Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

On 03/06/2016 09:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T




Snake it out or use a drain plunger

On 03/06/2016 07:27 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/06/2016 09:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T




Snake it out or use a drain plunger


Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?

Cussing doesn't work either (not an admission
that I cuss).

On 03/06/2016 09:29 PM, T wrote:
X


Snake it out or use a drain plunger


Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?



Most plumbers just cut or break the head off



Cussing doesn't work either (not an admission
that I cuss).

On 03/06/2016 07:33 PM, philo wrote:
On 03/06/2016 09:29 PM, T wrote:
X


Snake it out or use a drain plunger


Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?



Most plumbers just cut or break the head off

The cord itself would not fit though the grill.

I had though of removing the U pip and entering that way.
What a pain in the but.

What do you think?




Cussing doesn't work either (not an admission
that I cuss).

On 03/06/2016 09:37 PM, T wrote:



Most plumbers just cut or break the head off

The cord itself would not fit though the grill.

Maybe you can go to the hardware store and find one that will fit

Home Depot should have a cheap 1/4" variety


I had though of removing the U pip and entering that way.
What a pain in the but.


If the grill is less than 1/4" you will have to disassemble or try just
making your own snake with wire or a coat hanger...

What do you think?

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:29:40 -0800, T wrote:

Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?

Cussing doesn't work either (not an admission
that I cuss).

Do you have an electrical fish tape? (borrow one)

Smaller end that will go down the pipe and past the drain. You can
even cut the hook end off and bend a new end back later, YMMV

https://tinyurl.com/zslk6qm

Bailing wire?

On 03/06/2016 07:56 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:29:40 -0800, T wrote:

Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?

Cussing doesn't work either (not an admission
that I cuss).

Do you have an electrical fish tape? (borrow one)

Smaller end that will go down the pipe and past the drain. You can
even cut the hook end off and bend a new end back later, YMMV

https://tinyurl.com/zslk6qm

Bailing wire?


No fish tape.

Would a wire just poke through the clog? The drain
does drain, it just backs up if you put the faucet
on high.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:10:13 -0800, T wrote:

No fish tape.

Would a wire just poke through the clog? The drain
does drain, it just backs up if you put the faucet
on high.

You might try a wire coat hanger and bend a "fish hook" on the end.

There are some tool items that force air down the drain to push
goobers out.

https://tinyurl.com/havjae8

Have you tried boiling water?

On 03/06/2016 08:26 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:10:13 -0800, T wrote:

No fish tape.

Would a wire just poke through the clog? The drain
does drain, it just backs up if you put the faucet
on high.

You might try a wire coat hanger and bend a "fish hook" on the end.

There are some tool items that force air down the drain to push
goobers out.

https://tinyurl.com/havjae8

Have you tried boiling water?


Boiling water about 15 times

baking soda

tsp

automatic dish washing powder

plunger

cussing

hair fish

cussing


I am looking at Ace hardware's web site to see it they
have a sink snake

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:35:36 -0800, T wrote:

On 03/06/2016 08:26 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:10:13 -0800, T wrote:

No fish tape.

Would a wire just poke through the clog? The drain
does drain, it just backs up if you put the faucet
on high.

You might try a wire coat hanger and bend a "fish hook" on the end.

There are some tool items that force air down the drain to push
goobers out.

https://tinyurl.com/havjae8

Have you tried boiling water?


Boiling water about 15 times

baking soda

tsp

automatic dish washing powder

plunger

cussing

hair fish

cussing


I am looking at Ace hardware's web site to see it they
have a sink snake

You just ain't cussin' loud enough

Shout it out!

On 03/06/2016 08:42 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:35:36 -0800, T wrote:

On 03/06/2016 08:26 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:10:13 -0800, T wrote:

No fish tape.

Would a wire just poke through the clog? The drain
does drain, it just backs up if you put the faucet
on high.

You might try a wire coat hanger and bend a "fish hook" on the end.

There are some tool items that force air down the drain to push
goobers out.

https://tinyurl.com/havjae8

Have you tried boiling water?


Boiling water about 15 times

baking soda

tsp

automatic dish washing powder

plunger

cussing

hair fish

cussing


I am looking at Ace hardware's web site to see it they
have a sink snake

You just ain't cussin' loud enough

Shout it out!



I think it is ****ed at me for accusing its parents of
not being married.

Found this on Ace:
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...uctId=10880852
Got to stop there next week anyway for something else.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:47:35 -0800, T wrote:

think it is ****ed at me for accusing its parents of
not being married.


Not enough curse words to be effective

Found this on Ace:
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...uctId=10880852
Got to stop there next week anyway for something else.

Never used this, but saw the video a couple months ago.

Plug Buster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q02UvrMJ3r0

Powerful drain opener that gets to the plug fast. Formulated with
sodium hydroxide, which produces higher temperatures and works faster
than potassium hydroxide products. Contains no acids, chlorine
derivatives, solvents, or flammables.

Strong -- dissolves fat, grease, hair, sludge, paper, cloth, organic
matter, and slime
Safe -- formulated for metal and PVC lines
Odorless -- produces no acid fumes
Fast -- starts working on contact
Heavy -- 50% heavier than water
Contains red tracer dye


Momar, Inc
800-556-3967
http://www.momar.com

On 03/06/2016 09:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:47:35 -0800, T wrote:

think it is ****ed at me for accusing its parents of

not being married.


Not enough curse words to be effective

Found this on Ace:
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...uctId=10880852
Got to stop there next week anyway for something else.

Never used this, but saw the video a couple months ago.

Plug Buster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q02UvrMJ3r0

Powerful drain opener that gets to the plug fast. Formulated with
sodium hydroxide, which produces higher temperatures and works faster
than potassium hydroxide products. Contains no acids, chlorine
derivatives, solvents, or flammables.

Strong -- dissolves fat, grease, hair, sludge, paper, cloth, organic
matter, and slime
Safe -- formulated for metal and PVC lines
Odorless -- produces no acid fumes
Fast -- starts working on contact
Heavy -- 50% heavier than water
Contains red tracer dye


Momar, Inc
800-556-3967
http://www.momar.com



Tried one. I think it was from Scotch. Worked great.
20 minutes later ...

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 21:20:14 -0800, T wrote:

On 03/06/2016 09:10 PM, Oren wrote:
On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 20:47:35 -0800, T wrote:

think it is ****ed at me for accusing its parents of

not being married.


Not enough curse words to be effective

Found this on Ace:
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...uctId=10880852
Got to stop there next week anyway for something else.

Never used this, but saw the video a couple months ago.

Plug Buster

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q02UvrMJ3r0

Powerful drain opener that gets to the plug fast. Formulated with
sodium hydroxide, which produces higher temperatures and works faster
than potassium hydroxide products. Contains no acids, chlorine
derivatives, solvents, or flammables.

Strong -- dissolves fat, grease, hair, sludge, paper, cloth, organic
matter, and slime
Safe -- formulated for metal and PVC lines
Odorless -- produces no acid fumes
Fast -- starts working on contact
Heavy -- 50% heavier than water
Contains red tracer dye


Momar, Inc
800-556-3967
http://www.momar.com



Tried one. I think it was from Scotch. Worked great.
20 minutes later ...

I'm not a Scotch fan. I prefer John Daniel's Tennessee Whiskey.

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:37:00 -0800, T wrote:

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?



Most plumbers just cut or break the head off

The cord itself would not fit though the grill.

I had though of removing the U pip and entering that way.
What a pain in the but.

What do you think?

Remove the drain trap (U pipe). Thats the only way to do it. If
necessary, buy a new trap kit. The PVC ones are not costly, and replace
the whole trap unit.

I have freed partially clogged drains by shoving a garden hose in the
drain, with a washcloth around the drain, to force as much water as
possible down the drain, and not into the sink. Be sure to have another
person at the spigot where the hose is connected to shut it off quickly
if it starts to overflow.

If it's a double sink, you'll need to seal the other drain with a piece
of rubber or something, and have yet another person hold it down
tightly. This is not a one person operation. but it often works.

By the way, if this was a bathroom sink, you'd have to seal the overflow
opening. Again, rubber and someone to hold it, works.

On Sun, 06 Mar 2016 23:29:43 -0600, wrote:

On Sun, 6 Mar 2016 19:37:00 -0800, T wrote:

Is there a special snake that is a lot smaller?



Most plumbers just cut or break the head off

The cord itself would not fit though the grill.

I had though of removing the U pip and entering that way.
What a pain in the but.

What do you think?

Remove the drain trap (U pipe). Thats the only way to do it. If
necessary, buy a new trap kit. The PVC ones are not costly, and replace
the whole trap unit.

I have freed partially clogged drains by shoving a garden hose in the
drain, with a washcloth around the drain, to force as much water as
possible down the drain, and not into the sink. Be sure to have another
person at the spigot where the hose is connected to shut it off quickly
if it starts to overflow.

If it's a double sink, you'll need to seal the other drain with a piece
of rubber or something, and have yet another person hold it down
tightly. This is not a one person operation. but it often works.

By the way, if this was a bathroom sink, you'd have to seal the overflow
opening. Again, rubber and someone to hold it, works.


Why does it take three people to unclog a damn drain? Are you Polish?

T wrote:
On 03/06/2016 07:27 PM, philo wrote:

Snake it out or use a drain plunger


Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Take off the P trap and snake from there.

On 03/07/2016 03:56 AM, dadiOH wrote:
T wrote:
On 03/06/2016 07:27 PM, philo wrote:

Snake it out or use a drain plunger


Drain plunger doesn't work. Tried several time.

Snake: I have a nice snake for clearing toilets, but
the end piece won't fit through the sink grill.

Take off the P trap and snake from there.



I am going to try the $3 sink snake from Ace first.
If that doesn't work, then it is the P trap and
and my 6 foot toilet snake.

On 3/6/2016 9:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

Have you tried hydrogen peroxide?

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 8:05:53 AM UTC-5, SeaNymph wrote:
On 3/6/2016 9:16 PM, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

Have you tried hydrogen peroxide?

think a big bucket of VERY HOT WATER, after the liwuid plumber has dont it thing.

most of the time i just use very hot water

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:30:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I have freed partially clogged drains by shoving a garden hose in the
drain, with a washcloth around the drain, to force as much water as
possible down the drain, and not into the sink. Be sure to have another
person at the spigot where the hose is connected to shut it off quickly
if it starts to overflow.

If it's a double sink, you'll need to seal the other drain with a piece
of rubber or something, and have yet another person hold it down
tightly. This is not a one person operation. but it often works.

Never do that or use a plunger on a kitchen sink.

You'll just force crud through the dishwasher hose into the dishwasher. Good luck getting that out again.

Yeah, I know because I made that mistake. Once. Now I pull the trap and snake it.

"T" wrote in message ...
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

I find most liquid drain cleaners don't do anything as they are not strong
enough. The best one I have found is an acid based drain cleaner, it is made
by a few companies but may be hard to find, last time I got some from Lowes.
You can tell if it is acid based by reading the ingredients which will have
a warning that it is acid. I got an example of how well it works when I
wiped some drips from the mouth of the bottle with a Kleenex, a few minutes
later the wet area turned brown and dissolved. Use care as it can do a lot
of damage to you or your possessions, probably not safe on old metal drain
pipes, OK on plastic pipes.

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 11:32:02 AM UTC-5, EXT wrote:


I find most liquid drain cleaners don't do anything as they are not strong
enough. The best one I have found is an acid based drain cleaner, it is made
by a few companies but may be hard to find, last time I got some from Lowes.


I think acids eat different things than alkalis, so it might depend on what the clog is.

Years ago I disposed of a small quantity of HCl left over from a floor tile job by diluting it in a five gallon bucket of water and pouring down the toilet. The most foul odor you can imagine rose from the vent stacks and you could smell it so strong outside I thought the neighbors would complain. I guess even diluted it reacted with whatever organic crud was lining the pipes. The drains did run much better though.

On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

What kind of pipes do you have?

If you have galvanized, they may be so clogged up with scum and debris
that all you have left is a small, spiraling hole through the gunk.

I opened up my galvanized pipes to install a disposer many years ago and
was amazed that the sink drained at all. 6 feet of pipe from the sink
to the stack in the basement and you couldn't see through any 2 foot
section of it.

I replaced it all with PVC and haven't had a clog in 30+ years of disposer
use with a family of 6.

On Mon, 7 Mar 2016 08:00:21 -0800 (PST), TimR
wrote:

On Monday, March 7, 2016 at 12:30:01 AM UTC-5, wrote:
I have freed partially clogged drains by shoving a garden hose in the
drain, with a washcloth around the drain, to force as much water as
possible down the drain, and not into the sink. Be sure to have another
person at the spigot where the hose is connected to shut it off quickly
if it starts to overflow.

If it's a double sink, you'll need to seal the other drain with a piece
of rubber or something, and have yet another person hold it down
tightly. This is not a one person operation. but it often works.

Never do that or use a plunger on a kitchen sink.

You'll just force crud through the dishwasher hose into the dishwasher.
Good luck getting that out again.

Yeah, I know because I made that mistake. Once. Now I pull the trap and
snake it.

That might be true for people who HAVE a dishwasher. I have 2
dishwashers, my right and my left hand!

On 03/07/2016 09:06 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

What kind of pipes do you have?

If you have galvanized, they may be so clogged up with scum and debris
that all you have left is a small, spiraling hole through the gunk.

I opened up my galvanized pipes to install a disposer many years ago and
was amazed that the sink drained at all. 6 feet of pipe from the sink
to the stack in the basement and you couldn't see through any 2 foot
section of it.

I replaced it all with PVC and haven't had a clog in 30+ years of disposer
use with a family of 6.



PVC

On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 03/07/2016 09:06 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

What kind of pipes do you have?

If you have galvanized, they may be so clogged up with scum and debris
that all you have left is a small, spiraling hole through the gunk.

I opened up my galvanized pipes to install a disposer many years ago and
was amazed that the sink drained at all. 6 feet of pipe from the sink
to the stack in the basement and you couldn't see through any 2 foot
section of it.

I replaced it all with PVC and haven't had a clog in 30+ years of disposer
use with a family of 6.



PVC

Any update on the clog since Mar 7th?

Have you opened up the trap yet?

On 03/11/2016 11:22 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Friday, March 11, 2016 at 1:52:21 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 03/07/2016 09:06 AM, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Sunday, March 6, 2016 at 10:16:49 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Hi All,

I have a slow kitchen drain.

I has used several of the liquid plumber and friends things
down the drain. Upon flushing after the wait period, the
drain runs beautifully.

But 20 minutes later, it is back the way it was.

further down the drain pipe, the washer exhausts into the
same drain pipe. The washer has no problem at all. So I
presume, the clog is somewhere between the kitchen sink
and where the washer enters.

I have poked around the sink pipe with one of those
hair grabbers and nothing but a slight amount of scum
comes back.

Any words of wisdom? Is there a better chemical to try?
Is it time to call a plumber?

Many thanks,
-T

What kind of pipes do you have?

If you have galvanized, they may be so clogged up with scum and debris
that all you have left is a small, spiraling hole through the gunk.

I opened up my galvanized pipes to install a disposer many years ago and
was amazed that the sink drained at all. 6 feet of pipe from the sink
to the stack in the basement and you couldn't see through any 2 foot
section of it.

I replaced it all with PVC and haven't had a clog in 30+ years of disposer
use with a family of 6.



PVC

Any update on the clog since Mar 7th?

Have you opened up the trap yet?


Haven't had the time. I actually had customer appointments
out of the office four days this week, which is a good sign.
usually, I only get one day out a week with this recession.

I put the three dollar plastic thing down and got nothing
back, not even any grease. So, the clog must be further down
the line. That would explain why chemicals don't work. They
sit in the p-trap, which is clean already.

:'(