Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

"micky" wrote in message
...
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

In article , micky
wrote:

Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

it's called knot theory.

https://www.sciencealert.com/the-mat...uses-your-head
phones-to-tangle
But between 46 centimetres and 150 centimetres (about five feet), the
probability of a knot forming rises dramatically. With a cord longer
than that, the probability of a knot forming reaches a plateau of 50
percent.
....
"At least" because earbuds are, of course, a Y-shaped string, and
thus the knotting frequency is compounded further. (Raymer and Smith
didn't look at strings with more than one branch, but anecdotally I
can confirm that the tangle-rate is pretty high.)

https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/104/42/16432/F2.large.jpg

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Am 09.03.21 um 22:15 schrieb micky:
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Sure!
The manufacturers of Bluetooth and Wifi headsets.
This was easy ...

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:20:46 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

But it's geriatrics that deals with endlessly bull****ting senile assholes,
senile Rodent!

--
The Natural Philosopher about senile Rodent:
"Rod speed is not a Brexiteer. He is an Australian troll and arsehole."
Message-ID:

On Tue, 09 Mar 2021 16:15:18 -0500, micky
wrote:

Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

It is simple geometry, every loop you put in that cord is a twist. The
only way around it would be to unroll it and not just pull it out.

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

On 3/9/2021 1:15 PM, micky wrote:
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?


I just wind them around the device, and they almost never tangle.

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper before digging yourself a deeper hole.

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always
get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

On Tue, 9 Mar 2021 16:22:32 -0800, Bob F wrote:

On 3/9/2021 1:15 PM, micky wrote:
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?


I just wind them around the device, and they almost never tangle.

.... as long as you then unwind them and not just pull the coil over
the end.

On 2021-03-09 1:15 p.m., micky wrote:
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?


I can tell you from long experience as a racing sailor, if you want to
ensure a halyard, sheet or other line runs free when you need it to, you
toss it into a loose pile; only making sure that the bitter end isn't
beneath the pile but rather off to the side.

Sure, we coiled lines for putting the boat away, but never when actually
using them.

On 2021-03-09 4:00 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above.Â* At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this.Â*Â* Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

Demonstrating once again how little you understand.

How things tangle is definitely a part of "knot theory".

On 2021-03-09 6:46 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they
always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above.Â* At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this.Â*Â* Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.



"Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string"

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.full

And from that:

"We used mathematical knot theory to analyze the knots. Above a critical
string length, the probability P of knotting at first increased sharply
with length but then saturated below 100%"

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-09 4:00 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

Demonstrating once again how little you understand.

Just like you and charging your EV at home, eh ?

How things tangle is definitely a part of "knot theory".

Bull****.

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always
get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

yes it does and don't snip to alter context.

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-09 6:46 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they
always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that
deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

"Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string"

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.full

And from that:

"We used mathematical knot theory to analyze the knots. Above a critical
string length, the probability P of knotting at first increased sharply
with length but then saturated below 100%"

Irrelevant to what happens with earphone leads, ****wit.

"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always
get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the
method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that
deals
with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

yes it does

Bull**** it does. Earphone leads are nothing like cords.

and don't snip to alter context.

Go and **** yourself, again. Nothing was snipped, ****wit.

On 2021-03-09 9:10 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-09 6:46 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they
always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to
put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the
method
above.Â* At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that
deals
with
stuff like this.Â*Â* Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

"Spontaneous knotting of an agitated string"

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/42/16432.full

And from that:

"We used mathematical knot theory to analyze the knots. Above a
critical string length, the probability P of knotting at first
increased sharply with length but then saturated below 100%"

Irrelevant to what happens with earphone leads, ****wit.

And here goes the circular argument again.

The subject was the tangling of earphone leads,

You were told the problem was not in the field of ergonomics, but knot
theory, and shown a paper describing the tangling problem.

You declared that tangling isn't a not.

You declared the paper had nothing to do with knot theory.

You were shown it did....

....and now we're back at the top.

On 2021-03-09 9:11 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they
always
get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the
method
above.Â* At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that
deals
with
stuff like this.Â*Â* Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

yes it does

Bull**** it does. Earphone leads are nothing like cords.

In what way are they not like cords?


and don't snip to alter context.

Go and **** yourself, again. Nothing was snipped, ****wit.

You're lying...

....and you're not good at that either.

On 2021-03-09 7:56 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-09 4:00 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"nospam" wrote in message
...
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always
get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put
where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above.Â* At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that
deals with
stuff like this.Â*Â* Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

not ergonomics.

it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

Demonstrating once again how little you understand.

Just like you and charging your EV at home, eh ?

How things tangle is definitely a part of "knot theory".

Bull****.

I just showed you the paper that declares it is.

You don't have the slightest clue what "knot theory" is in the first place.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 10 Mar 2021 08:20:46 +1100, "Rod Speed"
wrote:



"micky" wrote in message
.. .
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep, ergonomics.

Yeah, that's it!

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:10:19 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:

FLUSH the trolling senile asshole's latest troll**** unread

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On Wed, 10 Mar 2021 02:10:10 -0500, micky mouse, the notorious,
troll-feeding, senile ASSHOLE, blathered again:


Yep, ergonomics.

Yeah, that's it!

It's a troll, can't you see, dumb micky mouse? BG

In article , Rod Speed
wrote:


it's called knot theory.

Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper

Which has nothing to do with the theory, ****wit.

yes it does

Bull**** it does. Earphone leads are nothing like cords.

false.

and don't snip to alter context.

Go and **** yourself, again. Nothing was snipped, ****wit.

also false.

here's what i originally wrote, before you snipped it:

In article , nospam
wrote:
In article , Rod Speed
wrote:
Tangling isnt a knot.

go read the research paper before digging yourself a deeper hole.

micky wrote:
Fun Facts

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

If you fold them over and over until they're short enough to put where
you want them, they unfold with much less gangling than the method
above. At least in my experience.


There must be some branch of science or math or industry that deals with
stuff like this. Anyone know?

Yep "string theory"

micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?

On 2021-03-11 5:18 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?


I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...

....but what do you think it is?

:-)

On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:06 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2021-03-11 5:18 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?


I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...

...but what do you think it is?

:-)

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how ...

Oh wait, you said Wrap... nvm

On 2021-03-12 7:11 a.m., Joe Beanfish wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:06 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2021-03-11 5:18 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?


I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...

...but what do you think it is?

:-)

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how ...

Oh wait, you said Wrap... nvm


LOL!

I doff my cap, sir!

"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-12 7:11 a.m., Joe Beanfish wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:06 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2021-03-11 5:18 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?


I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...

...but what do you think it is?

:-)

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how ...

Oh wait, you said Wrap... nvm


LOL!

I doff my cap, sir!

Stop doffing your cap, you dinosaur cur.

On Sat, 13 Mar 2021 09:35:32 +1100, cantankerous trolling geezer Rodent
Speed, the auto-contradicting senile sociopath, blabbered, again:


I doff my cap, sir!

Stop doffing your cap, you dinosaur cur.

Go to bed, you sick senile trolling swine! Or, even better, swallow your
Nembutal! It's overdue!

--
Sqwertz to Rodent Speed:
"This is just a hunch, but I'm betting you're kinda an argumentative
asshole.
MID:

On 2021-03-12 2:35 p.m., Rod Speed wrote:


"Alan Baker" wrote in message
...
On 2021-03-12 7:11 a.m., Joe Beanfish wrote:
On Thu, 11 Mar 2021 19:07:06 -0800, Alan Baker wrote:

On 2021-03-11 5:18 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
micky wrote:

If you wind the cord from your earbuds into a circle, they always get
tangled when you try to use them.

Maybe you should "roadie wrap" the cord?


I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...

...but what do you think it is?

:-)

Now this is the story all about how
My life got flipped, turned upside down
And I'd like to take a minute just sit right there
I'll tell you how ...

Oh wait, you said Wrap... nvm


LOL!

I doff my cap, sir!

Stop doffing your cap, you dinosaur cur.

LOL!

Make me, you little pussy.

:-)

Alan Baker wrote:

I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...
...but what do you think it is?

over-worked, under-paid, over-worked, under-paid ...

https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4

On 2021-03-13 1:09 a.m., Andy Burns wrote:
Alan Baker wrote:

I think I know what a "roadie wrap" is...
...but what do you think it is?

over-worked, under-paid, over-worked, under-paid ...

https://youtu.be/kda4DPAn3C4

Yup... ...I know that one well.

It's great for coiling a cable or anything else where twisting in only
one direction will cause the rest of the whatever to get progressively
more and more twisted; especially when you're dealing with something
very long.

What it won't do is prevent tangles when you uncoil it.

:-)