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I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? -- Tekkie |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? It depends on where you are. If you are in a blue (union) state, that is probably about right. About the protector, grounding and bonding with the other things coming in (phone, cable, sat) is more important than the unit itself |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Can you ask for & provide us with a more-detailed quote ? eg how many feet of underground ? entrance cable : : material ? : labour ? ,, complicated excavation ? Way too many unknowns to judge the quote. John T. |
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Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? It depends on where you are. If you are in a blue (union) state, that is probably about right. Really ? How does that work in your blue states ? It's the opposite in my world - residential service upgrades are the bread & butter of small electrical contractors - never unionized. The unionized trades are working on the commercial & industrial jobs and for the utilities. John T. |
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On 12/5/2017 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. Your instincts are correct.Â* I had meter base, service entrance cable and a new 200A Siemens panel with generator inlet installed for $1800.Â* The permit and inspection was $150 additional. |
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On 12/5/2017 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Had mine done 11 years ago for $725 but that included a transfer panel for my generator. I would think cost would be double by now but nowhere near as high as yours. |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:37:44 -0600, Vic Smith
wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:10:51 -0500, wrote: Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? It depends on where you are. If you are in a blue (union) state, that is probably about right. Really ? How does that work in your blue states ? It's the opposite in my world - residential service upgrades are the bread & butter of small electrical contractors - never unionized. The unionized trades are working on the commercial & industrial jobs and for the utilities. John T. I'm in a "blue" state. Illinois. Blue county too. Cook. Same as Chicago. When I lived in Chicago, I had my service replaced. It was not a union electrical company. It was about $500, but that was in '84 or '85. It was 100 amp. I live just outside Chicago now, and I had the service replaced. Again non-union. I paid $1200 for a 100 amp service, plus a 220v run for new central air. And a new pipe through the roof. But that was in 1998. Check around for young hungry guys. In the 90s you could get a service upgrade in SW Fla for that kind of money but with all of the new code rules, that price is a lot higher and there are plenty of places with higher labor rates, union or not. |
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On 12/5/2017 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? May be a bit high but it also depends on how much incoming cable is needed. The price of cable went wa up a few years back. The upgrade surge protection seems steep from what I've seen. I'd get another price. |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 20:15:09 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 12/5/2017 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? May be a bit high but it also depends on how much incoming cable is needed. The price of cable went wa up a few years back. The upgrade surge protection seems steep from what I've seen. I'd get another price. There is not going to be much "incoming wire". It just comes from the mast to the panel and it may be aluminum anyway. Those expensive protectors with the down stream insurance include the cost of that insurance. It may be more than the part itself. |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote:
I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Mabee a WEE bit on the high side - here in Ontario, in Canadian dollars it would be a deal. Not sure if the upgraded surge protection is worth an extra $300 - you don't know untill you get hit and it works - and even then you don't know if the smaller one would have done the job. Good choice on the QO though - but up here the "special" breakers -ie- 2 pole, arc fault etc. are HELLISHLY expensive up here compared to in the USA. I had a friend bring a few of them up for me - less than half price and they DO have the Canadian certification on them. |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 18:42:16 -0500, Willy wrote:
On 12/5/2017 4:27 PM, Tekkie® wrote: I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. Your instincts are correct.* I had meter base, service entrance cable and a new 200A Siemens panel with generator inlet installed for $1800.* The permit and inspection was $150 additional. BIG difference between a Seimens and a Square D QO - in both price and quality. |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 21:03:03 -0500, Clare Snyder
wrote: BIG difference between a Seimens and a Square D QO - in both price and quality. You can get a 42 circuit QO main breaker panel and a few breakers on a package for about $200 online but you might not get that at every electrical supplier. Just because a place caters to the trade, does not mean they are the cheapest place to shop. They do provide services to trades tho. |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 19:38:24 -0500, wrote:
On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:37:44 -0600, Vic Smith wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2017 17:10:51 -0500, wrote: Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? It depends on where you are. If you are in a blue (union) state, that is probably about right. Really ? How does that work in your blue states ? It's the opposite in my world - residential service upgrades are the bread & butter of small electrical contractors - never unionized. The unionized trades are working on the commercial & industrial jobs and for the utilities. John T. I'm in a "blue" state. Illinois. Blue county too. Cook. Same as Chicago. When I lived in Chicago, I had my service replaced. It was not a union electrical company. It was about $500, but that was in '84 or '85. It was 100 amp. I live just outside Chicago now, and I had the service replaced. Again non-union. I paid $1200 for a 100 amp service, plus a 220v run for new central air. And a new pipe through the roof. But that was in 1998. Check around for young hungry guys. In the 90s you could get a service upgrade in SW Fla for that kind of money but with all of the new code rules, that price is a lot higher and there are plenty of places with higher labor rates, union or not. Yeah, talking about 1998 prices sorta reminds me of a post from www.homeownershub.com. BTW, it was '78 not '84-85 when I got that $500 service, and the problem with getting a decent price in Chicago was because the electrical contractors and the city electrical inspectors were working together. They ended up indicting at least 1/3 of the electrical inspectors. It was just dumb luck I called guys whose dad was wearing a wire for the feds. Fifth Avenue Electric. 11 brothers and their dad. Dead honest. It was the time of the so-called "Mirage Scandal." It's in Wiki. |
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Clare Snyder posted for all of us...
On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote: I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Mabee a WEE bit on the high side - here in Ontario, in Canadian dollars it would be a deal. Not sure if the upgraded surge protection is worth an extra $300 - you don't know untill you get hit and it works - and even then you don't know if the smaller one would have done the job. Good choice on the QO though - but up here the "special" breakers -ie- 2 pole, arc fault etc. are HELLISHLY expensive up here compared to in the USA. I had a friend bring a few of them up for me - less than half price and they DO have the Canadian certification on them. I've read all the replies and *thanks* for them. No union for residential in Eastern PA. No underground. The entrance cable runs from the weather-head along the eave to the meter, I estimate 20 ft. A complication is the panel mounting. Presently it resides right above the soil pipe and my wife has stated she would like it lower because she is short and can't readily reach it. I am disabled and would never make it down the stairs except head first. I don't know of any GFCI/AFCI breakers in there now. I had a new outlet installed in the bedroom awhile ago and didn't ask at that time. The panel is full at this time and I have a sub panel which I believe is full. I don't have any issues other than the occasional-maybe every two weeks at most-flicker in the bathroom when either or both the oil burner and well pump come on. -- Tekkie |
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On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-5, Tekkie® wrote:
Clare Snyder posted for all of us... On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote: I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Mabee a WEE bit on the high side - here in Ontario, in Canadian dollars it would be a deal. Not sure if the upgraded surge protection is worth an extra $300 - you don't know untill you get hit and it works - and even then you don't know if the smaller one would have done the job. Good choice on the QO though - but up here the "special" breakers -ie- 2 pole, arc fault etc. are HELLISHLY expensive up here compared to in the USA. I had a friend bring a few of them up for me - less than half price and they DO have the Canadian certification on them. I've read all the replies and *thanks* for them. No union for residential in Eastern PA. No underground. The entrance cable runs from the weather-head along the eave to the meter, I estimate 20 ft. A complication is the panel mounting. Presently it resides right above the soil pipe and my wife has stated she would like it lower because she is short and can't readily reach it. I am disabled and would never make it down the stairs except head first. I don't know of any GFCI/AFCI breakers in there now. I had a new outlet installed in the bedroom awhile ago and didn't ask at that time. They will be required on the new panel, one or the other on most circuits, which adds to the cost. The panel is full at this time and I have a sub panel which I believe is full. I don't have any issues other than the occasional-maybe every two weeks at most-flicker in the bathroom when either or both the oil burner and well pump come on. -- Tekkie What's the purpose of the upgrade? |
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trader_4 posted for all of us...
On Wednesday, December 6, 2017 at 3:20:18 PM UTC-5, Tekkie® wrote: Clare Snyder posted for all of us... On Tue, 5 Dec 2017 16:27:10 -0500, Tekkie® wrote: I was quoted $3500 for 200A Square D service panel replacement which I think is on the high side. ELECTRICAL QUOTE 200A Service Upgrade Service Head Service entrance cable Meter base Square D type QO equipment 200 Amp main breaker panel 40 space max S.P. circuits Breakers as required Properly label panel 3/4" plywood panel board built out in front of soil pipes Good whole house surge protection GFI receptacle below panel Copper ground rods and conductors Proper ground to water service Intersystem bonding bridge Removal of old equipment Clean up Permit Inspection In their quote was a surge protector: PSPproducts.net PSP H1-75-04N 75kA Surge Capacity MOV Technology LED visual indicator NEMA 4X Indoor/Outdoor rated Lifetime Warranty $50,000 Down line Warranty Upgrade to... Best (+$300) PSP HC1C100-06-N 100kA Surge Capacity MOV & Gas tube technology Faster Response Time LED visual indicator and audible alarm NEMA 6 Indoor/Outdoor rated Multiple mounting options Lifetime Warranty $100,000 Down line Warranty Any thoughts on the quote and these protectors? Mabee a WEE bit on the high side - here in Ontario, in Canadian dollars it would be a deal. Not sure if the upgraded surge protection is worth an extra $300 - you don't know untill you get hit and it works - and even then you don't know if the smaller one would have done the job. Good choice on the QO though - but up here the "special" breakers -ie- 2 pole, arc fault etc. are HELLISHLY expensive up here compared to in the USA. I had a friend bring a few of them up for me - less than half price and they DO have the Canadian certification on them. I've read all the replies and *thanks* for them. No union for residential in Eastern PA. The electrician (who would not be doing the work) was here and I asked for his evaluation. I wanted to see the price. -- Tekkie |
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