!


while afraid to take a tiny risk,

Why should I take a risk by taking an untested shot? I think that's
stupidity to take a shot that has NOT been tested.


I just heard a commercial urging
people to get vaccinated.


Commercials are promotions to the general public in order to SELL and
spin an idea and/or a product. Done properly, a marketer can spin the
same product different ways to target specific groups of people.
Manipulation of a target people group is not difficult to achieve, either.




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Maggie

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:30:34 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 12:02:46 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 09:53:27 +1000, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



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On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 12:10:12 -0400, Ralph Mowery
wrote:

In article ,
says...

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one)


I am with you. Give it a couple of months and when everyone has a
chance go get vccanated, go back to normal and let Darwin decide.

There was an artical in the local paper about having shots that are not
being used because of no takers.

Most of the pandemic 'rules' remind me of what a supervisor at work said
one time. I what I say may not be correct , but I have to say
something, that is my job.


I can't speak for the rest of the country but if you want a shot, you
can have one here and it has been that way for almost a month. Once
supply caught up with demand, the rollout included all of the big
commercial pharmacies and the county finally got their act together
you just signed up and got your shots. We didn't have to stand in line
or play one of those "caller # 99" games on the internet.
Now it is just show up and get a shot, like the flu shots. They can't
give away all they have available.
I think it is time to tell the anti vax folks, "You made your choice,
here we come" and throw away these silly masks.
The state is already open and has been since last year.

The doomsday scenario didn't happen. We get some cases and the numbers
rise and fall but the fact is you have as good a chance of dying in
your car as you do from dying of Covid here right now (about 50 a week
in the last hyped up "spike").

It isnt just about dying, stupid.
There is no real stress on the hospitals either. What scares you so
bad?

600K dead Americans? People with lung transplants? People still suffering
from bizarre effects a year later? Knowing friends of friends, relatives of
friends that died? Knowing that while the risks are now lowering, it's far from
over?



We watched Crocodile Dundee and got the idea Australians were tough
but you seem, like pussies scared of everything the more we get to
know about you. I guess it was just a movie.

I'd say it's more like you're still in denial. Remember a year ago, when you advocated
for letting her rip? How many more dead and sick do you think there would have
been had that been the policy?

Hard to say based on the Florida experiment.
Our death rate is lower than more than half the states (rank #28 out
of 51) and we have pretty much been let'n r rip since the summer.

New Jersey, still somewhat locked down 286/100,000 Median age 40.1
Florida, mostly open since summer 162/100,000 Median age 42.5

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...s-us-by-state/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o..._by_median_age

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr



The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?


I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were too
casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.

Wrong, as always.

They can't social distance.

Wrong, as always.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got sick.

Because they compressively ****ed up what they tried
because fools like you refused to wear masks.

Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered at home.
Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well.

And plenty of those had long term major health
downsides and other very unpleasant long term
downsides like loss of small and taste etc.

A few died

600K isnt a few, ****wit.

from complications from their comorbities and covid.

Another bare faced lie with that comorbiditys claim.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an untested
"vaccine."

They have been very thoroughly tested, you silly little pathological liar.

Waiting to see how many people die or get sick from the vaccine is a
better approach, IMO.

Yes, you actually are that terminal a ****wit. Hopefully literally.

The risk with the vaccines is FAR less than with the virus, ****wit.

On 4/29/2021 9:59 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/29/2021 10:46 AM, Muggles wrote:


We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.Â* They can't social distance.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.Â* Some never knew they had covid, others got sick and recovered
at home. Still other were hospitalized and STILL got well.Â* A few died
from complications from their comorbities and covid.

I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an
untested "vaccine."Â* Waiting to see how many people die or get sick
from the vaccine is a better approach, IMO.



There have been millions of doses given in the past year so not very
experimental at this stage.Â* '\

There has also been many different reaction to the shots. There is not
enough data on how the shots effect people after time has passed. I'll
still wait a few years before considering taking a covid shot.


Only a few dies?Â* 600,000 is more than a few.


Only a few die from the shots? Why did they die?

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Maggie

On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?


Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a
jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.

On 4/29/2021 10:09 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


"Muggles" wrote in message
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On 4/28/2021 12:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 28/04/2021 18:21, Muggles wrote:
On 4/28/2021 9:41 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 13:57:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 28/04/2021 13:50, Frank wr



The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?


I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER
several years of revealing the various serious side effects.Â* I'm
good with letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.



We haven't got years to wait, action is needed NOW.
Have a look how bad it is in India right now, this because they were
too casual with non social distancing and lack of masks etc.
They are dying in the streets.

India is wall to wall people everywhere.

Wrong, as always.

They can't social distance.

Wrong, as always.

Despite all the precautions Americans have tried, American still got
sick.

Because they compressively ****ed up what they tried
because fools like you refused to wear masks.


People who "compressively"(your word) wore masks STILL caught covid.



I'm still not becoming a guinea pig to experiment upon with an
untested "vaccine."

They have been very thoroughly tested, you silly little pathological liar.


In YOUR mind .... you're welcome to believe whatever you want. hahaha


Waiting to see how many people die or get sick from the vaccine is a
better approach, IMO.



Yes, you actually are that terminal a ****wit. Hopefully literally.

Aren't you one of those liberal people who are against hate? hahaha

You hate people who disagree with you. Do you know why you're that way?
You're weak and have a poor moral code.


The risk with the vaccines is FAR less than with the virus, ****wit.


In YOUR mind...

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Maggie

On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:40:05 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Thursday, April 29, 2021 at 3:03:42 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.
We do it with motorcycle helmets.
If you don't wear one, Darwin gets a swing at you and the government
doesn't care.
The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

So they are basing policy on the latest guess.

There you go again.


This is far from
settled science and you seem to be admitting that.
I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Basically you are saying this will never end because there will always
be the chance of infection no matter what we do.

If the vaccine is working, why are we still wearing masks?

That has been explained to you many times, in detail here. Yet you keep
asking.



If the vaccine is not working, what is your idea of an end game?

The vaccine is working, it's just that we need as many people as possible to
get vaccinated. One person who could do a lot there is Trump. Yet as
usual, he's MIA. He could be making public service commercials, urging
the Trumpets that think he's a god, to get vaccinated. Instead, what did he
do? He got vaccinated in secret and won't speak out. Why? He knows that
all the anti-mask, anti-social distancing, anti-vax BS that he helped create
is still going strong. He won't say anything because it would cost him some
support. And that's one thing Trump will never do, risk ****ing off anyone who
supports him, whether they are anti-vaxers, Qanon, or white supremacists.
The only thing Trump cares about is that they like him and he won't do
anything to upset that. A true scum bag to the end.


I doubt we will ever get to zero chance of an infection.
There are certainly plenty of small businesses that will never open
again. I know, **** them. You still get your government check every
month.

What do you expect? It's a pandemic and pandemics throughout history have
had serious consequences and major negative effects.

Nothing has been explained. I only hear the contradictory statements
from the guessers.
You folks say nothing is 100% but you are not going to take your knee
off the neck of the economy until we get to 100%.

We started by saying we were going to flatten the curve so the
hospitals could handle the flow.
We did that. The hospitals were never really overloaded except for a
few isolated places, mostly ones that have little capacity in the
first place

We were going to run out of ventilators and everyone was trying to
make more.
We never ran out and now they are a glut on the market. I know a guy
with a warehouse full he can't sell if you have a local issue

The vaccine was what we needed
We have it

Lock downs and masks work.
Explain why states with draconian measures are doing worse than those
without.

This is far from settled science, It is arguable that there is little
actual science involved in these policies at all.

Explain how what we have been doing science here

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scient...fic_Method.svg

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On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 04:17:26 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 28, 2021 at 8:50:47 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/28/2021 8:44 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/28/2021 7:16 AM, Larry wrote:
On 4/28/21 4:39 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose of a coronavirus vaccine can reduce household
transmission of the virus by up to half, a study shows.

Those given a first dose of either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca
vaccines
- and who became infected three weeks later - were between 38% and
49% less likely to pass the virus on than unvaccinated people, PHE
found.

In the study, protection against Covid was seen from about 14 days
after vaccination, with similar levels of protection regardless of
age of cases or contacts, PHE said in a statement.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56904993

Another good reason to get the vaccine.
This sends a message to all of the antvaxxers.


**** the commie leftist maskhole nazicrats!
You actually think I'm going to voluntarily take a shot of
no-liability experimental gene therapy?






I'd not do that either but since the vaccine is not gene therapy I go
both shots. Don't let facts get in the way of your decision though.
I've had my two shots for months now. So has my whole family with
exception of 6 year old granddaughter. I think it is stupid not to
follow the science and the facts.

If you do not want to be vaccinated that is your choice and you can live
with the consequences.

And yet your hero, Donald Trump, sits by and does nothing to encourage
the Trumpets who follow him like a God, to get vaccinated. He even made
sure his vaccination was done in private, so there would be no footage of
it.
He doesn't want to do anything to oppose any of his followers, whether
they
are anti-vaxxers or white supremacists. Polls show 45% of Republicans say
they refuse to get vaccinated. Further evidence of what a total scum bag
Trump really is.

Trump has been gone for 100 days.

Not from the Repug Party he isnt.

Let it go.

Go and **** yourself, again.

Where is that big change we were going to see?

Even you should have noticed the big spending
binge Biden has just proposed to Congress.

I haven't see a damned thing change.

Then you need new glasses bad, particularly with the
cancellation of the gas pipeline and the vaccine rollout.

We are still counting on Trump's vaccine
but you folks are now quibbling on that.

More of your bare faced lies. You are so
****ing stupid you never did understand
a damned thing about vaccines.

Now you are telling me it doesn't stop the
spread of the virus in any appreciable way

Another bare faced lie. No one is saying that
and we know know that it does in fact very
dramatically stop the spread of the virus,
but doesn't not do that completely.

and we still might die even if we are vaccinated.

Nope, the phase 3 trials prove that you don't
die even if your immune system is ****ed and
you do get infected after being vaccinated.

Is there a plan for the end of this yet?

Corse there is, vaccinate the vast bulk of people and see that
see the virus as no longer a problem. That's what happened
with smallpox, polio, measles, yellow fever etc etc etc.

I see, you have already turned on the guy you voted
for so you must not be looking at him for it.

Another stupid lie with vaccination.

On 4/29/2021 10:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?



Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a
jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


How do you KNOW "Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse"????

--
Maggie

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 4/28/2021 5:19 PM, Roger Blake wrote:
On 2021-04-28, Muggles wrote:
I've no problem with taking a vaccine that is proven safe AFTER several
years of revealing the various serious side effects. I'm good with
letting other people stepping up to be guinea pigs.


I'm perfectly fine with Leftists stepping up to the plate to take
part in these medical experimentation. Jab the lot of 'em.



I observed the end result of when people were taking the flu shot. After a
number of years, the side effects were minimal, so I now will get an
annual flu shot. I'm waiting until the covid "vaccine" proves safe before
I take that untested shot.

Its a bare faced lie that the covid vaccines are untested.

On 4/29/2021 11:14 AM, Bod wrote:
On 29/04/2021 15:38, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 08:53:34 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 29/04/2021 08:06, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 10:41:00 -0400, wrote:

Once everyone is vaccinated who wants to be, why are we not "lettn ur
rip"?
Let Darwin decide who dies.

Which country does that? The US obviously doesn't operate that way and
never has.

The original story was we wanted to limit infection to prevent
overloading hospitals
We are there and have been for quite a while in the US.

Then it was we need to build herd immunity.
Between the vaccine and natural cases, we are about as close as we
will get. They can't fill all the vaccine slots they have now. Anyone
who wants the shot can get it.

Masks have gone from "the general public doesn't need a mask" to "Wear
2". The CDC has finally relaxed the rule and said if you are outside,
all alone, you don't need one. (like people outside all alone ever
needed one).

The lock down thing is, at best, inconclusive.
States that are wide open like Florida are not doing any worse than
states that are locked down.

You folks really need to pick a story and stick to it.

What is it about science that bothers you? Why do you have a hard time with
the concept of learning as we go and adapting to what we learn? Where is it
written that "In the beginning everything will be known and no new
information will be discovered"? I haven't seen that written anywhere.

I am about to be done with all of this crap. I had my shots, it's been
3 weeks. What else do you want?

A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
Â*Â* WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.

I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

The vaccine doesn't necessarily make you immune, but it does give you
much better protection from the virus.
What is sad, is that you may be vaccinated, but you can still be a
carrier/spreader to the 40% of idiot antivaxxers and the folk who can't
be vaccinated for health reasons, thereby perpetuating the constant
spread of the virus.

So this will never end. Is that what you are saying?


Well it could turn out to be similar to the flu in respect of needing a jab every year to immunise for the new strains that develop.
Anti vaxxers just make the problem a lot worse.


President Trump was instrumental in getting the vaccines to market in record time.

I remember all the lefty libtards said it wasn't possible but President Trump did it.

"Muggles" wrote in message ...
On 4/29/2021 2:06 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 29 Apr 2021 00:49:57 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 28 Apr 2021 23:43:31 -0500, Jim Joyce
wrote:
A modicum of common sense doesn't seem like too much to ask.
WAY too much to expect of Greg Fretwell. What bothers him about
science is he has n ointerest in understanding it. He's worked all his
pitiful life at remaining in the ignorant state we are all born in,
and he'll be damned if he's going to give up on the job at this
advanced stage of his life.


I am not going to squander the rest of my life quivering in fear.
I played the game, I wore my face covering, I got the ****ing
vaccination. I am about to be done with this ****. If I die I will die
out there living, not huddled in the corner scared of a virus I am
supposed to be immune to now.

I decided a long time ago I wouldn't live in fear.

It isnt about fear, its about sensible precautions.

Since, I can't wear masks,

Another bare faced lie.

I'm going to live normally, which means, I go where I want, when I want,
and LIVE MY LIFE as I see fit.

Yep, you actually are that terminal a ****wit, hopefully quite literally.

And a sociopath.