I had an underground pump installed about 20 feet from my house. The contractor buried the cable from the pump up to my porch and said I would have to take care of it from there. The underside of the porch (3 feet high) is enclosed with lattice. There is a support 4X4 next to where the cable is. Can I run the UF up the post (Behind the lattice) and attach it to the sides of the joist and run it straight through the sill plate? The breaker box is just below the sill plate inside the basement.

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On 9/9/2020 9:39 AM, Russell Bantin wrote:
I had an underground pump installed about 20 feet from my house. The
contractor buried the cable from the pump up to my porch and said I
would have to take care of it from there. The underside of the porch (3
feet high) is enclosed with lattice. There is a support 4X4 next to
where the cable is. Can I run the UF up the post (Behind the lattice)
and attach it to the sides of the joist and run it straight through the
sill plate? The breaker box is just below the sill plate inside the
basement.


I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:26:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 9/9/2020 9:39 AM, Russell Bantin wrote:
I had an underground pump installed about 20 feet from my house. The
contractor buried the cable from the pump up to my porch and said I
would have to take care of it from there. The underside of the porch (3
feet high) is enclosed with lattice. There is a support 4X4 next to
where the cable is. Can I run the UF up the post (Behind the lattice)
and attach it to the sides of the joist and run it straight through the
sill plate? The breaker box is just below the sill plate inside the
basement.


I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:26:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 9/9/2020 9:39 AM, Russell Bantin wrote:
I had an underground pump installed about 20 feet from my house. The
contractor buried the cable from the pump up to my porch and said I
would have to take care of it from there. The underside of the porch (3
feet high) is enclosed with lattice. There is a support 4X4 next to
where the cable is. Can I run the UF up the post (Behind the lattice)
and attach it to the sides of the joist and run it straight through the
sill plate? The breaker box is just below the sill plate inside the
basement.


I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

On 9/9/20 11:47 AM, wrote:
On Wed, 9 Sep 2020 11:26:36 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 9/9/2020 9:39 AM, Russell Bantin wrote:
I had an underground pump installed about 20 feet from my house. The
contractor buried the cable from the pump up to my porch and said I
would have to take care of it from there. The underside of the porch (3
feet high) is enclosed with lattice. There is a support 4X4 next to
where the cable is. Can I run the UF up the post (Behind the lattice)
and attach it to the sides of the joist and run it straight through the
sill plate? The breaker box is just below the sill plate inside the
basement.


I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:32:00 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:



I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

See "Fighting depression in mice", in the Journal or Rodent Psychology,
May 2019. Basically it says that none of the drugs succesfully used
for people work in rodents, and that mice especially are subject to
clinical depression, sometimes leading to suicide.

On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:47:28 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:32:00 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:



I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

See "Fighting depression in mice", in the Journal or Rodent Psychology,
May 2019. Basically it says that none of the drugs succesfully used
for people work in rodents, and that mice especially are subject to
clinical depression, sometimes leading to suicide.

Did they test garden variety, running around your house, mice or are
we talking about those highly inbred, white, pellet eating, poop
machines that is 50-100 generations away from running in the grass and
eating your corn flakes. Those guys seem like pretty care free guys.
My buddy in Maryland said they "seeded" his pot for him. Maybe that is
why they were happy tho.

Seriously, how much did the government spend to find out caged mice
are not happy and you can't drug them into happiness?
Saaay, is this another Covid study? ;-)

On 9/9/20 4:47 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:32:00 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:



I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

See "Fighting depression in mice", in the Journal or Rodent Psychology,
May 2019. Basically it says that none of the drugs succesfully used
for people work in rodents, and that mice especially are subject to
clinical depression, sometimes leading to suicide.

A suicidal mouse with any sense of decency would commit suicide
by running out in front of a car or cat. Chewing the insulation off of
some poor guy's wire? No. Wire without insulation leads to corrosion
which in turn can lead to a shorted or open circuit.
The more I think of it, the more convinced I am that some sort of
conduit or hose to protect the wire is appropriate even if it isn't
necessary to be code compliant. The wire could be well protected from
human damage but Pixie and Dixie live in my world.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 19:18:08 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:

On 9/9/20 4:47 PM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:32:00 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:



I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

See "Fighting depression in mice", in the Journal or Rodent Psychology,
May 2019. Basically it says that none of the drugs succesfully used
for people work in rodents, and that mice especially are subject to
clinical depression, sometimes leading to suicide.

A suicidal mouse with any sense of decency would commit suicide
by running out in front of a car or cat. Chewing the insulation off of
some poor guy's wire? No. Wire without insulation leads to corrosion
which in turn can lead to a shorted or open circuit.

LIke any other ethnic group, there are good mice and bad mice.

The very good suicidal mice do go looking for a cat.

The bad ones are equivalent to those who commit crimes and then resist
arrest with the intention of committing suicide by cop.

And the mice in the middle use what's handy. eating wild rootwart for
example, but many of those just get sent to the ICU and they recover.
Very sad.

On a serious note, I had a friend of a friend with HIV, but not yet
AIDS iiuc. Still, he was in the hospital 2 or 3 times in one year
sometime in the late 80's early 90's when there was no decent
treatment, and he saw the handwriting and jumped off the building he
lived in. Many NYC buildings are 6 stories tall and shaped like an O
or a U or H with a courtyard in beween but no easy access to tenants.
With bushes and trees, like a big beautiful airshaft. Instead of
jumping on the street side where he might have hit someone, he still had
the presence of mind to jump from the other side where there was no
chance of that. And he killed himself.


The more I think of it, the more convinced I am that some sort of
conduit or hose to protect the wire is appropriate even if it isn't
necessary to be code compliant. The wire could be well protected from
human damage but Pixie and Dixie live in my world.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 09 Sep 2020 20:13:53 -0400,
wrote:

On Wed, 09 Sep 2020 17:47:28 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 9 Sep 2020 12:32:00 -0500, Dean Hoffman
wrote:



I'd slip it into a piece of conduit for extra protection.

Certainly the part where it emerges from the ground anyway. Once it is
stapled to the side of the joist it should be OK. Use weatherproof
staples, Typically that is a plastic bar with aluminum nails

I'd suggest putting the conduit at least 18" in the ground and
tamping the dirt by the conduit a little. That little bit of tamping
should discourage mice.

See "Fighting depression in mice", in the Journal or Rodent Psychology,
May 2019. Basically it says that none of the drugs succesfully used
for people work in rodents, and that mice especially are subject to
clinical depression, sometimes leading to suicide.

Did they test garden variety, running around your house, mice or are
we talking about those highly inbred, white, pellet eating, poop
machines that is 50-100 generations away from running in the grass and

Lab mice. The Phase 3 testing will use wild mice, for just the reasons
you name.

eating your corn flakes. Those guys seem like pretty care free guys.
My buddy in Maryland said they "seeded" his pot for him. Maybe that is
why they were happy tho.

Seriously, how much did the government spend to find out caged mice
are not happy and you can't drug them into happiness?

FTR, I just made the whole thing up. Even the Journal of Rodent
Psychology says the study and the journal don't exist.

Saaay, is this another Covid study? ;-)

On Thu, 10 Sep 2020 00:43:11 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 09 Sep 2020 20:13:53 -0400,
wrote:


Seriously, how much did the government spend to find out caged mice
are not happy and you can't drug them into happiness?

FTR, I just made the whole thing up. Even the Journal of Rodent
Psychology says the study and the journal don't exist.

I think a lot of these "studies" are made up, assembling random data
that advances an agenda but my last question still stands. Is there
any relationship to covid house bound people? I hear liquor stores and
Pot dispensaries are doing a land office business and people are still
unhappy.


Saaay, is this another Covid study? ;-)

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 10 Sep 2020 00:40:43 -0400, micky
wrote:


On a serious note, I had a friend of a friend with HIV, but not yet
AIDS iiuc. Still, he was in the hospital 2 or 3 times in one year
sometime in the late 80's early 90's when there was no decent
treatment, and he saw the handwriting and jumped off the building he
lived in. Many NYC buildings are 6 stories tall and shaped like an O
or a U or H with a courtyard in beween but no easy access to tenants.
With bushes and trees, like a big beautiful airshaft. Instead of
jumping on the street side where he might have hit someone, he still had
the presence of mind

I understated it. In the midst of his own depression and despair, he
still had concern for others.

to jump from the other side where there was no
chance of that. And he killed himself.