Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout


The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout


The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:39:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout

One report states the bridge was built offsite and moved into
position.

Somebody screwed the pooch when erecting it.

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout

The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.

There was some major incompetence involved. It will be interesting to see what the investigation turns up. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Curious Monster

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:14:24 -0700, Oren wrote:

On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:39:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout

One report states the bridge was built offsite and moved into
position.

Somebody screwed the pooch when erecting it.
It was far from finished - completion was scrduled for late 2019??

It was still under construction when it fell.

On 3/15/2018 3:37 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered.Â* It was installed in six
hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout



The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.

Are all gun nuts this stupid?

On 3/15/2018 7:15 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout
The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.
There was some major incompetence involved. It will be interesting to see what the investigation turns up. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Curious Monster

Are the libtards blaming President Trump yet?

On 3/15/2018 6:46 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
....

It was still under construction when it fell.

The news story I saw said it had been opened for pedestrian traffic for
under six hours...

--

On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 7:58:09 PM UTC-5, Dev Null wrote:
On 3/15/2018 7:15 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 5:37:49 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout
The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.
There was some major incompetence involved. It will be interesting to see what the investigation turns up. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Curious Monster

Are the libtards blaming President Trump yet?


Bodyless, Traitor_4ever and Dove Anus will. ^_^

[8~{} Uncle Observant Monster

On 03/15/2018 05:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:39:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout

One report states the bridge was built offsite and moved into
position.

Somebody screwed the pooch when erecting it.


The report I read said it was a technique developed at FIU. They showed
us freshmen engineering students a video of the Tacoma Narrows bridge
collapse to show us how not to do things. The FIU student will have a
close up and personal example to draw on.

That's what happens when your engineers spent their childhood building
bridges from Legos.

On 3/15/2018 10:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/15/2018 05:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:39:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered.* It was installed in six
hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout


One report states the bridge was built offsite and moved into
position.

Somebody screwed the pooch when erecting it.


The report I read said it was a technique developed at FIU. They showed
us freshmen engineering students a video of the Tacoma Narrows bridge
collapse to show us how not to do things. The FIU student will have a
close up and personal example to draw on.

That's what happens when your engineers spent their childhood building
bridges from Legos.

It was also stated it was not complete yet. So what? It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way. Poor engineering.

On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
....

It was also stated it was not complete yet.* So what?* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate. Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it? Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.

--

On 3/16/2018 10:40 AM, dpb wrote:
On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.* So what?* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate.* Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

Engineering is not just the design of the finished unit, it also
includes proper procedure for construction and installation. Unless a
couple of pages of the assembly instructions were missing, it is still a
design flaw.

USA Today article states experts say it was vulnerable to collapse until
completed. While that may be true, it does not sound very smart over a
highway.



I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it?* Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.

--
Not complete. Scheduled to be complete in 2019. It was just erected in
6 hours last Saturday.

The concepts of fabricating off site is a good one that has worked for
many projects but evidently, it was poorly executed here.

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 10:59:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/16/2018 10:40 AM, dpb wrote:
On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.* So what?* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate.* Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

Engineering is not just the design of the finished unit, it also
includes proper procedure for construction and installation. Unless a
couple of pages of the assembly instructions were missing, it is still a
design flaw.

USA Today article states experts say it was vulnerable to collapse until
completed. While that may be true, it does not sound very smart over a
highway.



I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it?* Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.

--
Not complete. Scheduled to be complete in 2019. It was just erected in
6 hours last Saturday.

The concepts of fabricating off site is a good one that has worked for
many projects but evidently, it was poorly executed here.

_Companies behind Florida bridge collapse have history of fines,
failures, lawsuits_

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/16/companies-behind-florida-bridge-collapse-have-history-fines-failures-lawsuits.html

"The two firms responsible for building Florida International
University’s "instant bridge," which suddenly collapsed Thursday and
left six people dead, are coming under increased scrutiny as details
emerge of past engineering failures and inspection fines -- including
a recent accusation that one hired “unskilled” and “careless”
workers."

On 03/16/2018 11:54 AM, Wayne Boatwright wrote:
On Fri 16 Mar 2018 07:59:24a, Ed Pawlowski told us...

On 3/16/2018 10:40 AM, dpb wrote:
On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote: ...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.Â* So what?Â* It should
have been properly secured and supported along the way.Â* Poor
engineering.
Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction;
the design may have been perfectly adequate.Â* Where, precisely,
the blame belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to
any conclusions premature.
Engineering is not just the design of the finished unit, it also
includes proper procedure for construction and installation.
Unless a couple of pages of the assembly instructions were
missing, it is still a design flaw.

USA Today article states experts say it was vulnerable to collapse
until completed. While that may be true, it does not sound very
smart over a highway.


I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for
pedestrian traffic which would imply completion and that it was
still incomplete--so which was it?Â* Clearly the newsfolk don't
have all their "facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before
rush to pontificate.

--
Not complete. Scheduled to be complete in 2019. It was just
erected in 6 hours last Saturday.

The concepts of fabricating off site is a good one that has worked
for many projects but evidently, it was poorly executed here.

We have numerous pedestrian walkways spanning over large freeways
here in the Phoenix area. To my knowledge there has never been a
failure.

My guess is that there is a strong push in the engineering world to make stuff faster and cheaper.Â* Apparently they went a bit too far.

On 03/16/2018 10:54 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Maybe if America spent more on engineers and less on lawyers you could achieve buildings that stay up.

Sadly, it's the fear of litigation that keeps engineers somewhat honest.

On 3/16/2018 1:06 PM, Sue Yerasses wrote:
On 03/16/2018 10:54 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Maybe if America spent more on engineers and less on lawyers you could
achieve buildings that stay up.

Sadly, it's the fear of litigation that keeps engineers somewhat honest.


I'm not so sure about our current crop of engineers. I had a retired
classmate retire as a civil engineer and teach part time in a community
college. They would not let him flunk anybody and he quit. Another
friend was a state highway department engineer who retired but was
retained as a consultant. It appears younger engineers were not cutting
it. A lot of politicization appears to be involved even in engineering
not to mention science.

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 1:02:32 PM UTC-5, Frank wrote:
On 3/16/2018 1:06 PM, Sue Yerasses wrote:
On 03/16/2018 10:54 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Maybe if America spent more on engineers and less on lawyers you could
achieve buildings that stay up.

Sadly, it's the fear of litigation that keeps engineers somewhat honest.


I'm not so sure about our current crop of engineers. I had a retired
classmate retire as a civil engineer and teach part time in a community
college. They would not let him flunk anybody and he quit. Another
friend was a state highway department engineer who retired but was
retained as a consultant. It appears younger engineers were not cutting
it. A lot of politicization appears to be involved even in engineering
not to mention science.


Politically Correct engineers? Sounds like a recipe for disaster. o_O

[8~{} Uncle Science Monster

On 3/15/2018 8:43 PM, Bob F wrote:
On 3/15/2018 3:37 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/15/2018 4:42 PM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Thursday, March 15, 2018 at 3:39:27 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered.Â* It was installed in six
hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout



The news of the tragedy is all over talk radio here. Very sad. 8-(

[8~{} Uncle Sad Monster

There will be student marches throughout the nation against bridges.

Are all gun nuts this stupid?

I'm just pulling chain of likes of you.
I read they suspended a student in Ohio for refusing to go to a gun
protest. Its you new Nazis.

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 13:06:49 -0400, Sue Yerasses wrote:

On 03/16/2018 10:54 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Maybe if America spent more on engineers and less on lawyers you could achieve buildings that stay up.

Sadly, it's the fear of litigation that keeps engineers somewhat honest.

Even sadder, you are just another troll-feeding idiot!

--
about Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL)
trolling:
"He is a well known attention seeking troll and every reply you
make feeds him.
Starts many threads most of which die quick as on the UK groups anyone
with sense Kill filed him ages ago which is why he now cross posts to
the US groups for a new audience.
This thread was unusual in that it derived and continued without him
to a large extent and his silly questioning is an attempt to get
noticed again."
MID:

--
ItsJoanNotJoann addressing Birdbrain Macaw's (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"You're an annoying troll and I'm done with you and your
stupidity."
MID:

--
AndyW addressing Birdbrain:
"Troll or idiot?...
You have been presented with a viewpoint with information, reasoning,
historical cases, citations and references to back it up and wilfully
ignore all going back to your idea which has no supporting information."
MID:

--
Phil Lee adressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are too stupid to be wasting oxygen."
MID:

--
Phil Lee describing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I've never seen such misplaced pride in being a ****ing moronic motorist."
MID:

--
Tony944 addressing Birdbrain Macaw:
"I seen and heard many people but you are on top of list being first class
ass hole jerk. ...You fit under unconditional Idiot and should be put in
mental institution.
MID:

--
Pelican to Birdbrain Macaw:
"Ok. I'm persuaded . You are an idiot."
MID:

--
DerbyDad03 addressing Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"Frigging Idiot. Get the hell out of my thread."
MID:

--
Kerr Mudd-John about Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"It's like arguing with a demented frog."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder Esquire about Birdbrain Macaw (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"the **** poor delivery boy with no hot running water, 11 cats and
several parrots living in his hovel."
MID:

--
Rob Morley about Birdbrain:
"He's a perennial idiot"
MID: 20170519215057.56a1f1d4@Mars

--
JoeyDee to Birdbrain
"I apologize for thinking you were a jerk. You're just someone with an IQ
lower than your age, and I accept that as a reason for your comments."
MID: l-september.org

--
Sam Plusnet about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson Sword" LOL):
"He's just desperate to be noticed. Any attention will do, no matter how
negative it may be."
MID:

--
asking Birdbrain:
"What, were you dropped on your head as a child?"
MID:

--
Christie addressing endlessly driveling Birdbrain Macaw (now "James
Wilkinson" LOL):
"What are you resurrecting that old post of mine for? It's from last
month some time. You're like a dog who's just dug up an old bone they
hid in the garden until they were ready to have another go at it."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder's fitting description of Birdbrain Macaw:
"You are a well known fool, a tosser, a pillock, a stupid unemployable
sponging failure who will always live alone and will die alone. You will not
be missed."
MID:

--
Richard to pathetic ****** Hucker:
"You haven't bred?
Only useful thing you've done in your pathetic existence."
MID:

--
about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
""not the sharpest knife in the drawer"'s parents sure made a serious
mistake having him born alive -- A total waste of oxygen, food, space,
and bandwidth."
MID:

--
Mr Pounder exposing sociopathic Birdbrain:
"You will always be a lonely sociopath living in a ******** with no hot
running water with loads of stinking cats and a few parrots."
MID:

--
francis about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"He seems to have a reputation as someone of limited intelligence"
MID:

--
Peter Moylan about Birdbrain (now "James Wilkinson" LOL):
"If people like JWS didn't exist, we would have to find some other way to
explain the concept of "invincible ignorance"."
MID:

On Friday, March 16, 2018 at 10:59:30 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/16/2018 10:40 AM, dpb wrote:
On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.Â* So what?Â* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.Â* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate.Â* Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

Engineering is not just the design of the finished unit, it also
includes proper procedure for construction and installation. Unless a
couple of pages of the assembly instructions were missing, it is still a
design flaw.

That's not true. A design flaw is something that was wrong in the
design, the drawings, the specifications that showed how it was to be
built. I could provide perfectly a perfectly sound desing for anything,
give it to the customer and they could then hire a contractor that
screws it all up. Or that deliberately skipped steps to save money.
Usually in a project like this the company that designed it would also
be involved in monitoring the construction, but until there is an
investigation, there is no way to place the blame.



USA Today article states experts say it was vulnerable to collapse until
completed. While that may be true, it does not sound very smart over a
highway.



I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it?Â* Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.

--
Not complete. Scheduled to be complete in 2019. It was just erected in
6 hours last Saturday.

That doesn't sound right either. It was a concrete structure that they
first built on the side, then later moved over the highway. You don't
do that in 6 hours.




The concepts of fabricating off site is a good one that has worked for
many projects but evidently, it was poorly executed here.

From what I saw it was being fabricated at the site, just not in it's
final position.

On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:40:16 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.* So what?* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate. Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it? Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.
It was not open to pedestrian traffic from what was reported this
morning. It was not due to be opened until sometime mid-2019.

It had been raised into place within the last 6 days or so after
having been assembled alongside the highway.

My bet is on the contractor taking a shortcut not authorized by the
engineers - similar to what happened with a previous bridge failure in
Voirginia with the same contractor - and a "temporary bridge" at a
construction site which failed causing the death of at least one
worker.

This contractor should not be building bridges!!!

Oren posted for all of us...



On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 10:59:24 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 3/16/2018 10:40 AM, dpb wrote:
On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet.* So what?* It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way.* Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate.* Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

Engineering is not just the design of the finished unit, it also
includes proper procedure for construction and installation. Unless a
couple of pages of the assembly instructions were missing, it is still a
design flaw.

USA Today article states experts say it was vulnerable to collapse until
completed. While that may be true, it does not sound very smart over a
highway.



I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it?* Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.

--
Not complete. Scheduled to be complete in 2019. It was just erected in
6 hours last Saturday.

The concepts of fabricating off site is a good one that has worked for
many projects but evidently, it was poorly executed here.

_Companies behind Florida bridge collapse have history of fines,
failures, lawsuits_

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018/03/16/companies-behind-florida-bridge-collapse-have-history-fines-failures-lawsuits.html

"The two firms responsible for building Florida International
University?s "instant bridge," which suddenly collapsed Thursday and
left six people dead, are coming under increased scrutiny as details
emerge of past engineering failures and inspection fines -- including
a recent accusation that one hired ?unskilled? and ?careless?
workers."

My analysis of what I have seen on the news: This appeared to be built
alongside the highway and swung over the highway on a pivot and placed on
the saddles. It also appeared to me to be a post tensioned structure and
from the reports a snap or boom was heard just before collapse. If they were
in the process of doing this then nobody should have been under that
structure at that time. Nobody should have been on the structure.

Let them investigate and the lawsuits will be filed. I feel glad that the
first responders were not harmed as it is extremely unstable at this point.

My condolences to the victims and relatives.

The PA Turnpike is replacing many bridges and the turnpike is shut down
during the lift and placement for this very reason.

--
Tekkie

On 3/16/2018 2:02 PM, Frank wrote:
On 3/16/2018 1:06 PM, Sue Yerasses wrote:
On 03/16/2018 10:54 AM, James Wilkinson Sword wrote:

Maybe if America spent more on engineers and less on lawyers you could achieve buildings that stay up.

Sadly, it's the fear of litigation that keeps engineers somewhat honest.


I'm not so sure about our current crop of engineers.* I had a retired classmate retire as a civil engineer and teach part time in a community college.* They would not let him flunk anybody and he quit.* Another friend was a state highway department
engineer who retired but was retained as a consultant.* It appears younger engineers were not cutting it.* A lot of politicization appears to be involved even in engineering not to mention science.

Yah, you're right.

If the bridge collapsed under it's own weight it never would have stood up to a few hundred students having a party on the thing.

On 03/16/2018 08:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/15/2018 10:55 PM, rbowman wrote:
On 03/15/2018 05:14 PM, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 15 Mar 2018 16:39:22 -0400, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered. It was installed in six
hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout


One report states the bridge was built offsite and moved into
position.

Somebody screwed the pooch when erecting it.


The report I read said it was a technique developed at FIU. They
showed us freshmen engineering students a video of the Tacoma Narrows
bridge collapse to show us how not to do things. The FIU student will
have a close up and personal example to draw on.

That's what happens when your engineers spent their childhood building
bridges from Legos.

It was also stated it was not complete yet. So what? It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way. Poor engineering.

FIGG is building one in East Chicago too. I'd stay out of that area. I'm
not sure it's FIGG's problem though. Munilla Construction has a record
of fails but they're also heavily connected to the Cubans running south
Florida including Gimenez.

On 03/16/2018 02:04 PM, Clare Snyder wrote:
On Fri, 16 Mar 2018 09:40:16 -0500, dpb wrote:

On 3/16/2018 9:05 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
...

It was also stated it was not complete yet. So what? It should have
been properly secured and supported along the way. Poor engineering.

Not necessarily the engineering if it was, indeed, construction; the
design may have been perfectly adequate. Where, precisely, the blame
belongs is at this point indeterminate and jumping to any conclusions
premature.

I've even heard both reported that it had been opened for pedestrian
traffic which would imply completion and that it was still
incomplete--so which was it? Clearly the newsfolk don't have all their
"facts" straight yet (as if they ever do) before rush to pontificate.
It was not open to pedestrian traffic from what was reported this
morning. It was not due to be opened until sometime mid-2019.

It had been raised into place within the last 6 days or so after
having been assembled alongside the highway.

My bet is on the contractor taking a shortcut not authorized by the
engineers - similar to what happened with a previous bridge failure in
Voirginia with the same contractor - and a "temporary bridge" at a
construction site which failed causing the death of at least one
worker.

This contractor should not be building bridges!!!


The Munilla brothers have deep pockets when it comes to financing the
local politicians. Of course they're going to get the contract whether
they can perform or not.

On 3/15/18 3:39 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
Just saw this, at least 6 killed.

You have to wonder how it was engineered.Â* It was installed in six hours!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/si...id=mailsignout


An engineer spotted a crack in it a couple days before the collapse.
https://www.abcactionnews.com/news/state/fdot-warned-about-fiu-bridge-cracking-2-days-before-fatal-collapse-but-didnt-hear-voicemail