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Florida stand your ground case conviction.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4, wrote: Political bull**** snipped The guy was fighting with the cops. Should they have bought him a cake? The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons, he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down. At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him, he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will. How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest? This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished. I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for criminals to get them in the wagon. Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go". This happens all the time. Who knows what any of them are thinking. I would guess it's more that they are mad, think the cops are unfairly busting their chops and choose not to cooperate. I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be. I agree. It still doesn't give a cop the right to ignore the police dept's rule that bans chokeholds. And as resisting arrest goes, what Garner was doing was at the lower end of the spectrum. He was unarmed, he didn't swing at any of the cops. He was just tussling around, making it hard for then to handcuff him. If they can't handle that, with several cops on top of him, without using a banned chokehold, they shouldn't be cops. Did you ever see a cop on one of those shows use a chokehold on someone just doing what Garner was doing, on the ground, several cops on him? I can't recall seeing a chokehold used period, maybe because they are banned in many places and most cops are more responsible. IT WASN'T the BANNED CHOKE HOLD. |
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Florida stand your ground case conviction.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 1:27:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4, wrote: Political bull**** snipped The guy was fighting with the cops. Should they have bought him a cake? The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons, he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down. At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him, he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will. How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest? This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished. I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for criminals to get them in the wagon. Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go". This happens all the time. Who knows what any of them are thinking. I would guess it's more that they are mad, think the cops are unfairly busting their chops and choose not to cooperate. I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be. I agree. It still doesn't give a cop the right to ignore the police dept's rule that bans chokeholds. And as resisting arrest goes, what Garner was doing was at the lower end of the spectrum. He was unarmed, he didn't swing at any of the cops. He was just tussling around, making it hard for then to handcuff him. If they can't handle that, with several cops on top of him, without using a banned chokehold, they shouldn't be cops. Did you ever see a cop on one of those shows use a chokehold on someone just doing what Garner was doing, on the ground, several cops on him? I can't recall seeing a chokehold used period, maybe because they are banned in many places and most cops are more responsible. IT WASN'T the BANNED CHOKE HOLD. If you bothered to read the cite I provided, (the one you called "political BS) from the NYC police chief when they instituted the no chokehold policy, he clearly said that the ban covers ALL CHOKEHOLDS, there is no differentiation, that NONE are permitted. For people like you that won't read or listen, he added "stay away from the neck". Dealing with you at times is what it must be like dealing with Trump. |
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Florida stand your ground case conviction.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 1:27:38 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4, wrote: Political bull**** snipped The guy was fighting with the cops. Should they have bought him a cake? The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons, he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down. At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him, he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will. How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest? This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished. I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for criminals to get them in the wagon. Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go". This happens all the time. Who knows what any of them are thinking. I would guess it's more that they are mad, think the cops are unfairly busting their chops and choose not to cooperate. I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be. I agree. It still doesn't give a cop the right to ignore the police dept's rule that bans chokeholds. And as resisting arrest goes, what Garner was doing was at the lower end of the spectrum. He was unarmed, he didn't swing at any of the cops. He was just tussling around, making it hard for then to handcuff him. If they can't handle that, with several cops on top of him, without using a banned chokehold, they shouldn't be cops. Did you ever see a cop on one of those shows use a chokehold on someone just doing what Garner was doing, on the ground, several cops on him? I can't recall seeing a chokehold used period, maybe because they are banned in many places and most cops are more responsible. IT WASN'T the BANNED CHOKE HOLD. The head of police training in NYC, who testified under oath, says otherwise: The NYPDs head of training at the Police Academy testified on Tuesday that Officer Daniel Pantaleo was never trained to use a seatbelt hold, contradicting claims by the cops lawyer during his departmental trial for the death of Eric Garner. After watching video evidence, Inspector Richard Dee, commanding officer of recruit training in the NYPD, said the position Pantaleo had when he wrapped his hand around Garners neck €śmeets the definition of a chokehold." Dee said Pantaleo was repeatedly instructed not to use the chokehold that led to Garners death as he was arrested on Staten Island on July 17, 2014. Dee added that the prohibition of chokeholds is repeatedly highlighted in training documents in bold and capitalized text. The ban is referenced in writing and in class demonstrations. Dee said that if he was in Pantaleos shoes he would have waited for backup, and that Pantaleo had several alternative courses of action before wrapping his arm around Garners neck. |
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Florida stand your ground case conviction.
On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote:
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 1:27:38 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4, wrote: Political bull**** snipped The guy was fighting with the cops. Should they have bought him a cake? The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons, he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down. At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him, he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will. How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest? This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished. I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for criminals to get them in the wagon. Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go". This happens all the time. Who knows what any of them are thinking. I would guess it's more that they are mad, think the cops are unfairly busting their chops and choose not to cooperate. I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be. I agree. It still doesn't give a cop the right to ignore the police dept's rule that bans chokeholds. And as resisting arrest goes, what Garner was doing was at the lower end of the spectrum. He was unarmed, he didn't swing at any of the cops. He was just tussling around, making it hard for then to handcuff him. If they can't handle that, with several cops on top of him, without using a banned chokehold, they shouldn't be cops. Did you ever see a cop on one of those shows use a chokehold on someone just doing what Garner was doing, on the ground, several cops on him? I can't recall seeing a chokehold used period, maybe because they are banned in many places and most cops are more responsible. IT WASN'T the BANNED CHOKE HOLD. If you bothered to read the cite I provided, (the one you called "political BS) from the NYC police chief when they instituted the no chokehold policy, he clearly said that the ban covers ALL CHOKEHOLDS, there is no differentiation, that NONE are permitted. For people like you that won't read or listen, he added "stay away from the neck". Dealing with you at times is what it must be like dealing with Trump. That was monday morning quarter backing by a politician covering his ass. Thank you for proving that you don't even look at the facts, at the cites I provided. What I provided was from the early 90s, when the PD in NYC put in place the ban on chokeholds. For good reason, there were already a number of needless deaths, like Eric Garner, and the PD, like many PDs across the country, acted. It wasn't specific to the Garner case, it clearly wasn't Monday morning quarterbacking, because it was BEFORE the Garner incident. As for Monday morning quarterbacking, you;re the expert there. At the time cops were saying it was the sleeper hold that was banned. It is pretty hard to take down a much larger man and not touch his neck unless you just shoot him or beat him with batons. Not with 4 trained cops. Responsible cops that follow the rules do it all the time. BTW why didn't the supervisor do anything? She was right there cheering him on. That's another lie, unless you can show us evidence that she was, in fact, cheering him on. You're just like Trump, you just lie and make whatever up that helps your case, no matter how wrong it is. |
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Florida stand your ground case conviction.
On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 15:12:08 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote: On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 4:11:24 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 11:36:30 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Tuesday, August 27, 2019 at 1:27:38 PM UTC-4, wrote: On Tue, 27 Aug 2019 07:06:13 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 10:17:05 PM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote: On 8/26/2019 7:29 PM, wrote: On Mon, 26 Aug 2019 10:42:55 -0700 (PDT), trader_4 wrote: On Monday, August 26, 2019 at 11:29:28 AM UTC-4, wrote: Political bull**** snipped The guy was fighting with the cops. Should they have bought him a cake? The guy never punched a cop, never hit a cop, he had no weapons, he just struggled, refused to be handcuffed and they took him down. At that point he was face down, several cops were on top of him, he was no serious threat at that point. And if you, along with a couple of other cops, can't restrain a guy like that and deal with him without violating dept policy and using a deadly chokehold, you should find another job. Now he will. How long was he supposed to be allowed to "struggle" with police before he stops the CRIME of resisting arrest? This was a crime in progress by the biggest guy there who was not going quietly. In the end he did tho. Mission accomplished. I hope the cop finds a better job where they don't buy cake for criminals to get them in the wagon. Yeah, seems there was a very easy way to prevent this death. Comply and figure it out later. If there is one of you and two, three, or four of them, do you think you will win? Maybe he figured the cops would just say "this guy is really tough, lets just let him go". This happens all the time. Who knows what any of them are thinking. I would guess it's more that they are mad, think the cops are unfairly busting their chops and choose not to cooperate. I like watching Live PD (A & E network) on weekends. Amazing how criminals or suspects make it much more difficult that it has to be. I agree. It still doesn't give a cop the right to ignore the police dept's rule that bans chokeholds. And as resisting arrest goes, what Garner was doing was at the lower end of the spectrum. He was unarmed, he didn't swing at any of the cops. He was just tussling around, making it hard for then to handcuff him. If they can't handle that, with several cops on top of him, without using a banned chokehold, they shouldn't be cops. Did you ever see a cop on one of those shows use a chokehold on someone just doing what Garner was doing, on the ground, several cops on him? I can't recall seeing a chokehold used period, maybe because they are banned in many places and most cops are more responsible. IT WASN'T the BANNED CHOKE HOLD. If you bothered to read the cite I provided, (the one you called "political BS) from the NYC police chief when they instituted the no chokehold policy, he clearly said that the ban covers ALL CHOKEHOLDS, there is no differentiation, that NONE are permitted. For people like you that won't read or listen, he added "stay away from the neck". Dealing with you at times is what it must be like dealing with Trump. That was monday morning quarter backing by a politician covering his ass. Thank you for proving that you don't even look at the facts, at the cites I provided. What I provided was from the early 90s, when the PD in NYC put in place the ban on chokeholds. For good reason, there were already a number of needless deaths, like Eric Garner, and the PD, like many PDs across the country, acted. It wasn't specific to the Garner case, it clearly wasn't Monday morning quarterbacking, because it was BEFORE the Garner incident. As for Monday morning quarterbacking, you;re the expert there. I know what they were telling the cops not to do and it was definitely the sleeper hold. This is from way more than one cop and I knew plenty of them. The deaths were because they were crushing the corotid and the brain was starving for oxygen. . Are you seriously going to say you never saw a video of a cop grabbing someone around the neck in an arrest? How else are you going to grab a guy who is bigger around than your arms reach? You still keep ignoring the fact that this guy was resisting arrest and daring them to do anything about it How would you have dealt with it? Just give him a cake and send him on his way? At the time cops were saying it was the sleeper hold that was banned. It is pretty hard to take down a much larger man and not touch his neck unless you just shoot him or beat him with batons. Not with 4 trained cops. Responsible cops that follow the rules do it all the time. BTW why didn't the supervisor do anything? She was right there cheering him on. That's another lie, unless you can show us evidence that she was, in fact, cheering him on. You're just like Trump, you just lie and make whatever up that helps your case, no matter how wrong it is. Did you watch the same video I did? She was just standing there encouraging the cop to get this taken care of. I didn't see anyone trying to stop the way he was holding Garner. It didn't even come up until a day or two later. The neck hold is not what killed him, it was the struggle and his lousy health. |
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