A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting
down around the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

Bull**** they are. And even the one that has only
50% effectiveness is still a ****ing sight better
than no vaccine at all. And the Astrozenica which
did have 66% effectiveness with a full first dose,
has 95% when the first does is a half dose.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

On 1/29/2021 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.


Fortunately, the experts know better.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:11:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.


Fortunately, the experts know better.

Fauci is not an expert now?
He is the one I heard question the effectiveness of the J&J tonight on
NBC

On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated. Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they
said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge
improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.

That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated.

Thats never going to happen.

Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.

Wrong, as always,

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good to
see you've abandoned that.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:11:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:11:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.


Fortunately, the experts know better.

Fauci is not an expert now?
He is the one I heard question the effectiveness of the J&J tonight on
NBC

You weren't listening closely, which is typical.

wrote in message
...
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge
improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need
to continue all of the protocols you are doing now.

Wrong. as always. All you need to do is get tested

Fauci said that not me.

Bull**** he did.

That doesn't open closed businesses, let you
go to a ball game or take off your mask.

Corse it does if you test negative.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 19:57:59 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


That¢s never going to happen.

Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.

Wrong, as always,

More senile troll**** from you, as always, senile Australian pest!

--
"Who or What is Rod Speed?

Rod Speed is an entirely modern phenomenon. Essentially, Rod Speed
is an insecure and worthless individual who has discovered he can
enhance his own self-esteem in his own eyes by playing "the big, hard
man" on the InterNet."
https://www.pcreview.co.uk/threads/r...d-faq.2973853/

On 1/29/21 10:49 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective, the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89% effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.


All vaccines are worthless until they work well enough to eliminate the quadruple mask requirement.

On 30/01/2021 12:03, Blue Face wrote:
On 1/29/21 10:49 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.


All vaccines are worthless until they work well enough to eliminate the
quadruple mask requirement.

Which virus expert has suggested that 4 masks are required?

On Friday, January 29, 2021 at 9:34:05 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.
I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

Another bizarre interpretation, inconsistent with facts.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 2:11:07 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.
If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

That is another misrepresentation of what Fauci, Pfizer and others have said,
even though we went throught this with you a month or so ago here.
What they said was that since the testing protocols did not test for the presence
of Covid in the test subjects during the course of the tests, they do not know for
sure that the vaccines prevent you from getting infected and possibly being able
to still transmit it. And hence people should still take the same precautions
they are taking now until we know more and until vaccinations get the infection
rate way down. In other words, don't be a knucklehead. And they and other
viral experts said that they do believe it is highly likely that the vaccines do
prevent you from getting infected and transmitting it, that it would be very
unusual if they did not.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:27:31 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated. Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.

We can't get more than 60-70% to get a free flu shot and it is just
walk up and get the shot. My supermarket (Publix) will pay you $10 to
get the shot.

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good to
see you've abandoned that.

Not really. If your odds are 50:50 that you get the shot and you still
get sick, it is a coin toss.
That was when you folks started quibbling about "how sick".
You also ignored the fact that 50% of the 60 or 70% that will take the
shot is not doing much for herd immunity. (30-35% for you public
school people)

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:39 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:11:44 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:11:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.


Fortunately, the experts know better.

Fauci is not an expert now?
He is the one I heard question the effectiveness of the J&J tonight on
NBC

You weren't listening closely, which is typical.

It is still on my TiVo, should I post the sound clip and you tell me
what you think he said?

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 04:43:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

And hence people should still take the same precautions
they are taking now until we know more and until vaccinations get the infection
rate way down.


In other words don't reopen closed businesses, no sports venues, wear
your mask.

What did I say different?

On 1/29/2021 11:11 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 20:11:49 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 1/29/2021 6:33 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.


Fortunately, the experts know better.

Fauci is not an expert now?
He is the one I heard question the effectiveness of the J&J tonight on
NBC


There are numerous reports, and some are very positive about the new
vaccines. Yes, more people might get covid with them, but FAR fewer will
get really sick or be hospitalized than un-vaccinated people. The J & J
vaccine is one shot, and requires only refrigeration, not fancy
freezers, so distributing it will be way easier, and there will be way
less loss to bad temp control.

On 1/29/2021 11:10 PM, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.


That is true for all the vaccines.

On 1/30/2021 6:28 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:27:31 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated. Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.

We can't get more than 60-70% to get a free flu shot and it is just
walk up and get the shot. My supermarket (Publix) will pay you $10 to
get the shot.


And what are you doing to SOLVE that problem?

On 1/30/2021 6:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good to
see you've abandoned that.

Not really. If your odds are 50:50 that you get the shot and you still
get sick, it is a coin toss.

Completely WRONG. Get the shot, and there is virtually NO chance you
will get seriously sick or die.

That was when you folks started quibbling about "how sick".
You also ignored the fact that 50% of the 60 or 70% that will take the
shot is not doing much for herd immunity. (30-35% for you public
school people)


People that were vaccinated are far less likely to become seriously
infectious, so they will not be super-spreaders. Super-spreaders do seem
to be the major vector for the number of cases we have.

On 1/30/2021 4:03 AM, Blue Face wrote:
On 1/29/21 10:49 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.


All vaccines are worthless until they work well enough to eliminate the
quadruple mask requirement.


Bla-bla-bla. trump trolls are trash.

On 1/30/2021 4:04 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message


If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need
to continue all of the protocols you are doing now.

Wrong. as always. All you need to do is get tested


Huh? You can still spread it.
please explain

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:29:31 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:27:31 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated. Only the anti vaxers will be susceptible.
We can't get more than 60-70% to get a free flu shot and it is just
walk up and get the shot. My supermarket (Publix) will pay you $10 to
get the shot.

One would think that since Covid is an order of magnitude more deadly
that more people will choose to get vaccinated, but we'll see. Even those
numbers would see a huge reduction in numbers.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 04:43:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

And hence people should still take the same precautions
they are taking now until we know more and until vaccinations get the infection
rate way down.
In other words don't reopen closed businesses, no sports venues, wear
your mask.

What did I say different?

You somehow connected the fact that the advice is to continue the existing
protocols to slow the spread means that the vaccine will not allow for businesses
to re-open, etc. Re-opening levels are driven by the infection rate and as the vaccines
are given the infection rate will drop, allowing less restrictions, more venues
to be open, etc.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:44:51 AM UTC-5, Bob F wrote:
On 1/30/2021 6:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good to
see you've abandoned that.

Not really. If your odds are 50:50 that you get the shot and you still
get sick, it is a coin toss.
Completely WRONG. Get the shot, and there is virtually NO chance you
will get seriously sick or die.
That was when you folks started quibbling about "how sick".
You also ignored the fact that 50% of the 60 or 70% that will take the
shot is not doing much for herd immunity. (30-35% for you public
school people)

People that were vaccinated are far less likely to become seriously
infectious, so they will not be super-spreaders. Super-spreaders do seem
to be the major vector for the number of cases we have.

Fretwell is one strange bird. In the spring he was advocating for "let her rip"
saying we needed heard immunity. Now that we are just months away from
heard immunity via vaccines, suddenly he claims that isn't doing much for
heard immunity. He could be Trump's health and science adviser.

On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 10:19:07 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/30/2021 4:04 AM, Rod Speed wrote:


wrote in message

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need
to continue all of the protocols you are doing now.

Wrong. as always. All you need to do is get tested

Huh? You can still spread it.
please explain

You do realize you're arguing with the kangaroo humping troll, don't you?
To stop asymptomatic people via testing, you would have to be tested
continuously and I don't see that happening anywhere.

On 1/30/21 10:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
One would think that since Covid is an order of magnitude more deadly
that more people will choose to get vaccinated, but we'll see. Even those
numbers would see a huge reduction in numbers.


Eliminate the government's $30k covid bounty and we'll see the death numbers go to zero.

On 1/30/21 10:04 AM, Bob F wrote:
On 1/30/2021 4:03 AM, Blue Face wrote:
On 1/29/21 10:49 AM, Bod wrote:
A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective, the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after the vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which makes it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89% effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines will need
to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.


All vaccines are worthless until they work well enough to eliminate the quadruple mask requirement.


Bla-bla-bla. trump trolls are trash.


Bla-bla-bla, I thought your boy Bribem had a plan. Was he lying again?

On 30/01/2021 16:14, Oliver George wrote:
On 1/30/21 10:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
One would think that since Covid is an order of magnitude more deadly
that more people will choose to get vaccinated, but we'll see.Â* Even
those
numbers would see a huge reduction in numbers.


Eliminate the government's $30k covid bounty and we'll see the death
numbers go to zero.

You're insane.

wrote in message
...
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66% effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they
said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge
improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good to
see you've abandoned that.

Not really. If your odds are 50:50 that
you get the shot and you still get sick,

That is nothing even remotely like the
odds with the vaccines used in the USA.

it is a coin toss.

And when it isnt, it isnt, stupid.

That was when you folks started quibbling about "how sick".

No quibbling involved. Its what the vaccine does,
stops you getting serious disease if you get infected.

You also ignored the fact that 50% of the 60 or 70% that
will take the shot is not doing much for herd immunity.

Herd immunity is irrelevant at this stage.

(30-35% for you public school people)

More mindless **** from you.

wrote
trader_4 wrote

And hence people should still take the same precautions
they are taking now until we know more and until
vaccinations get the infection rate way down.

In other words don't reopen closed businesses,
no sports venues, wear your mask.

But we will soon know if the vaccinations
do stop infection, stupid.

What did I say different?

You made stupid claims about coin tosses.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 1/30/2021 6:28 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 07:27:31 +0000, Bod wrote:

On 30/01/2021 07:10, wrote:
On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66%
effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new
vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with
no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they
said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge
improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

It does if everyone is vaccinated. Only the anti vaxers will be
susceptible.

We can't get more than 60-70% to get a free flu shot and it is just
walk up and get the shot. My supermarket (Publix) will pay you $10 to
get the shot.


And what are you doing to SOLVE that problem?

Nothing can be done to SOLVE that problem except
not allowing anyone inside unless they can prove that
they have been vaccinated and thats not feasible with
so little vaccine around for at least most of this year,

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 1/30/2021 6:33 AM, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 03:04:04 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 02:10:35 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:31:50 -0600, Jim Joyce
wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 21:33:34 -0500, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0000, Bod wrote:

A single dose Covid-19 vaccine developed by Janssen is 66%
effective,
the Belgian company has announced.

But nobody needed hospital treatment or died from coronavirus after
the
vaccine took effect in the international trial.

Crucially, it looked at giving just one dose of the vaccine, which
makes
it significantly easier to roll out than those requiring two.

Although there are also signs it is less effective against the new
variant that is spreading in South Africa.

The news comes shortly after Novavax announced their jab was 89%
effective overall in the UK and 60% in South Africa. Both new
vaccines
will need to be reviewed by regulators before they can be used.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-55857530

Another vaccine enters the fray. The more the merrier.

I am not sure how helpful when the vaccines are getting down around
the coin toss percentage of effectiveness.

You have to read past the headline. The J&J vaccine, single dose with
no
extreme freezing requirement, had a lower effectiveness rate but they
said
zero test subjects who received the vaccine developed a severe case of
Covid-19 that required hospitalization, so that's still a huge
improvement.
The same could not be said for the placebo group.

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need to continue all of
the protocols you are doing now.
Fauci said that not me.
That doesn't open closed businesses, let you go to a ball game or take
off your mask.

I think most everyone is aware of all of that. The situation doesn't
immediately improve when you get your shot.

Regardless, you were trying to claim something about a coin toss. Good
to
see you've abandoned that.

Not really. If your odds are 50:50 that you get the shot and you still
get sick, it is a coin toss.

Completely WRONG. Get the shot, and there is virtually NO chance you will
get seriously sick or die.

That was when you folks started quibbling about "how sick".
You also ignored the fact that 50% of the 60 or 70% that will take the
shot is not doing much for herd immunity. (30-35% for you public
school people)

People that were vaccinated are far less likely to become seriously
infectious,

While that is likely, we dont know that yet,

so they will not be super-spreaders.

Or that.

Super-spreaders do seem to be the major vector for the number of cases we
have.

Bull****.

Ed Pawlowski wrote
Rod Speed wrote
wrote

If you are a possible asymptomatic carrier you need
to continue all of the protocols you are doing now.

Wrong. as always. All you need to do is get tested

Huh? You can still spread it.

Not if you aren't infected you can't.

please explain

Just did.

"trader_4" wrote in message
...
On Saturday, January 30, 2021 at 9:38:18 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Sat, 30 Jan 2021 04:43:01 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

And hence people should still take the same precautions
they are taking now until we know more and until vaccinations get the
infection
rate way down.
In other words don't reopen closed businesses, no sports venues, wear
your mask.

What did I say different?

You somehow connected the fact that the advice is to continue the existing
protocols to slow the spread means that the vaccine will not allow for
businesses
to re-open, etc. Re-opening levels are driven by the infection rate and
as the vaccines
are given the infection rate will drop, allowing less restrictions, more
venues
to be open, etc.

Those places with the best virus control dont allow fewer restrictions
and more venues to be open until there are no new infections for about
6 weeks and nothing like that will happen in the USA for a ****ing long
time because you lot have been too stupid to do anything useful except
develop vaccines for the whole of last ****ing year.