So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee Jennings
m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz


That is called a feeder tap and it is legal, the actual connection
would depend on what is available in that disconnect enclosure but you
might end up having to put a junction box in then a sub panel for your
loads.
I would seriously think about wiring your hot tub for 240. Most will
go either way. A 60 amp sub panel might actually be plenty for a few
outlets and the tub but a 100 is about the same price. The only way to
know for sure is to do a load calc to see what you can get away with
on your service. The hot tub I put in bumped my service requirement up
although I doubt I ever actually use that much power. You have 200 so
you are probably going to be OK.

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house? Is that because of expected flooding? I notice that the house
across the street is not. I don't understand that. Are your neighbors
stupid?

Long ago, 1968, I drove around the flat area several miles south of New
Orleans, a very flat area I'm pretty sure flooded at least once a year,
and some houses were on stilts, but others, not old ones either, pretty
new, were on the ground. Why would they do that?

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 00:45:25 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house? Is that because of expected flooding? I notice that the house
across the street is not. I don't understand that. Are your neighbors
stupid?

Long ago, 1968, I drove around the flat area several miles south of New
Orleans, a very flat area I'm pretty sure flooded at least once a year,
and some houses were on stilts, but others, not old ones either, pretty
new, were on the ground. Why would they do that?

Some houses are Pre-FIRM and were not regulated by FEMA.
The current rate maps are somewhat draconian and in some places might
represent a required 200-300 year flood elevation.

OTOH there are other places where nobody thinks of a flood, mortgage
lenders do not require it but you can get flooded. My sister had one
of those houses in Maryland.

On 8/13/20 12:45 AM, micky wrote:
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house? Is that because of expected flooding? I notice that the house
across the street is not. I don't understand that. Are your neighbors
stupid?

Long ago, 1968, I drove around the flat area several miles south of New
Orleans, a very flat area I'm pretty sure flooded at least once a year,
and some houses were on stilts, but others, not old ones either, pretty
new, were on the ground. Why would they do that?


They're democrats who think the government will remodel their house (free of charge) after the flood?

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then
goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and
one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a
pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs
somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs,
and put another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:54:10 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee Jennings
m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz


That is called a feeder tap and it is legal, the actual connection
would depend on what is available in that disconnect enclosure but you
might end up having to put a junction box in then a sub panel for your
loads.
I would seriously think about wiring your hot tub for 240. Most will
go either way. A 60 amp sub panel might actually be plenty for a few
outlets and the tub but a 100 is about the same price. The only way to
know for sure is to do a load calc to see what you can get away with
on your service. The hot tub I put in bumped my service requirement up
although I doubt I ever actually use that much power. You have 200 so
you are probably going to be OK.

Agree with the hot tub advice. The difference is that 120V ones, AFAIK,
the heater will not run the same time as the pump, so whatever temp you
have it when you get in, it's downhill from there. Also, the heater is
1/4 the power of the 240V heater, so it takes a very long time to heat.
Not so bad if it's an indoor one and you want to keep it fully heated all
the time. But if you want to keep it at a lower temp to save money and
then raise it an hour or two before use, you can't raise it more than a
couple degrees in that timeframe with 120V. Most have timers too, so you
could set it to raise when you want, but overall, 240V is the way to go,
especially if you have to run a circuit anyway.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 06:25:15 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, August 12, 2020 at 12:54:10 AM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee Jennings
m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then goes
into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and one
outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a pain
to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs somehow. My
question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs, and put
another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz


That is called a feeder tap and it is legal, the actual connection
would depend on what is available in that disconnect enclosure but you
might end up having to put a junction box in then a sub panel for your
loads.
I would seriously think about wiring your hot tub for 240. Most will
go either way. A 60 amp sub panel might actually be plenty for a few
outlets and the tub but a 100 is about the same price. The only way to
know for sure is to do a load calc to see what you can get away with
on your service. The hot tub I put in bumped my service requirement up
although I doubt I ever actually use that much power. You have 200 so
you are probably going to be OK.

Agree with the hot tub advice. The difference is that 120V ones, AFAIK,
the heater will not run the same time as the pump, so whatever temp you
have it when you get in, it's downhill from there. Also, the heater is
1/4 the power of the 240V heater, so it takes a very long time to heat.
Not so bad if it's an indoor one and you want to keep it fully heated all
the time. But if you want to keep it at a lower temp to save money and
then raise it an hour or two before use, you can't raise it more than a
couple degrees in that timeframe with 120V. Most have timers too, so you
could set it to raise when you want, but overall, 240V is the way to go,
especially if you have to run a circuit anyway.

Just for a reference point I have an 8 foot tub with an 11KW heater
(bigger heater than most if not all package units) and I get about 10
degrees an hour delta with the tub covered.
Hot Springs brags that their 8' tub has a 4kw heater and it is 1kw at
120v. Even assuming they have a better cover, that is still ~4 degrees
an hour at 240v and ~1 degree an hour at 120.

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:45 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then
goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and
one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a
pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs
somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs,
and put another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

He said, I have a stilited house. I was checking if that's the same as
stilted.

on 8/13/2020, micky supposed :
In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:45 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation,
and sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it,
then goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small
draw, and one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs.
It would be a pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed
it downstairs somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I
have downstairs, and put another panel next to it so I can run new
servises for downstairs? https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

He said, I have a stilited house. I was checking if that's the same as
stilted.

Oh, I see.

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:55:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:45 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then
goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and
one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a
pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs
somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs,
and put another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

He said, I have a stilited house. I was checking if that's the same as
stilted.

We call them piling houses here but the objective is the same, to get
the finished floor of the living space above the FEMA plane. Most
people end up enclosing the lower level, usually illegally but there
won't be any flood insurance there so don't put anything there that
can't get wet. Also be sure the walls will blow out before the
structure is damaged if there is a flood or they might void your flood
coverage.

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:59:12 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:55:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:45 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then
goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and
one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a
pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs
somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs,
and put another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

He said, I have a stilited house. I was checking if that's the same as
stilted.

We call them piling houses here but the objective is the same, to get
the finished floor of the living space above the FEMA plane. Most
people end up enclosing the lower level, usually illegally but there
won't be any flood insurance there so don't put anything there that
can't get wet. Also be sure the walls will blow out before the
structure is damaged if there is a flood or they might void your flood
coverage.

That makes sense.

It's been over 50 years, but my recollection is that the houses not on
stilts were not 2-story houses that really weree on stilts but the
bottom was enclosed. My recollection is that they were one-story
houses, probably with a pitched roof and an attic.

I once tried to use google street view to look at what is there 50
years later, but I'm not sure where I was, I looked again, in
Cutofff, where all the houses I saw were on the ground, and then at

517 Jackson St. Lafitte, Lousiana And on that little street there are
a half-dozen big houses on stilts, and one house on each side of the
street that is not. The one on the left is harder to see, and google
doesn't go farther down the street, but the one on the right is easy sto
see, tan stone or tan brick, attic that's too low to be usable for
living space, and it looks very new. Brown roof, perfect white edge
(gutters?) to the roof. And there is a white pickup truck in front of
it.

Fruther down the road in the distance is another big house on stilts and
probably on the left another one not.

I'd give the url but I'm looking on another computer.

So what's wrong with these two or three bulders that they built a ranch
house right ont he ground. Doesn't Lafitte flood every year or 5 for
certain. A quick google of Lafitte flooding found examples of
it flooding.


,

On Fri, 14 Aug 2020 19:43:38 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Fri, 14 Aug 2020 14:59:12 -0400,
wrote:

On Thu, 13 Aug 2020 15:55:32 -0400, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Thu, 13 Aug 2020 07:48:45 -0400, FromTheRafters
wrote:

micky laid this down on his screen :
In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 12 Aug 2020 01:14:01 +0000, Trevor Lee
Jennings m wrote:

So I have a stilited house. The floor sealed with spray foam Insulation, and
sealed with hardiplank. At the meter, I have a disconnect after it, then
goes into the house. I am wanting to run 3 basic outlets for small draw, and
one outlet for a 110v plug and play hot tub I have downstairs. It would be a
pain to run new wire from upstairs in the house, and feed it downstairs
somehow. My question is, could I tie into the disconnect I have downstairs,
and put another panel next to it so I can run new servises for downstairs?
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/py
https://www.homeownershub.com/img/pz

I can't answer your electrical question, but is your house a stilted
house?

Unless Trevor was lying in the first sentence, yes.

He said, I have a stilited house. I was checking if that's the same as
stilted.

We call them piling houses here but the objective is the same, to get
the finished floor of the living space above the FEMA plane. Most
people end up enclosing the lower level, usually illegally but there
won't be any flood insurance there so don't put anything there that
can't get wet. Also be sure the walls will blow out before the
structure is damaged if there is a flood or they might void your flood
coverage.

That makes sense.

It's been over 50 years, but my recollection is that the houses not on
stilts were not 2-story houses that really weree on stilts but the
bottom was enclosed. My recollection is that they were one-story
houses, probably with a pitched roof and an attic.

I once tried to use google street view to look at what is there 50
years later, but I'm not sure where I was, I looked again, in
Cutofff, where all the houses I saw were on the ground, and then at

517 Jackson St. Lafitte, Lousiana And on that little street there are
a half-dozen big houses on stilts, and one house on each side of the
street that is not. The one on the left is harder to see, and google
doesn't go farther down the street, but the one on the right is easy sto
see, tan stone or tan brick, attic that's too low to be usable for
living space, and it looks very new. Brown roof, perfect white edge
(gutters?) to the roof. And there is a white pickup truck in front of
it.

Fruther down the road in the distance is another big house on stilts and
probably on the left another one not.

I'd give the url but I'm looking on another computer.

So what's wrong with these two or three bulders that they built a ranch
house right ont he ground. Doesn't Lafitte flood every year or 5 for
certain. A quick google of Lafitte flooding found examples of
it flooding.


My bet is they are PreFIRM houses, not new ones although Louisiana
seems to get away with a lot more from FEMA than we do. If a house
here is more than 50% damaged or you just want to put on an addition
that raises the value or costs more than 50%, it needs to meet FEMA
height. That is building assessed value, not market price or land
value so most PreFIRM houses can't even be improved. It won't get
through permitting.
We had a guy here pay $460k for a house but the county decided the
building was only worth about $80k so any improvements he wanted to
make were limited to $40k. Faced with that, he tore down the house,
trucked in about 6 feet of dirt and built a new house. Another
neighbor paid to have his house raised 5 feet, then started his
remodel from there.
I went another way. As owner builder, I did mine in increments, none
being more than about $20k on the permit at a time and that pretty
much only included materials that I got wholesale because my wife was
a builder at the time.