I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still drip
through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber liner
sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes is
$4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price somewhere
or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent mess.
Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips but I'm
not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There is one spot
where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the way down the
steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are all enclosed on
three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

Thin plywood or a layer of tongue & groove wood flooring is another
option but that sounds inexpensive. I'd need to caulk the plywood or
find tongue & groove edges & get marine grade.


Here's a diagram of the 20' x 8' deck:


garden

5' 10' 5'
___ ___
| |__||| | 3'
| |
|____________| 5'
20'

house


Paul Furman wrote:

I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still drip
through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber liner
sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes is
$4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price somewhere
or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent mess.
Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips but I'm
not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There is one spot
where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the way down the
steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are all enclosed on
three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

You could kill the moss and mold with bleach and run corrigated
roofing under the deck for waterproofing.

Ah that recent post reminds me tar paper felt might be another thing to
use under the carpet but I don't know how to seal the seams. At least
the staples/tacks would self seal their holes and it wouldn't be
slippery between the layers like plastic sheeting.

Paul Furman wrote:
Thin plywood or a layer of tongue & groove wood flooring is another
option but that sounds inexpensive. I'd need to caulk the plywood or
find tongue & groove edges & get marine grade.


Here's a diagram of the 20' x 8' deck:


garden

5' 10' 5'
___ ___
| |__||| | 3'
| |
|____________| 5'
20'

house


Paul Furman wrote:

I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still
drip through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber
liner sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes
is $4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price
somewhere or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent
mess. Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips
but I'm not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There
is one spot where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the
way down the steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are
all enclosed on three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

I actually tried corrugated roofing but the vines grew up into the gap
with spiders & blech plus the headroom is very limited. I can scrub the
deck a couple times per winter & it's not too bad.

mark Ransley wrote:
You could kill the moss and mold with bleach and run corrigated
roofing under the deck for waterproofing.

I would guess putting a "roof" under the deck will increase mold,
mildew, and rot. The moss can be cleaned off with a TSP/bleach
solution. If the deck has not been cleaned in a few years, you may
need to clean it twice. Increase sunlight to your deck by trimming
branches or take down a tree or two.

On Fri, 05 Dec 2003 11:43:56 -0800, Paul Furman
wrote:

I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still drip
through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber liner
sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes is
$4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price somewhere
or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent mess.
Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips but I'm
not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There is one spot
where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the way down the
steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are all enclosed on
three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

"Paul Furman" wrote in message
...
I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still drip
through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber liner
sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes is
$4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price somewhere
or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent mess.
Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips but I'm
not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There is one spot
where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the way down the
steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are all enclosed on
three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

Improving the traction is easy, clean the deck. Then before you stain or
water proof again add some silica sand or glass beads into the paint or
stain. Or if you want to spray it. Spray, sprinkle the sand and spray
lightly again. Did this on my dads deck in Iowa. Unless there was ice no
footing problems. I used a roller and mixed the sand on each roller pan
full. It was a pain but I did not have my tools with me at the time.

I'm just an innocent bystander, but it would seem to me that laying down
redneck grass no matter how would simply invite a ton of moisture
between the wood and turf. Unless maybe you used felt roofing paper --
but to me, that would also seem to invite rot and mold from moisture,
humidity, etc and etc from beneath the deck.

Besides, ever see what happens to fake turf when you get a mess of dirt,
leaves, spilled food and drink, etc. on it over a few years? Ugh. Not
pretty.

Like someone else pointed out, if it's traction you want, add sand to
some sealer/paint. Or if you only need better traction in small areas,
there are stick-on thingamajigs that people most often use on wooden
stairs. Not pretty, but more attractive than redneck grass.

I'm curious as to what you mean by "rainproofing under the deck." What
exactly do you want to accomplish and why do you feel the need to do
this?

AJS


In article ,
Paul Furman wrote:

I know it's a total redneck solution but I want to rainproof under the
deck and improve traction on the shady mossy slippery surface on the
deck. There is no frost here... mild climate.

If I use 6 mil black plastic liner and a staple gun will that work? I
guess I'd tape the seams of the plastic liner but maybe it'd still drip
through the staple holes. Doesn't need to be perfect. Rubber liner
sounds expensive. Actually the nicer quality fake lawn at Lowes is
$4.46/SF & would cost $700 but maybe I can find a better price somewhere
or it's just a stupid idea I should forget.

Outdoor carpeting for boats is applied with double sided tape or glue
but that won't work with the liner below and would be a permanent mess.
Normal carpet is applied with those deadly looking spiky strips but I'm
not sure that works with this thinner fake lawn stuff. There is one spot
where it needs to be flush at the steps or run it all the way down the
steps too. That might encourage rot since the treads are all enclosed on
three sides.

This only needs to last 5-10 years and we'll remodel & tear down the
deck. Plastic "linoleum" doesn't sound suitable outdoors, too slippery?

I just want to be able to store things under the deck without the drip
drip drip. It'll all be ripped out in 5-10 years.

AJScott wrote:

I'm curious as to what you mean by "rainproofing under the deck." What
exactly do you want to accomplish and why do you feel the need to do
this?

Well, if all you want to do is eliminate the drip drip drip and you
wanted to do it really cheap, you could simply staple the thickest-mil
plastic sheeting you could find to the underside of the deck. That's
what the rednecks I actually used to live with did, and it seemed to
keep their hound dogs pretty dry. Just make sure you staple an extra
sheet over where seam edges meet to further contain any drip drip.

However, funny thing about those "going to ripped out in 5-10 years"
jobs. If you're not careful, they have an odd habit of stretching into
the 12th of Never and you just end up being the neighborhood redneck and
have everyone laughing at you behind their back. Just like at my mom's
house. Ugh.

AJS



In article ,
Paul Furman wrote:

I just want to be able to store things under the deck without the drip
drip drip. It'll all be ripped out in 5-10 years.

AJScott wrote:

I'm curious as to what you mean by "rainproofing under the deck." What
exactly do you want to accomplish and why do you feel the need to do
this?

AJScott wrote:
Well, if all you want to do is eliminate the drip drip drip and you
wanted to do it really cheap, you could simply staple the thickest-mil
plastic sheeting you could find to the underside of the deck. That's
what the rednecks I actually used to live with did, and it seemed to
keep their hound dogs pretty dry. Just make sure you staple an extra
sheet over where seam edges meet to further contain any drip drip.

The rednecks I know don't shelter the dogs - they tie them to trees. As
for waterproofing under the deck, it's easy. Nail some tapered shims to
the underside, widest end where the water should go. Get heavy duty
plastic, staple to bottom edge of shim. Should last 5 years easily
without sun exposure. Scrub the deck with mild bleach solution when the
weathe dries, let wood dry well, put a good sealer on it. Trim trees
so's it gets some sun, if that is the problem.


However, funny thing about those "going to ripped out in 5-10 years"
jobs. If you're not careful, they have an odd habit of stretching into
the 12th of Never and you just end up being the neighborhood redneck and
have everyone laughing at you behind their back. Just like at my mom's
house. Ugh.

AJS



In article ,
Paul Furman wrote:


I just want to be able to store things under the deck without the drip
drip drip. It'll all be ripped out in 5-10 years.

AJScott wrote:

I'm curious as to what you mean by "rainproofing under the deck." What
exactly do you want to accomplish and why do you feel the need to do
this?