If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

On 8/14/2018 12:44 PM, Frank wrote:


But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale.Â* An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

Soft Scrub was made just for that reason. We used it on the porcelain.
Now we have a SS sink and Comet makes it shine well, but I only do it
maybe once every week or two. Plain soap on a 3M sponge thing does well.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 13:22:15 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:44 PM, Frank wrote:


But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale.Â* An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

Soft Scrub was made just for that reason. We used it on the porcelain.
Now we have a SS sink and Comet makes it shine well, but I only do it
maybe once every week or two. Plain soap on a 3M sponge thing does well.

Yup Bon Ami was the original "soft scrub". I also agree on the soap
and 3m pad. That does wonders for all sorts of stuff. Barkeepers
Friend is probably the best stainless cleaner but that is really only
when you really have a mess. I use it on the SS gas grill.

On 8/14/2018 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)


Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Even brushing teeth with baking soda
might be a problem if there is a silica based anti-caking agent that
might abrade enamel.

I just used Barkeepers Friend on a friend's suggestion on my 50 yr old porcelean double sink. Scratched and dulled the **** out of the white and the stainless drainers.
I normally use OxyClean. I get rust from knifes and such sitting for a few hours. The Oxy fixes it. BF will be used in the basement wash sinks instead of tossing it out.

posted for all of us...



If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

I hear the Mr. Clean Magic Eraser is the same way.

--
Tekkie

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:31:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)


Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Even brushing teeth with baking soda
might be a problem if there is a silica based anti-caking agent that
might abrade enamel.

I am not sure about everyone but Arm and Hammer says theirs is 100%
Sodium Bicarb.
I remember my old chemistry teacher telling us baking soda was USP
grade because it was the pure biproduct of another process (that
escapes me now). I assume some of that purity may be lost in the
handling and packaging but it is still pretty pure stuff (food grade).

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:07:52 -0400, wrote:

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)

I just use plain Dawn dish soap to clean the sinks and even the tub. If
it's real greasy, a little non-abrasive Goop hand cleaner helps.

Let us know how them Tide pods taste LOL.

One thing I never understood is why they make soaps and other household
cleaners smell like food? How many kids ingest that stuff because of the
smell? I bought some ammonia recently and they did not have the plain
stuff on the shelf so I had to buy the lemon scented. I still dont
understand why they make it lemon scented. It all smells lousy....

Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...

On 08/14/2018 02:35 PM, wrote:
Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...


You do know there are unscented versions, don't you?

On 8/14/2018 4:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:31:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)


Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Even brushing teeth with baking soda
might be a problem if there is a silica based anti-caking agent that
might abrade enamel.

I am not sure about everyone but Arm and Hammer says theirs is 100%
Sodium Bicarb.
I remember my old chemistry teacher telling us baking soda was USP
grade because it was the pure biproduct of another process (that
escapes me now). I assume some of that purity may be lost in the
handling and packaging but it is still pretty pure stuff (food grade).

You are right and that's what the box says. There may have been other
chemicals there in the past from what I googled. I should correct myself
to say from reading a box of salt's label that it contains silicone
dioxide and that would erode enamel. I was mistaken about my comment
but it would stand if there were such an additive in baking soda.

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:29 -0700 (PDT), Thomas
wrote:

I just used Barkeepers Friend on a friend's suggestion on my 50 yr old porcelean double sink. Scratched and dulled the **** out of the white and the stainless drainers.
I normally use OxyClean. I get rust from knifes and such sitting for a few hours. The Oxy fixes it. BF will be used in the basement wash sinks instead of tossing it out.

You use that on brushed stainless, not polished SS or much of anything
else.

On 8/14/18 3:35 PM, wrote:

Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tHJlWzKeFHU

On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:



People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

I wouldn't even use powdered cleansers on SS. They cake up in the drains.
I've seen drains severely reduced by caked up powdered cleansers.

On 08/14/2018 04:35 PM, wrote:
Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...

I threw out a bottle of Persil after one use because it had so much
perfume I couldn't stand it.

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 4:39:19 PM UTC-4, wrote:

Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...

Buy unscented laundry detergent. I do.


Cindy Hamilton

On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:45:02 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 8/14/2018 4:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:31:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)


Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Even brushing teeth with baking soda
might be a problem if there is a silica based anti-caking agent that
might abrade enamel.

I am not sure about everyone but Arm and Hammer says theirs is 100%
Sodium Bicarb.
I remember my old chemistry teacher telling us baking soda was USP
grade because it was the pure biproduct of another process (that
escapes me now). I assume some of that purity may be lost in the
handling and packaging but it is still pretty pure stuff (food grade).

You are right and that's what the box says. There may have been other
chemicals there in the past from what I googled. I should correct myself
to say from reading a box of salt's label that it contains silicone
dioxide and that would erode enamel. I was mistaken about my comment
but it would stand if there were such an additive in baking soda.

Silicon dioxide is sand. It keeps the salt from clumping. "When it
rains, it pours!"

Cindy Hamilton

On 8/15/2018 6:54 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, August 14, 2018 at 6:45:02 PM UTC-4, Frank wrote:
On 8/14/2018 4:02 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 15:31:17 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 3:07 PM, wrote:
On Tue, 14 Aug 2018 12:44:39 -0400, Frank "frank wrote:

On 8/14/2018 12:37 PM, wrote:
On Mon, 13 Aug 2018 23:30:24 -0500, wrote:

If you ever used Comet or Ajax Kitchen Cleanser, you're probably aware
of the grittiness of that product.

I remember that stuff going back to the 1950s. Maybe it was nade before
then? Anyhow, I do wonder if anyone ever sued the companies that made
that stuff? The reason is because it ruined more sinks and bathtubs than
any other product ever made.

My mother wore the porcelain off her kitchen sink, right down to the
cast iron in spots. Her bathtub no longer had any gloss to it, because
that stuff wore off the porcelain probably almost to the bare metal. Her
bathroom sink was the same way, but my father replaced it and told mom
to never use that crap on the new sink.

Of course, with the gloss worn off the tub, it just got dirty easier and
that meant mom used more kitchen cleanser...

Heck, when I was an older kid, (teens) and got myself all filthy with
car grease or paint, tar, etc. Mom handed me the kitchen cleanser and
said go clean yourself up. (I did it once, it burned my skin, I never
used it again).

I still see it in the stores, but I wont buy it. From all I know, it was
just a fine abrasive and powdered bleach, and maybe some sort of
detergent too.

But I bet well over half the sinks and tubs in America were ruined by
that crap during the 50's thru the 70's or 80's... And some probably
still are being ruined.

I do wonder how many lawsuits were placed aginst the companies that sold
that stuff???

If you wanted non abrasive stuff, you bought Bon Ami. I remember Babbo
long before Comet.


People in this group should understand abrasives and their scale. An
abrasive that cannot scratch steel may scratch porcelain. I suspect
cleanser manufacturers have cleaned up their act so their products do
not abrade porcelain as maybe previous products did.

We seem to have lost the ability to match products to their use. Some
people seem to assume what is OK for their stainless steel sink is
also OK for toothpaste and those Tide pods really look like yummy
stuff (even to adults)


Yes, that is what I am suggesting. Even brushing teeth with baking soda
might be a problem if there is a silica based anti-caking agent that
might abrade enamel.

I am not sure about everyone but Arm and Hammer says theirs is 100%
Sodium Bicarb.
I remember my old chemistry teacher telling us baking soda was USP
grade because it was the pure biproduct of another process (that
escapes me now). I assume some of that purity may be lost in the
handling and packaging but it is still pretty pure stuff (food grade).

You are right and that's what the box says. There may have been other
chemicals there in the past from what I googled. I should correct myself
to say from reading a box of salt's label that it contains silicone
dioxide and that would erode enamel. I was mistaken about my comment
but it would stand if there were such an additive in baking soda.

Silicon dioxide is sand. It keeps the salt from clumping. "When it
rains, it pours!"

Cindy Hamilton

Yup, and back in the old days when flour mills used grindstones enough
grit ended up in the bread that everybody's teeth were worn down.

On 08/14/2018 03:35 PM, wrote:

[snip]

Another thing that bugs me is why they make laundry detergents smell
like perfume. I want my clothes to smell clean after washing them, not
smell like a drunken woman in a bar who poured a whole bottle of perfume
on her, after applying that bright red lipstiick that makes her look
like a circus clown...

Other things where perfume doesn't make sense include toilet paper and
cat litter.

The stuff (including "air fresheners") often don't smell like the
natural things they're supposed to smell like, but oily chemicals.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us/

"Nothing could be more anti-Biblical than letting women vote."
[Editorial, Harper's Magazine, November 1853]

On 08/15/2018 05:54 AM, wrote:

[snip]

You are right and that's what the box says. There may have been other
chemicals there in the past from what I googled. I should correct myself
to say from reading a box of salt's label that it contains silicone
dioxide and that would erode enamel. I was mistaken about my comment
but it would stand if there were such an additive in baking soda.

Silicon dioxide is sand. It keeps the salt from clumping. "When it
rains, it pours!"

True. Silicon dioxide. Silicone is something else.

Cindy Hamilton