Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be done!

Michael Roback wrote:

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be done!

Are you sure you got a "cabinet maker/finish carpenter"? Sounds more
like a framer.

"Michael Roback" wrote in message
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Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot
nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity
of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in
the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for
the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big
deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be
done!

You were dealing with a butcher after the fast buck. Be sure to show friends
and visitors and let them know who did it.
Joe Arnold

You got stung!
Send the guy back to making orange crates!
Seamus J. Wilson
"Michael Roback" wrote in message
.net...

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot
nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity
of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in
the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for
the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big
deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be
done!

"Michael Roback" wrote in message
.net...

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot
nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity
of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in
the

Your "cabinet hanger" was totally incompetent. Even the most inexperienced
real carpenter would be able to hang cabinets by putting holes only where
the studs are, even without a stud finder. A stud finder is very handy,
but I reliably found studs for many years through a combination of measuring
and tapping on the wall.

"Michael Roback" wrote in message
Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud.


The guy is a hack. I'm not a pro, but I have hung cabinets. Every stud was
marked. I missed one screw when I went off a bit. . Stud finders are not
perfect, but they do work. So does measuring 16" from a know stud. Again,
not perfect, but 90%+ accurate.

As for the integrity of the cabinets, I don't think all that much was taken
out to weaken them enough to be concerned. It sure looks like hell though.

Please let him use you as a reference so you can tell others of his work.

Ed

http://pages.cthome.net/edhome

And you PAID this guy?

Never pay in full until you've had enough time to thoroughly inspect the job.

Jeff


--

Jeff Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)

"If you can smile when things are going wrong, you've thought of someone to
blame it on."



Michael Roback wrote:

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud.

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"Michael Roback" wrote in message
.net...

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot
nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity
of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in
the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for
the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big
deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be
done!




all studs are usually found behind the base cabinets and marked with a
pencil so they can be transferred to the wall cabinets and should be
pre-drilled into the hanging rail before installation.

always remember
measure twice, drill / cut once.

sounds like you hired a very un-handy man!

he probably used sheetrock screws to hang them.
oh boy, oh boy, oh boy!

"Michael Roback" wrote in message
.net...

Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish
carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot
nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?
Question is, with multiple holes drilled in a row spaced a quarter of an
inch which penetrate/break/ the venier of the strip, isn't the integrity
of
the connection compromised and doesn't it present a possible failure in
the
case of an earthquake?

Secondly, is it customary for a cabinet maker to drill multiple screws
through and into the interior of cabinets? Wouldn't it be customary to
measure the length of screw one needs so that it does not penetrate the
finish material?

And lastly, this person fabricated some bath cabinets and mis-corred for
the
stubouts and so to correct his, rather than replacing the back on the
cabinet, he chose to cut out some melamine patches the dimension of the
interior of the cabinet and affix them back. You can see the patch and it
reduces the working room of the stubouts by about 1/4-1/2" (not a big
deal)
but not necessary. He had the cabinet completely out to work on it. Why
wouldn't he have not replaced the back completely?

Thanks in advance for your help. I am just wanting to do some reality
testing so that I know I am not mis-interpreting the way it should be
done!


Does this guy work for "Near Enough Construction"? The low bidder is
sometimes not the best.

Bill

Michael Roback wrote:
Want to check something out here! I had a "cabinet maker/finish carpenter"
install some kitchen cabinets. When I looked at the hanging ledgers I
noticed that he had drilled about 5-6 holes through the cabinet for every
connection point until he found the stud. When asked why he didn't use a
stud finder, he replied ... they don't work. Why he didn't nail pilot nails
in the wall so all I would have is nail holes to spackle I don't know?

Like many contractors he was lazy and after the max $ in the
least amount of time. Finding and marking studs is not that
hard. He just didn't want to put the time in to do it. Our
cabinets were hung with 1 screw in the proper place every time -
but I took it upon myself to locate and mark all studs.

Bottom line though is that there is probably not that much that
you can do about it at this point - maybe small claims if you
can prove his workmanship is *substantially* outsite of the
industry norm. But even then you'ld have to prove some damages
and aestetics doesn't get much respect in court IMHO. It's
probably more of an aestetics issue than a structural one.

Make sure everyone you know hears about his sloppy work. Word
of mouth is probably your only recourse.

Michael