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Utility shed situation
I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up
against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:00:36 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote:
I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. IDK what that means. Are you saying the AC winds up inside the shed? The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. I doubt you have an issue there. As long as it's not attached to the house and is clearly a shed, then it's a shed. Do you need a permit for a shed? If not, they won't even know until it's time to reappraise the property and I doubt any appraiser is going to care. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. |
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On 11/6/2019 11:22 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 10:00:36 AM UTC-5, Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. IDK what that means. Are you saying the AC winds up inside the shed? The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. I doubt you have an issue there. As long as it's not attached to the house and is clearly a shed, then it's a shed. Do you need a permit for a shed? If not, they won't even know until it's time to reappraise the property and I doubt any appraiser is going to care. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. County here requires permit for 220 sq. ft. shed. They are a PITA with aggressive inspectors going around. |
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County here requires permit for 220 sq. ft. shed. They are a PITA with aggressive inspectors going around. Are you sure that it's not 120 sq. ft. ? Our town is 108 sq. ft. ie 9 x 12 John T. |
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej
wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. That receptacle by the AC must be a local thing. I don't see it up here. |
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:21:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. That receptacle by the AC must be a local thing. I don't see it up here. It has been in the NEC for ~18 years. (2002) 210.63 Heating, Air-Conditioning, and Refrigeration Equipment Outlet. A 125-volt, single-phase, 15- or 20- ampere-rated receptacle outlet shall be installed at an accessible location for the servicing of heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle shall be located on the same level and within 7.5 m (25 ft) of the heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle outlet shall not be connected to the load side of the equipment disconnecting means. |
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On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:12:39 AM UTC-5, wrote:
On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:21:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. That receptacle by the AC must be a local thing. I don't see it up here. It has been in the NEC for ~18 years. (2002) 210.63 Heating, Air-Conditioning, and Refrigeration Equipment Outlet. A 125-volt, single-phase, 15- or 20- ampere-rated receptacle outlet shall be installed at an accessible location for the servicing of heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle shall be located on the same level and within 7.5 m (25 ft) of the heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle outlet shall not be connected to the load side of the equipment disconnecting means. I guess the 25 ft range puts many already existing receptacles within range. And would "accessible" include ones that are inside the house that you can reach by opening a window? I know when I replaced mine here ten years ago, it was inspected, there was no visible outdoor receptacle by the AC and the inspector never said a word or checked where the nearest one was. I've never noticed ones right next to other ACs here either, but then there frequently are outdoor receptacles someplace within extension cord reach. IMO, this reqpt makes no sense. It would make more sense to require at least one outdoor receptacle on each side of a home, or for every 25 ft of perimeter, etc. You're far more likely to need those for safe use of all kinds of things, eg power washing, electric leaf blowers or mowers, paint sprayers, etc., than for the need of power to service the AC. |
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On 11/7/2019 9:24 AM, trader_4 wrote:
On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:12:39 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:21:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. That receptacle by the AC must be a local thing. I don't see it up here. It has been in the NEC for ~18 years. (2002) 210.63 Heating, Air-Conditioning, and Refrigeration Equipment Outlet. A 125-volt, single-phase, 15- or 20- ampere-rated receptacle outlet shall be installed at an accessible location for the servicing of heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle shall be located on the same level and within 7.5 m (25 ft) of the heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle outlet shall not be connected to the load side of the equipment disconnecting means. I guess the 25 ft range puts many already existing receptacles within range. And would "accessible" include ones that are inside the house that you can reach by opening a window? I know when I replaced mine here ten years ago, it was inspected, there was no visible outdoor receptacle by the AC and the inspector never said a word or checked where the nearest one was. I've never noticed ones right next to other ACs here either, but then there frequently are outdoor receptacles someplace within extension cord reach. IMO, this reqpt makes no sense. It would make more sense to require at least one outdoor receptacle on each side of a home, or for every 25 ft of perimeter, etc. You're far more likely to need those for safe use of all kinds of things, eg power washing, electric leaf blowers or mowers, paint sprayers, etc., than for the need of power to service the AC. I have five outdoor receptacles. One is about 12' from the AC and in a spot where it otherwise would probably never be used. Note though, I did say "probably" but if you need to use a tool on that side it would be handy. I thought the builder was just being a nice guy putting one there. |
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On Thu, 7 Nov 2019 06:24:07 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Thursday, November 7, 2019 at 8:12:39 AM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 11:21:38 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 12:36:27 PM UTC-5, wrote: On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. I would stay 3-4 feet from the A/C unit, even if that means pouring more concrete. You certainly don't want to block air flow and you don't want that heat in/on your shed. As for being part of the house, usually a test is whether there is a door going into the house from there. The only other issue I see is storing flammable liquids on a shared wall. If this is a sleeping room, it may not pass muster in the fire code. No matter what, you may still need a 1 hour rated wall. (YMMV) These are the kinds of things I would worry about. If the A/C was installed in this century there should be a GFCI protected receptacle next to the condenser so you could tap off that for a light and maybe a receptacle for a battery charger or something. That receptacle by the AC must be a local thing. I don't see it up here. It has been in the NEC for ~18 years. (2002) 210.63 Heating, Air-Conditioning, and Refrigeration Equipment Outlet. A 125-volt, single-phase, 15- or 20- ampere-rated receptacle outlet shall be installed at an accessible location for the servicing of heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle shall be located on the same level and within 7.5 m (25 ft) of the heating, air-conditioning, and refrigeration equipment. The receptacle outlet shall not be connected to the load side of the equipment disconnecting means. I guess the 25 ft range puts many already existing receptacles within range. And would "accessible" include ones that are inside the house that you can reach by opening a window? Short answer, no. If it is through a door or window, it is not "accessible". I know when I replaced mine here ten years ago, it was inspected, there was no visible outdoor receptacle by the AC and the inspector never said a word or checked where the nearest one was. I've never noticed ones right next to other ACs here either, but then there frequently are outdoor receptacles someplace within extension cord reach. IMO, this reqpt makes no sense. It would make more sense to require at least one outdoor receptacle on each side of a home, or for every 25 ft of perimeter, etc. You're far more likely to need those for safe use of all kinds of things, eg power washing, electric leaf blowers or mowers, paint sprayers, etc., than for the need of power to service the AC. The main use for the receptacle is the evacuation pump. There is a rule requiring one on both sides of the house already. One on an elevated deck only counts if you can get there from grade. |
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On Wednesday, November 6, 2019 at 2:13:08 PM UTC-6, Clare Snyder wrote:
[...] Don't know about where you live, but here in Waterloo Ontario anything under 108 sq ft outside wall dimensions that does not have any plumbing does not require a permit IF it is "free standing". This means NO connection to the main building. No pool filtes, no water lines -. There is no limit to the size of the roof as long as there are no "external" roof supports. It cannot be located within 2.5 meters - or 8' 2om the main structure of any adjacent main building (on other lots) and must adhere to minimum setbacks the same as any other building, It can be up to 13' 1 1/2" tall but the base cannot be more than 2 inches above ground AT ANY POINT. and cannot cover more than 10% of the total lot area. If the sill plate of the "shed" is fastened to the house in any way you need a permit. I don't see any restriction regarding distance from main structure, however 120 sqft and 10 ft eve height is the limit to avoid a permit. Under 400 sqft seems to have relaxed permit requirements. Over 400 sqft requires a detached garage permit. I think I want about 220 sqft. I think I will need to call the county and ask them about the basic requirements that a 220 sqft shed would need to meet. |
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In alt.home.repair, on Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej
wrote: I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. How big is it planned to be. Paint "SHED" on the door. Maybe later you can paint over it. |
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On Wed, 6 Nov 2019 07:00:29 -0800 (PST), Davej wrote:
Any thoughts? Thanks. My brother figured out a loophole around the 120 square foot rule to build a garden shed for all his stuff. He built one about 50 feet feet tall, with ladders & pulleys for the upper 3 or 4 levels. The city updated their by-laws afterwards to add a height restriction. |
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On 11/6/19 9:00 AM, Davej wrote:
I am in the predicament of wanting to build a utility shed up against the house on an inside corner where my outdoor A/C unit is located. The area lost to the A/C unit is not significant but obviously a lot of screened venting will need to go into the wall design. The whole area is already a large concrete slab. Also I am pondering how to make sure the county will accept this as a shed and not an addition to the house. The primary purpose of the shed will be storage of lawnmowers and garden tools/supplies. Any thoughts? Thanks. Suppose you buy a pre made one? |
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