The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

On 9/24/2020 3:54 AM, Bod wrote:
The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9


Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

Too bad your mother did not believe in abortion.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

On 9/24/2020 9:56 AM, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)


Actually the founder of Planned Parenthood, Margarete Sanger, was a
eugenicist and targeted folks like the welfare girl you mention.

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats should pay for their own orgasms.


--
Demolitioncrats are destroying America!

On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9


Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Thinking of one I know of. Girl had an illegitimate son at age 16. Got
pregnant again and had an abortion to get pregnant again to have a
second abortion which was botched and she died. Family got a million
dollar award in their law suit. She was a welfare mother but now her
family is not on welfare. Happy ending for a Democrat.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
....
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.

On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

On 9/24/2020 10:45 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.



Most countries clearly imprison far less people for nonsense reasons
than the US does. The us represents 4.4 % of the worlds [population and
22 % of the worlds prisoners. By far, the US incarceration level is
highest in the southern Repub states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rceration_rate

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was banned.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
k.net...
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,

Hardly any do that anymore, mostly just China.

or make the punishment so bad that not too
many break laws that would land them in prison.

No one does it like that.

On 24/09/2020 20:11, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was banned.

Ok, but then she wouldn't get that paid by Welfare, she'd obviously have
to pay for it *herself*.

"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 20:11, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was banned.

Ok, but then she wouldn't get that paid by Welfare, she'd obviously have
to pay for it *herself*.

With those on welfare, their entire income is from someone else.

Tho I spose that with an abortion it could well have come
from prostitution but that would still be someone else paying.

On 9/24/2020 3:11 PM, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was banned.

You can be sure there will be plenty of them too, if the ruling is
reversed. I wonder if it would trigger some ah, "peaceful protests"

On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation. There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

On 9/24/2020 2:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per
100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation.Â* There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

All of the above + plenty of racism.

On 9/24/2020 1:45 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


Concentration camps like in China were not included. There are as many
imprisoned there as in their prisons. You also do not spend years and
years on death row in China.

US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:45:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
...
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

We have the violent crime rate to match and when you trace those
criminals back, a significant number of them were *******s at birth or
simply abandoned while they were young by their druggie mom and
estranged sperm donor, either raised by grandma or a ward of the
state.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 11:48:45 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 9/24/2020 10:45 AM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.



Most countries clearly imprison far less people for nonsense reasons
than the US does. The us represents 4.4 % of the worlds [population and
22 % of the worlds prisoners. By far, the US incarceration level is
highest in the southern Repub states.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United...rceration_rate

A huge part of that is our stupid drug war.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:10:01 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per 100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation. There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

If you just want to pick the low fruit, look at the crime rate,
particularly violent crimes. In any other context, Bod would be
talking about our murder rate.
One other problem is not jailing people in any significant way until
their 3d or 4th offense giving them the impression their crime wave
can go unpunished forever.

On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:28:27 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 9/24/2020 2:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per
100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation.Â* There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

All of the above + plenty of racism.

It isn't racism as much as the lack of ability to afford good council.
That could be a white guy too, just not a rich one.
OJ got away with murder by playing the race card.
Most of the people in jail were coerced into taking a plea, whether
they were guilty or not and their public defender was no help.
That hurts on both directions. The innocent guy gets screwed and the
truly guilty guy gets off easy.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 3:11 PM, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay? Democrats
should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was banned.

You can be sure there will be plenty of them too, if the ruling is
reversed. I wonder if it would trigger some ah, "peaceful protests"

Yeah, bet it would, its a very divisive issue.

Going to be interesting to see whether the orange clown can get
his conservative supreme up before the election and what happens
if Joe gets to be prez as far as the abortion issue is concerned too.

"Ed Pawlowski" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per
100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation. There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?

Most laws dont have prison as a penalty
and there arent really more laws that do
have prison as a penalty except with drug
use in the usa.

There are some exceptions, the uk does jail
for what they stupidly call modern slavery
which is in fact the worst of the people
trafficking and very bad labor conditions
but they dont jail very many for that offence.

Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?

Yep, particularly with drug use.

Do we have longer sentences?

Yep. and much longer with stuff like murder.

Are we better at prosecuting?

Nope, rather worse in fact with serious
crime like murder and gang banging.

Better at catching criminals?

Nope, see just above.

Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

Everyone is, there is in fact very little
of that, they mostly just get older and
dont do as much crime except for the
real hard core of criminals like the Crays.

The UK does in fact have some capacity
to not let people out of jail if they would
still be a danger to the community, but
that doesnt get used a lot.

The UK doesnt have any 3 strikes type law either.

The USA has a hell of a lot more gang banging etc too.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:45:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under
threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal
Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want
an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
...
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

We have the violent crime rate to match and when you trace those
criminals back, a significant number of them were *******s at birth or
simply abandoned while they were young by their druggie mom and
estranged sperm donor, either raised by grandma

Who ****ed up the raising of the druggy mom and is likely
to have been just as bad herself. Self perpetuating criminality.

or a ward of the state.

wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 14:28:27 -0700, Bob F wrote:

On 9/24/2020 2:10 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million
people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or
more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per
100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation. There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

All of the above + plenty of racism.

It isn't racism as much as the lack of ability to afford good council.
That could be a white guy too, just not a rich one.
OJ got away with murder by playing the race card.
Most of the people in jail were coerced into taking a plea, whether
they were guilty or not and their public defender was no help.
That hurts on both directions. The innocent guy gets screwed and the
truly guilty guy gets off easy.

Its unlikely that many innocent are in jail that way.
Plea deals are more about reducing the penalty.

On 9/24/2020 3:55 PM, Frank wrote:
On 9/24/2020 1:45 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


Concentration camps like in China were not included.Â* There are as many
imprisoned there as in their prisons.Â* You also do not spend years and
years on death row in China.

US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases, where they could be
productive members of society.

On 9/24/2020 6:24 PM, %% wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:45:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under
threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal
Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9


Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't
see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who
want an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
...
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

We have the violent crime rate to match and when you trace those
criminals back, a significant number of them were *******s at birth or
simply abandoned while they were young by their druggie mom and
estranged sperm donor, either raised by grandma

Who ****ed up the raising of the druggy mom and is likely
to have been just as bad herself. Self perpetuating criminality.

or a ward of the state.



gfretwell, who forces women to have babies they don't have the resources
to raise, who he then turns over to the criminal justice system for the
crime of being black, and then will never let vote again to end the
catastrophe.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 3:55 PM, Frank wrote:
On 9/24/2020 1:45 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


Concentration camps like in China were not included. There are as many
imprisoned there as in their prisons. You also do not spend years and
years on death row in China.

US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases,

In prison for flouting the law on how to legally enter the country,
actually.

where they could be productive members of society.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 6:24 PM, %% wrote:


wrote in message
...
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:45:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod
wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under
threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal
Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see
a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want
an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
...
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

We have the violent crime rate to match and when you trace those
criminals back, a significant number of them were *******s at birth or
simply abandoned while they were young by their druggie mom and
estranged sperm donor, either raised by grandma

Who ****ed up the raising of the druggy mom and is likely
to have been just as bad herself. Self perpetuating criminality.

or a ward of the state.

gfretwell, who forces women to have babies they don't have the resources
to raise,

You dont know that he does oppose abortion, or
that the state won't provide the resources to raise
the brat that would otherwise have been aborted.

who he then turns over to the criminal justice system for the crime of
being black,

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

and then will never let vote again to end the catastrophe.

Ditto.

On 9/24/2020 9:43 PM, Bob F wrote:


US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases, where they could be
productive members of society.


Nothing? There is a proper way to enter and live in the US. Most of us
have family that did that in the past.

Perhaps there should be some changes but just letting anyone and
everyone is not good either.

On 9/24/2020 7:06 PM, %% wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 3:55 PM, Frank wrote:
On 9/24/2020 1:45 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


Concentration camps like in China were not included.Â* There are as
many imprisoned there as in their prisons.Â* You also do not spend
years and years on death row in China.

US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases,

In prison for flouting the law on how to legally enter the country,
actually.

where they could be productive members of society.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

Nonsense. Immigrants work harder and often better workers than
"citizens". And they are willing to do jobs white people will not touch.

This country is built by immigrants.

On 9/24/2020 7:43 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 9:43 PM, Bob F wrote:


US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases, where they could be
productive members of society.


Nothing?Â* There is a proper way to enter and live in the US.Â* Most of us
have family that did that in the past.

Perhaps there should be some changes but just letting anyone and
everyone is not good either.

Following real US law in the process would be a positive step.

On 24/09/2020 20:56, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 20:11, %% wrote:


"Bod" wrote in message
...
On 24/09/2020 16:47, Grumpy Old White Guy wrote:
On 9/24/2020 11:11 AM, Bod wrote:
"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.


Ever notice that democrats always want someone else to pay?
Democrats should pay for their own orgasms.


How can any woman pay for an abortion if it is banned?

Use an illegal abortionist. Thats always been common when it was
banned.

Ok, but then she wouldn't get that paid by Welfare, she'd obviously
have to pay for it *herself*.

With those on welfare, their entire income is from someone else.

Tho I spose that with an abortion it could well have come
from prostitution but that would still be someone else paying.

Money from prostitution would be classed as earnings.
Every Service business gets their income from someone else.
It's not money for nothing.

On 24/09/2020 22:10, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 9/24/2020 2:34 PM, Bod wrote:
On 24/09/2020 18:45, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system.Â* Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops.Â* Not counting every thing else.Â* Cost around $ 30,000 or more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


The UK doesn't execute anybody.

Prison rates in the US are the world's highest, at 724 people per
100,000.

At 145 per 100,000, is the imprisonment rate of England and Wales.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/h...l/nn2page1.stm

I'd like to see some explanation.Â* There are many reasons, good and bad,
that raw numbers don't explain.

Do we have more laws?
Do we jail for petty crimes that others do not?
Do we have longer sentences?
Are we better at prosecuting?
Better at catching criminals?
Are we just lousy at rehabbing?

All good questions.

"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 7:06 PM, %% wrote:


"Bob F" wrote in message
...
On 9/24/2020 3:55 PM, Frank wrote:
On 9/24/2020 1:45 PM, Ralph Mowery wrote:
In article ,
says...
The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million
people
in prison.



Big money to be made by the US legal system. Lots of lawyers, judges
and cops. Not counting every thing else. Cost around $ 30,000 or
more
each year just to keep someone locked up.

I think many other countries just execute the guilty ,or make the
punishment so bad that not too many break laws that would land them in
prison.


Concentration camps like in China were not included. There are as many
imprisoned there as in their prisons. You also do not spend years and
years on death row in China.

US is high and one big reason is the 26% illegal aliens in the prisons.

What matters is if they are in jail because they are
just illegal aliens or because they have committed
other crimes and just happen to be illegal aliens as well.

I dont believe that 26% of everyone in jail in
the usa are in jail just for being an illegal alien.

Right. In prison for nothing in most cases,

In prison for flouting the law on how to legally enter the country,
actually.

where they could be productive members of society.

Even sillier than you usually manage and thats saying something.

Nonsense. Immigrants work harder and often better workers than "citizens".

And illegals have proven that they couldnt
care less about the law and many of them do
lots of much more serious illegal activity too.

And they are willing to do jobs white people will not touch.

But it is clearly better to have legal immigrants doing that work.

This country is built by immigrants.

Duh, but thats irrelevant to how illegals should be dealt with.

On 25/09/2020 00:44, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 17:45:10 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 17:22, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 16:11:09 +0100, Bod wrote:

On 24/09/2020 14:56, wrote:
On Thu, 24 Sep 2020 08:54:20 +0100, Bod wrote:

The rights of women to access abortions across the US are under threat
as Republicans clear the way to target 40-year-old laws.

Anti-abortion activists are €œoptimistic€� the death of a liberal Supreme
court justice will mean the reversal of more than 40 years of laws
around abortion in the United States.

https://www.news.com.au/world/north-...ae550c402e06b9

Looks like the US will be going backwards if the anti abortion law
becomes law.
Most developed countries allow abortions.

It wouldn't be a national ban on abortion, the decision would just
revert to the states. I am not against abortion but I also don't see a
constitutional protection for it at the federal level. People don't
have to live in Mississippi.

OTOH, money wise, it would be cheaper to fly the knocked up welfare
girl to Chicago for the operation than it would be to pay for her
******* for 80 years. (Birth, child care, a life of welfare and
prison)

Are all all "knocked up girls, welfare girls"?

The ones that usually have trouble getting an abortion. Even 60 years
ago when it was virtually illegal, women of means had a way. They just
called it something else.


I'm pretty sure that there are plenty of working girls/women who want an
abortion.

No doubt and in most states it is no problem getting one.

"pay for her *******"
You sound not very nice person and a typical trumpet.

Maybe you want us to send you some. We have prisons full of them.

The US likes jailing people.

As of June 2020, the United States had the highest number of
incarcerated individuals worldwide, with more than 2.12 million people
in prison.
...
Countries with the largest number of prisoners, as of June 2020.

We have the violent crime rate to match and when you trace those
criminals back, a significant number of them were *******s at birth or
simply abandoned while they were young by their druggie mom and
estranged sperm donor, either raised by grandma or a ward of the
state.


These days nobody calls them *******s, only people who live in the past.
Marriage is only a contract between two people. Perhaps you haven't
heard, but thousands have children these days and have no desire to get
married. Calling children *******s says a lot about you.