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I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?

I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html

Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html

I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.

I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.
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I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?
I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html
Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html
I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.
I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html
I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.


My personal favorite would be the hydraulic one. It looks like that would be great to use. Back in the early 70's I replaced a lot of clutch plates in Toyotas without using a jack. Transmissions are probably a lot heavier now, not just because I'm old. Replacing a clutch plate back then required an allignment tool that I was able to borrow from the local Toyota dealer, but I knew most of the mechanics. I don't know if you still need one.

Working on a transmission with either one would be great, but have you checked with a parts store to see if they have one you can use, or rent? How often do you plan to use it?




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He who is Space Cadet said on Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:41:29 -0500:

My personal favorite would be the hydraulic one.
It looks like that would be great to use.


I like that one too, but I had never seen the scissor type so that's why I
asked.

Back in the early 70's I replaced a lot of clutch plates in Toyotas
without using a jack. Transmissions are probably a lot heavier now,
not just because I'm old.


I think the problem is the last half inch when putting it back ... you need
the transmission dead on or you'll break something expensive.

Replacing a clutch plate back then required
an allignment tool that I was able to borrow from the local Toyota
dealer, but I knew most of the mechanics. I don't know if you
still need one.


I've watched videos. They use an old cutoff transmission shaft to align
things, so I'll need to buy that tool too.

Working on a transmission with either one would be great,
but have you checked with a parts store to see if they have
one you can use, or rent? How often do you plan to use it?


I called all the local parts stores and rental shops.
Nobody rents it. All the parts stores sell them though.
But the HF ones above are on sale until the end of the month.
So that's why I ask for the advice.
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I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?

I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html

Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html

I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.

I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.

Definitely more than adequate. Not pro quality, but all of the
required features.
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harry wrote:
I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?
I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html
Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html
I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.
I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html
I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.


My personal favorite would be the hydraulic one. It looks like that would be great to use. Back in the early 70's I replaced a lot of clutch plates in Toyotas without using a jack. Transmissions are probably a lot heavier now, not just because I'm old. Replacing a clutch plate back then required an allignment tool that I was able to borrow from the local Toyota dealer, but I knew most of the mechanics. I don't know if you still need one.

Working on a transmission with either one would be great, but have you checked with a parts store to see if they have one you can use, or rent? How often do you plan to use it?



The cheap one does not have the tilt features The hydraulic one is
MUCH better for the job


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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 23:57:39 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
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He who is Space Cadet said on Fri, 27 Oct 2017 17:41:29 -0500:

My personal favorite would be the hydraulic one.
It looks like that would be great to use.


I like that one too, but I had never seen the scissor type so that's why I
asked.

Back in the early 70's I replaced a lot of clutch plates in Toyotas
without using a jack. Transmissions are probably a lot heavier now,
not just because I'm old.


I think the problem is the last half inch when putting it back ... you need
the transmission dead on or you'll break something expensive.

Replacing a clutch plate back then required
an allignment tool that I was able to borrow from the local Toyota
dealer, but I knew most of the mechanics. I don't know if you
still need one.


I've watched videos. They use an old cutoff transmission shaft to align
things, so I'll need to buy that tool too.

Working on a transmission with either one would be great,
but have you checked with a parts store to see if they have
one you can use, or rent? How often do you plan to use it?


I called all the local parts stores and rental shops.
Nobody rents it. All the parts stores sell them though.
But the HF ones above are on sale until the end of the month.
So that's why I ask for the advice.

Get their "universal clutch alignment tool" kit while you are at it
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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:52:57 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
wrote:

I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?

I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb...ion-jack-69685.
html

Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type
above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb...ion-jack-61232.
html

I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch
before. I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the
required tools.

I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four
6-ton jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I
can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission
jacks.

Definitely more than adequate. Not pro quality, but all of the
required features.


for a one time deal either one will do the job. KB
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He who is said on Fri, 27 Oct 2017 22:24:56 -0400:

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.

Definitely more than adequate. Not pro quality, but all of the
required features


Thanks. I'll pick up the hydraulic jack for $160 before the end of the
month sale goes off. It's cheap compared to the job itself.

I'm debating whether I should rebuild or replace the master cylinder and
slave clutch release cylinder.

Toyota prices are the following but I have no experience with rebuilding or
replacing them.
Master cylinder repair kit $30
Master cylinder $117
Slave cylinder repair kit $13
Slave cylinder $50

At those prices, which would you go for (rebuild or the whole thing)?

Here are the hydraulic parts:
https://partsfactory.camelbacktoyota.com/auto-parts/1997/toyota/4runner/base-trim/2-7l-l4-gas-engine/clutch-cat/hydraulic-system-scat


IMO, get the hydraulic trans jack. You will find it a lot easier to
adjust the height every few minutes while putting the trans back in.
The screw one does not appear to have angle adjustments.
You will need that. It is critical.
The trans weight will be around 115 lbs. More with the front drive box attached.
Don't bother trying to rebuild them yourself.
If they are pitted then the usual cylinder honing will not fix them and they
will leak. Get the already rebuilt cylinder kits, or new.

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On Fri, 27 Oct 2017 21:52:57 +0000 (UTC), harry newton
wrote:

I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?

I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb...ion-jack-69685.
html

Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type
above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb...ion-jack-61232.
html

I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch
before. I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the
required tools.

I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four
6-ton jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I
can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission
jacks.

Definitely more than adequate. Not pro quality, but all of the
required features.


for a one time deal either one will do the job. KB

If it does not have tilt capability the job will be a lot more
difficult - whether done once or a dozen times. The hydraulic one
definitely has the tilt features required.


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I'm debating whether I should rebuild or replace the master cylinder and
slave clutch release cylinder.

Toyota prices are the following but I have no experience with rebuilding or
replacing them.
Master cylinder repair kit $30
Master cylinder $117
Slave cylinder repair kit $13
Slave cylinder $50

At those prices, which would you go for (rebuild or the whole thing)?


Did you look for rebuilt ones? They would be priced in the middle and
are done under good conditions. Check you local parts store for
availability.

There are plenty of YouTube vids on how to rebuild them too.
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harry newton wrote:
I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?

I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html

Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html

I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.

I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html

I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.



Before you buy a jack for one time use, call the local parts stores that
have loan a tool programs. Many have trans jacks. Will cost you the
price of the jack but when you return it in the same shape you get your
money back.



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harry wrote:
I need to buy a transmission jack for a Tacoma clutch.
How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?
I this 800# jack (on sale until the end of the month) good enough?
https://www.harborfreight.com/800-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-69685.html
Does the 33% cheaper scissor-jack have any merit over the pan type above?
https://www.harborfreight.com/450-lb-low-lift-transmission-jack-61232.html
I'm going to replace the clutch, but I have never done a clutch before.
I'm familiar with most repairs though, and I have all the required tools.
I will work out of my garage, where I will put the vehicle on four 6-ton
jack stands (the garage floor is reasonably level) as high as I can get it.
https://www.harborfreight.com/6-ton-jack-stand-set-38847.html
I am just asking for advice comparing the two types of transmission jacks.


If you're going to get into working on Toyotas big time, check out this site that specializes in Toyota parts.

https://www.marlincrawler.com/


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He who is Albert Hodge said on Sat, 28 Oct 2017 03:53:09 -0500:

If you're going to get into working on Toyotas big time, check out this site that specializes in Toyota parts.

https://www.marlincrawler.com/


Thanks for the pointer to that toyota transmission specialist's site.
Marlin Crawler seems like it has almost everything needed for transmissions
(except the rebuild repair kits for the master & slave cylinders).

The prices are far better than my local Toyota dealership, but about the
same as the prices at Camelback Toyota, which usually has the best prices.

But they do seem to know transmissions well, and that means they're
probably better (by far) than any Toyota dealership (whose parts guys, in
my opinion, are almost useless, if not useless, for useful knowledge).

They do seem to carry almost everything needed for a transmission job,
starting with the entire W59 transmission at $1,250 shipped:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/transmission/rebuilt-complete/w59
which was one of the high prices for the repair as quoted by the local
AAMCO over the phone (low price being in the $700 range).

I don't see a transmission jack but they do sell a plastic "21-spline
clutch disc alignment tool" for $5:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/hardware-tools/tools/clutch-disc-alignment-tool

They say the stock clutch is 900 ft-pounds but what they sell for $300 is a
1200 ft-pound clutch kit, where they say it includes
* 1,200 ft-lb Pressure Plate (which is $95 at Toyota for the 900ft-lb)
* Heavy Duty Metallic Clutch Disc (which is $75 at Toytoa for OEM)
* Japanese Release Bearing (which is $55 at Toyota for OEM)
* Pilot Bearing (which is $7 at Toyota for OEM)
* Alignment Tool
https://www.marlincrawler.com/clutch/heavy-duty/clutch-tacoma/1995-04-4cyl-1200-lb-clutch-kit

The prices are comparable to and slightly lower than Camelback Toyota parts
of $117 and $50 for the clutch master and slave cylinders respectively (and
half the price of the local Toyota stealership at $225 & $95 respectively).

For example, the OEM ASCO (Aisin Seiki CO) clutch master cylinder is $100:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/hydraulics/clutch-master-cylinder-1996-2000-4runner

And the OEM ASCO (Aisin Seiki COmpany) slave cylinder is $50:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/hydraulics/clutch-slave-cylinder-1996-2004-4cyl

The release (aka throwout) bearing is the same price at $50:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/clutch/release-pilot/release-bearing-1996-04-4cyl

The rubber shield pilot bearing is the same at $6 (rubber versus metal):
https://www.marlincrawler.com/clutch/release-pilot/pilot-bearing

And they sell a very strange to me Redline gear oil that doesn't have
GL4/GL5 designations, so I'd suspect it - but the site says it's fine:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/hardware-tools/chemicals/red-line-heavy-shockproof-synthetic-gear-oil


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On 10/28/2017 5:20 AM, harry newton wrote:
He who is Albert Hodge said on Sat, 28 Oct 2017 03:53:09 -0500:

If you're going to get into working on Toyotas big time, check out
this site that specializes in Toyota parts.

https://www.marlincrawler.com/


Thanks for the pointer to that toyota transmission specialist's site.
Marlin Crawler seems like it has almost everything needed for
transmissions
(except the rebuild repair kits for the master & slave cylinders).



And they sell a very strange to me Redline gear oil that doesn't have
GL4/GL5 designations, so I'd suspect it - but the site says it's fine:
https://www.marlincrawler.com/hardware-tools/chemicals/red-line-heavy-shockproof-synthetic-gear-oil


* Redline shockproof is considered to be top drawer by the Harley crowd
.. The only caution I'd issue is be sure it's compatible with the brass
(if Toyota uses brass) synchro rings . Harley's don't , so the GL
designation is moot to us .

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+AKA- Redline shockproof is considered to be top drawer by the Harley crowd
. The only caution I'd issue is be sure it's compatible with the brass
(if Toyota uses brass) synchro rings . Harley's don't , so the GL
designation is moot to us .


Thanks for that information because what always matters most, is whether
the stuff works and not so much the theoretical implications.

I'm looking this up now, where it seems that the entire GL-4 and GL-5 spec
really has *nothing* to do with transmissions, but with gears alone.

As you noted, apparently the GL-5 is for the hypoid gears, where the
compounds added are considered by many to be damaging to the yellow metal
that is in transmissions.

My Toyota owners manual says GL-4 or GL-5 75W90 (which is about the weight
of a 30-weight motor oil, give or take, according to what I read, and
depending on the temperature for the first five minutes of operation).

I'm confused by all this data, but Redline is a respected company based on
*all* the hits I found googling (in that nobody deprecates Redline).

So maybe this lack of a GL-4/GL-5 spec is sort of like the "blue" brake
fluid, which can't get a DOT designation because it's not "amber" color but
it exceeds the DOT specs?

Do you think that's the case with that oddball non-GL Redline fluid?
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harry newton wrote:

How heavy is a W59 Toyota Tacoma transmission anyway?


Don't know. But I did a clutch job on my FJ40. I'd estimate the tranny and
transfer to weigh about 250 lbs. I can lift them if they are lying on the
ground, but not to position them for reinstallation.

I took the floor panel off (over the transmission), opened both doors, ran a
beam through the doors and hung a chain hoist from it. I don't know if a
Tacoma has such a floor panel.

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On 10/28/2017 07:36 AM, harry newton wrote:
Do you think it will harm anything to flush with DOT4 until I can get DOT3
in there until I buy and receive the parts to replace or rebuild the master
and slave cylinders?


3, 4, and 5.1 are compatible. To confuse the issue DOT 5 is silicone
based and not compatible with any of the others. Mixing them won't work.
At best they'll separate out.

The progression mostly comes down to higher boiling points. Disc brakes
have less thermal mass than the older drum brakes and can get hotter in
operation. ABS adds a few more factors.

I have DOT 5 in my '98 Harley. It's claims to fame are it doesn't absorb
water and doesn't harm paint. It does absorb air and is a bitch to
bleed. I don't know how widespread it is. It doesn't work with ABS and
I've never had a car with it, just the bike.

Since you'll be replacing the seals I'd just flush with 4 and fill it
with 4 when you're done. It's a little more expensive but nothing that
will break the bank.


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He who is Terry Coombs said on Sat, 28 Oct 2017 06:47:20 -0500:

+AKA- Redline shockproof is considered to be top drawer by the Harley crowd
. The only caution I'd issue is be sure it's compatible with the brass
(if Toyota uses brass) synchro rings . Harley's don't , so the GL
designation is moot to us .


Thanks for that information because what always matters most, is whether
the stuff works and not so much the theoretical implications.

I'm looking this up now, where it seems that the entire GL-4 and GL-5 spec
really has *nothing* to do with transmissions, but with gears alone.




As you noted, apparently the GL-5 is for the hypoid gears, where the
compounds added are considered by many to be damaging to the yellow metal
that is in transmissions.


Not just "considered by many" but "proven"

My Toyota owners manual says GL-4 or GL-5 75W90 (which is about the weight
of a 30-weight motor oil, give or take, according to what I read, and
depending on the temperature for the first five minutes of operation).


If your manual says GL4 or GL% the trans uses carbon fiber syncro
rings, not yellow prass. You can then use what you like. My Ranger has
a Toyo Kogyo (Mazda) trans that specifies Mercon or Dexron II fluid -
and Mercon V makes it shift like CRAP - For a short time Ford had said
to use MerconV in all their transmissions formerly using Mercon - but
not long after recinded that for the M50D.
I'm confused by all this data, but Redline is a respected company based on
*all* the hits I found googling (in that nobody deprecates Redline).

So maybe this lack of a GL-4/GL-5 spec is sort of like the "blue" brake
fluid, which can't get a DOT designation because it's not "amber" color but
it exceeds the DOT specs?

Do you think that's the case with that oddball non-GL Redline fluid?


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