minji battery jumpers, how so much power from such a little box and
wires?

After many dead cars batteries and many months begging passersby for a
jump, I finally got Battery Buddy. The first one lasted about 17 years
in 3 cars until it failed me, and the second one 2 or 3 years. The
second one came in a plain brown box and I only bought it because I
couldn't find the manufacturer anymore. I think it was one of a bad
batch that was piled in the corner of the factory and sold by the
referee in bankruptcy (assuming they went bankrupt.) But it did work for
2 or 3 years.

Then I found Priority Start, which is much more expensive but which
worked fine for 7 years, differently but fine.

Then I got my second Solara and even though it fit pretty darn well in
the first Solara, it won't fit at all well in this one.

So tonight I'm talking to my friend on the phone, from the car, and it's
cold out but warm enough in the car, so the car's not running, and I'm
bragging to her about the new cigarette socket that lets me charge the
phone when the car isn't running. And I tell her the usb charger uses
so little, I can probably charge the phone for 36 hours without running
down the battery.

After 70 minutes, we get off the phone, and the car won't start!

Very weak battery.

I put the hood up and the guy salting the parking lot in his truck sees
me and comes over. I have cables but he has the smallest little thing
already in his hands. I can't beleive it, but his toy starts the car.
By Matco, but I didn't get the model. And nothing on the Matco webpage
looks like what he had, plus the search function doesn't find things
that google found on the same page. So even though it's by Matco, it
looks more like this, [footnote 1 but not needed anymore]. Although
this is only $50 and the ones Matco sells list at 196 and 254 dollars.

The one he had was only a little bigger than 2 decks of cards and the
wire to the battery clamps was little thicker than lamp cord, maybe as
thick as the new thick lamp cord. And the clamps were like something a
midget would use to start his car. And the box, the main part, was red
with a series of short blue illuminated lines, one above the other, on
one face.

Has anyone seen one of these? I can't find it on the web. Found it***.

The matco website pictures only show the main thing, not the wires or
clamps (Amazon shows so much more, which is why it is so successful.)

Even the smallest one by Matco says "300 cranking amps/ 400 peak amps"
https://www.matcotools.com/catalog/p...ARTER-CHARGER/
How can it possibly have 300 amps when the wires are so small and the
battery is so small?.

He said it wouldn't start a truck but would start a "little car" like
mine, a Toyota Camry Solara, I presume it only started mine because the
battery still had enough to light up the dash and the domelight a
little. Or are they batter than that?


***Here it is, Verapower. I only found it by looking at Google Images
of Matco Jump Starter
http://www.techshopmag.com/matco-int...-jump-starter/
This page says "The Versapower is now available exclusively from Matco
Tools. To locate a distributor in your area or for more information on
the product line, call 1-866-289-8665 or visit www.matcotools.com. " but
when I got to matcotools.com and search for Versapower, it says Not
Found.

Or https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/p...jump-starters/
As this page says "These things [the original ones], basically a car
battery in a plastic casing, weigh a ton and are too big for easy
storage in most cars. And you need to lug them out every few months and
plug them into a wall outlet." So true

It says the first of these PowerAll PBJS12000R is for sale at
Walmart $69.06
Overstock.com $81.00
B&H Photo-Video $77.90

The second was almost 200 and the third was Versapower, what the guy
had, for $190, though, AGAIN, the link is no good. Maybe I should just
buy the cheap one, but no consumer ratings yet.


Also available
https://www.amazon.com/Aickar-Starte...y+jumper&psc=1
4.4 stars 264 reviews, 49 answered questions.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J0RXAV4...881DGfko00d9jA
4.1 stars, not many ratings.

And more in the Compare to similar items rows.

Do these seem worth while? How can you get 300 or 500 amps out of a
little battery? How much does it really take to start a car when it has
a battery in it, that probably puts out a little? (apparently the
better model adn maybe t his one will charge the car's battery for 30
seconds if need be.)


1)

https://www.amazon.com/Aickar-Starte...y+jumper&psc=1

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 10:06:28 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:


They are lithium ion battery packs. Like any battery, they have a rated amp hour capacity. A modern car starter is about 1.2kw and you need to power it for just a couple seconds.

In alt.home.repair, on Mon, 8 Jan 2018 21:16:14 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote:

On Monday, January 8, 2018 at 10:06:28 PM UTC-5, micky wrote:


They are lithium ion battery packs. Like any battery, they have a rated amp hour capacity. A modern car starter is about 1.2kw and you need to power it for just a couple seconds.

So these seem like a pretty good idea. They can start the car, charge
the phone, power the laptop, have a flashlight. Even if they only do
some of these things.

Interestingly, one of them was 70 or 79 on Amazon, but when I put it in
the cart, it had a 20 dollar discount if you finished buying it within
15 minutes. I've never seen that before.

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:39:44 -0500, micky
wrote in

Interestingly, one of them was 70 or 79 on Amazon, but when I put it in
the cart, it had a 20 dollar discount if you finished buying it within
15 minutes. I've never seen that before.

So did you buy it? If so, let us know about it after you get it.
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On Mon, 08 Jan 2018 22:06:20 -0500, micky
wrote:

minji battery jumpers, how so much power from such a little box and
wires?

After many dead cars batteries and many months begging passersby for a
jump, I finally got Battery Buddy. The first one lasted about 17 years
in 3 cars until it failed me, and the second one 2 or 3 years. The
second one came in a plain brown box and I only bought it because I
couldn't find the manufacturer anymore. I think it was one of a bad
batch that was piled in the corner of the factory and sold by the
referee in bankruptcy (assuming they went bankrupt.) But it did work for
2 or 3 years.

Then I found Priority Start, which is much more expensive but which
worked fine for 7 years, differently but fine.

Then I got my second Solara and even though it fit pretty darn well in
the first Solara, it won't fit at all well in this one.

So tonight I'm talking to my friend on the phone, from the car, and it's
cold out but warm enough in the car, so the car's not running, and I'm
bragging to her about the new cigarette socket that lets me charge the
phone when the car isn't running. And I tell her the usb charger uses
so little, I can probably charge the phone for 36 hours without running
down the battery.

After 70 minutes, we get off the phone, and the car won't start!

Very weak battery.

I put the hood up and the guy salting the parking lot in his truck sees
me and comes over. I have cables but he has the smallest little thing
already in his hands. I can't beleive it, but his toy starts the car.
By Matco, but I didn't get the model. And nothing on the Matco webpage
looks like what he had, plus the search function doesn't find things
that google found on the same page. So even though it's by Matco, it
looks more like this, [footnote 1 but not needed anymore]. Although
this is only $50 and the ones Matco sells list at 196 and 254 dollars.

The one he had was only a little bigger than 2 decks of cards and the
wire to the battery clamps was little thicker than lamp cord, maybe as
thick as the new thick lamp cord. And the clamps were like something a
midget would use to start his car. And the box, the main part, was red
with a series of short blue illuminated lines, one above the other, on
one face.

Has anyone seen one of these? I can't find it on the web. Found it***.

The matco website pictures only show the main thing, not the wires or
clamps (Amazon shows so much more, which is why it is so successful.)

Even the smallest one by Matco says "300 cranking amps/ 400 peak amps"
https://www.matcotools.com/catalog/p...ARTER-CHARGER/
How can it possibly have 300 amps when the wires are so small and the
battery is so small?.

He said it wouldn't start a truck but would start a "little car" like
mine, a Toyota Camry Solara, I presume it only started mine because the
battery still had enough to light up the dash and the domelight a
little. Or are they batter than that?


***Here it is, Verapower. I only found it by looking at Google Images
of Matco Jump Starter
http://www.techshopmag.com/matco-int...-jump-starter/
This page says "The Versapower is now available exclusively from Matco
Tools. To locate a distributor in your area or for more information on
the product line, call 1-866-289-8665 or visit www.matcotools.com. " but
when I got to matcotools.com and search for Versapower, it says Not
Found.

Or https://www.cnet.com/roadshow/news/p...jump-starters/
As this page says "These things [the original ones], basically a car
battery in a plastic casing, weigh a ton and are too big for easy
storage in most cars. And you need to lug them out every few months and
plug them into a wall outlet." So true

It says the first of these PowerAll PBJS12000R is for sale at
Walmart $69.06
Overstock.com $81.00
B&H Photo-Video $77.90

The second was almost 200 and the third was Versapower, what the guy
had, for $190, though, AGAIN, the link is no good. Maybe I should just
buy the cheap one, but no consumer ratings yet.


Also available
https://www.amazon.com/Aickar-Starte...y+jumper&psc=1
4.4 stars 264 reviews, 49 answered questions.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J0RXAV4...881DGfko00d9jA
4.1 stars, not many ratings.

And more in the Compare to similar items rows.

Do these seem worth while? How can you get 300 or 500 amps out of a
little battery? How much does it really take to start a car when it has
a battery in it, that probably puts out a little? (apparently the
better model adn maybe t his one will charge the car's battery for 30
seconds if need be.)


1)

https://www.amazon.com/Aickar-Starte...y+jumper&psc=1

The new tiny ones run on lithium ion batteries - very high energy
density. They make units the size of a dictionary that will start a
deisel pickup

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:23:44 -0600, CRNG
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:39:44 -0500, micky
wrote in

Interestingly, one of them was 70 or 79 on Amazon, but when I put it in
the cart, it had a 20 dollar discount if you finished buying it within
15 minutes. I've never seen that before.

So did you buy it? If so, let us know about it after you get it.


I have onr - calkled a "volt reactor VR-JP08 for vehicles 5.4 liters
and above - fromAvtek electronics. After sitting for a year it still
has about 70% charge - just threw it back on the charger.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 09 Jan 2018 08:23:44 -0600, CRNG
wrote:

On Tue, 09 Jan 2018 00:39:44 -0500, micky
wrote in

Interestingly, one of them was 70 or 79 on Amazon, but when I put it in
the cart, it had a 20 dollar discount if you finished buying it within
15 minutes. I've never seen that before.

So did you buy it? If so, let us know about it after you get it.

I'm going to try to squeeze my old Priority Start into the new car.
When that was working, I never needed a jump.

But when it's 10^F out, it's hard to think about working on the car.
Probably in the spring. If I ever do buy the thing I posted about,
I'll let you know.

In alt.home.repair, on Tue, 09 Jan 2018 14:14:27 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote:


The new tiny ones run on lithium ion batteries - very high energy
density. They make units the size of a dictionary that will start a
deisel pickup

Amazing, so they really work. I may get one eventually.

On 01/08/2018 10:06 PM, micky wrote:
Do these seem worth while? How can you get 300 or 500 amps out of a
little battery? How much does it really take to start a car when it has
a battery in it, that probably puts out a little? (apparently the
better model adn maybe t his one will charge the car's battery for 30
seconds if need be.)

For the same money you could just replace your car's weak battery with a new one from a bigboxstore.