https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.



I do know one thing for sure. If the doctor said your choices are to
either lay here and die, or, try this pill, I'm taking the pill.

On 4/15/20 10:32 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout


(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didn


snip


I do know one thing for sure.Â* If the doctor said your choices are to
either lay here and die, or, try this pill, I'm taking the pill.




Agreed. If it was sure death, I see no harm in taking the pill.

It is no magic answer though.

Hope they can come up with a vaccine.

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:59:04 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didn’t help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasn’t been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

Good point - there is no mention of zinc in the study abstract :

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060558v1

John T.

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

The Trump problem is that he way oversold it, as he does with just about
everything. He said it could be a game changer and that there was
zero risk to taking it. In other words, he once again teed himself up for
what followed.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:16:45 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:59:04 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didn’t help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasn’t been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

Good point - there is no mention of zinc in the study abstract :

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060558v1

John T.
The zinc and antibiotic in the cocktail are likely every bit as
effective as the Chloquine and MAY be as effective without it --- The
tests have not been done.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:30:48 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

The Trump problem is that he way oversold it, as he does with just about
everything. He said it could be a game changer and that there was
zero risk to taking it. In other words, he once again teed himself up for
what followed.

Yeah shame on him for trying to say something encouraging to the
public. He should stick to the message "Hide in your hole, the sky is
falling".

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:03:31 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:16:45 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:59:04 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

Good point - there is no mention of zinc in the study abstract :

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060558v1

John T.
The zinc and antibiotic in the cocktail are likely every bit as
effective as the Chloquine and MAY be as effective without it --- The
tests have not been done.

It sounds like they are being done, in real time, on real patients.
This is "**** on a sparkplug" medicine. (movie reference, Barry Corbin
- War Games).
Not a totally irrelevant reference. ;-)

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:52:04 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 14:03:31 -0400, Clare Snyder
wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 12:16:45 -0400, wrote:

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:59:04 -0400, Frank wrote:

On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didn’t help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasn’t been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

Good point - there is no mention of zinc in the study abstract :

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1....10.20060558v1

John T.
The zinc and antibiotic in the cocktail are likely every bit as
effective as the Chloquine and MAY be as effective without it --- The
tests have not been done.

It sounds like they are being done, in real time, on real patients.
This is "**** on a sparkplug" medicine. (movie reference, Barry Corbin
- War Games).
Not a totally irrelevant reference. ;-)
**** on a sparkplug or **** on an electric fence science is VERY
enlightening to the ****er -- - -

The guy who taught me the trade was a service manager at a small town
GM dealership back in the early sixties. In the simmer they washed
cars in the alley behind the shop and if they guys had to take a leak
they whizzed in the corner on the scrap heap - where there was an old
larf pail lid. It rang pretty good under a full stream - and it was
getting pretty ripe back there in the hot summer sun. One evening he
connected an old Ford ignition coil - you know, one of those with the
vibrating points - to a wire leading to the old lard can lid, and to a
battery under the service desk. Next time he heard the ring of the lid
he pushed the button.
That stopped THAT!!!!

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:48:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:30:48 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

The Trump problem is that he way oversold it, as he does with just about
everything. He said it could be a game changer and that there was
zero risk to taking it. In other words, he once again teed himself up for
what followed.

Yeah shame on him for trying to say something encouraging to the
public. He should stick to the message "Hide in your hole, the sky is
falling".

That's right, shame on Trump as usual. It's one thing to say that some trials
are going to be started to see if it's effective. It's quite another to say
that it could be a game changer, that there is no risk, it's a safe drug
and to do that in the middle of a pandemic.
Trump was doing that not to give hope to people, but to try to save his
re-election. He's convinced himself that a cure will be here very soon,
the facts be damned. He's believing his own BS.

Meanwhile I just read where another study with 160 seriously ill patients in
France with hydro showed no benefit. I'm sure Trump will be updating
us on that at his next press conference, right? He sure bragged about the one
woman in Detroit that says she was helped, that's for sure. This is what
Fauci, doctors and scientists are concerned about, lame shystering by a snake
oil salesman that knows nothing.

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 16:55:05 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 2:48:27 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 09:30:48 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:59:10 AM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout

(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didnt help patients clear the virus better than standard care
and was much more likely to cause side effects, according to a study of
150 hospitalized patients by doctors at 16 centers in China. The
research, which hasnt been peer-reviewed, was released Tuesday.

The drug did help alleviate some clinical symptoms of Covid-19, however,
and the patients who took it showed a greater drop in C-reactive
protein, a measure of inflammation.

Very confusing. On the other hand we have a Jewish doc in NYC that as of
a week ago says he and his fellow docs have treated 600+ patients with
excellent results, not one patient died, not one needed to be intubated,
that only 10% had side effects of some nausea and diarrhea. The interesting
thing is while the media can find all the negatives about these drugs,
they obviously refuse to go find the NYC doc, in the very center of the
pandemic. Or any other doc reporting success, or to follow up with their
patients. That is an example of where Trump is right about the bias of
most of the media.




I think it has to be combined with a zinc compound and another drug. I
hear reports that it works well. Stupid of those who relate this to
Trump who heard it was working and injected optimism.

The Trump problem is that he way oversold it, as he does with just about
everything. He said it could be a game changer and that there was
zero risk to taking it. In other words, he once again teed himself up for
what followed.

Yeah shame on him for trying to say something encouraging to the
public. He should stick to the message "Hide in your hole, the sky is
falling".

That's right, shame on Trump as usual. It's one thing to say that some trials
are going to be started to see if it's effective. It's quite another to say
that it could be a game changer, that there is no risk, it's a safe drug
and to do that in the middle of a pandemic.
Trump was doing that not to give hope to people, but to try to save his
re-election. He's convinced himself that a cure will be here very soon,
the facts be damned. He's believing his own BS.

He is believing the bull**** he hears. Antidotally it did seem helpful
but I agree he went off on half a story. When the dust settles we will
probably find that these drugs help a few people but are far from a
panacea. The blood transfusion thing seems as promising as anything
but that is a 500 year old practice, at least in principle.


Meanwhile I just read where another study with 160 seriously ill patients in
France with hydro showed no benefit. I'm sure Trump will be updating
us on that at his next press conference, right? He sure bragged about the one
woman in Detroit that says she was helped, that's for sure. This is what
Fauci, doctors and scientists are concerned about, lame shystering by a snake
oil salesman that knows nothing.

Fauci is pretty good at the snake oil business himself. He changes his
mind about what is good for us at least once a week, sometimes more
often than that. He is another guy who should get his story straight
before he steps in front of a camera.
I really blame the 24 hour news tho. I am sure they are chasing him
down the hall at Building 10 looking for a statement a couple times a
day. Maybe that is where we should be putting up the quarantine, to
keep the cameras out.

On 04/15/2020 09:43 AM, philo wrote:
On 4/15/20 10:32 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 4/15/2020 11:26 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, April 15, 2020 at 11:14:48 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/hea...id=mailsignout


(Bloomberg) -- Hydroxychloroquine, the 65-year-old malaria drug that
President Donald Trump has praised, appeared not to help patients get
rid of the pathogen in a small study

The pill didn


snip


I do know one thing for sure. If the doctor said your choices are to
either lay here and die, or, try this pill, I'm taking the pill.




Agreed. If it was sure death, I see no harm in taking the pill.

It is no magic answer though.

Hope they can come up with a vaccine.

You are aware of the effectiveness of the standard influenza vaccines
they've been tweaking for years? 50% is generous. There's no magic there
either.