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My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with
7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. -- walter |
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E."
wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. URL: "... guarantees it will not rust or react with aluminum" |
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On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:06:18 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E." wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. URL: "... guarantees it will not rust or react with aluminum" I don't see why they wouldn't work either. I wouldn't worry about interaction with the aluminum, just that over X years, the steel screws might eventually start to rust. Aren't these what they use for new gutter installs instead of the old aluminum spikes anyway? They better work, I was planning on buying a box to use myself. I had the gutters down for painting and am about to put them back up. |
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:26:41 -0800 (PST), trader_4
wrote: On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:06:18 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote: On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E." wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. URL: "... guarantees it will not rust or react with aluminum" I don't see why they wouldn't work either. I wouldn't worry about interaction with the aluminum, just that over X years, the steel screws might eventually start to rust. Aren't these what they use for new gutter installs instead of the old aluminum spikes anyway? They better work, I was planning on buying a box to use myself. I had the gutters down for painting and am about to put them back up. I've read to drill the holes where the spikes were and glue a small wooden dowel in place, paint and remount the gutters. Ensures mounting is secure with no chance of the hole failing (wobble out). I don't have gutters, just FYI |
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E."
wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. Does paint and being steel really make them hold better? I think they just wanted to put all those words on the label, so they put them in one sentence. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I don't know what mine are made of, probably steel, and I know they are brown and match the brown gutters (which is why I think there is paint on them), and they've worked fine for me. It's been far more than 5 years since the first ones went in. But only about half of the nails have been replaced with screws, and that's only on the south side of the house. On the north side, out of the sun, I think it's all the original nails, 36 years old. I probably bought them at HD too. I have half a box left. If I come across them I'll tell you waht it says. I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. Right. If they made spikes that are bigger, they would hold better too, but screws are better still. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. |
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 10:28:26 -0800, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:26:41 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:06:18 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote: On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E." wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. URL: "... guarantees it will not rust or react with aluminum" I don't see why they wouldn't work either. I wouldn't worry about interaction with the aluminum, just that over X years, the steel screws might eventually start to rust. Aren't these what they use for new gutter installs instead of the old aluminum spikes anyway? They better work, I was planning on buying a box to use myself. I had the gutters down for painting and am about to put them back up. I've read to drill the holes where the spikes were and glue a small wooden dowel in place, paint and remount the gutters. Ensures mounting Aren't most dowel rods made of harder wood than the fascia or whatever the gutters are attached to, which is pine? Plus for sure you'll be screwing in with the grain, instead of across it. So if you do this, I think you'll have to drill a starter hole for the gutter screws, and a hole the right size, since you're going to be up on a ladder trying to screw in the screws. Other than that, it's a good idea. You can drill the holes when you're still on the ground. is secure with no chance of the hole failing (wobble out). I don't have gutters, just FYI |
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On Thu, 03 Dec 2015 14:40:09 -0500, Micky
wrote: I've read to drill the holes where the spikes were and glue a small wooden dowel in place, paint and remount the gutters. Ensures mounting Aren't most dowel rods made of harder wood than the fascia or whatever the gutters are attached to, which is pine? Plus for sure you'll be screwing in with the grain, instead of across it. So if you do this, I think you'll have to drill a starter hole for the gutter screws, and a hole the right size, since you're going to be up on a ladder trying to screw in the screws. Other than that, it's a good idea. You can drill the holes when you're still on the ground. A good idea but I didn't mean to give the impression I think it's necessary. For one thing one could just use the screws and do the dowel thing years later after they're not good enough anymore. Plus, would you push the gutter down to drill the original hole in the fascia? Hard to do if the other nails are in place and firm. Or drill through the back of the gutter? Not hard but it puts your drill at an angle, while the screw or spike will be at a different angle since it will be going through the hole** at the front of the gutter. Plus the gutter will sag a little now that the hole(s) in the back are bigger. **Or you could use a long bit and go through both gutter holes, but then both holes will be bigger than they were and the gutter will sag and wobble in the wind on both of them. Another thing one can do is the same thing I do with smaller projects. With smaller projects, I put kitchen match sticks (minus the sulfur) or round toothpicks in the hole and then the screw. This might be enough or one can make up some bigger slivers of wood and put them in the hole where the gutter screws go so the screws will go in there tightly. The original hole in the back of the gutter will of course be much more than big enough. Make the slivers long enough and they will hit something so they don't fall out the back***. Or if necessary, bend each one 90 degrees (it will break but not completely) so a little piece of them is sideways, in front, to keep the whole sliver from going farther into the hole. No need for glue. That sounds like the simplest and easiest and as good as anything. ***You can tell that I don't remember where exactly the gutter screws go or what is behind it, more wood or an open space. is secure with no chance of the hole failing (wobble out). I don't have gutters, just FYI |
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On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 11:58:18 AM UTC-5, Walter E. wrote:
My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. -- walter Another option is to abandon the current spikes & ferrules and use brackets: There are many types to choose from. A couple of examples are these internal ones: http://www.currysgutter.com/sitebuil...s/brackets.jpg and these external ones: http://img2-3.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/11...19-gutters.gif When I had my gutters replaced a few years ago, they got rid of the spikes (which were doing what yours are doing) and used the internal brackets. |
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On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 13:31:44 -0800 (PST), DerbyDad03
wrote: Another option is to abandon the current spikes & ferrules and use brackets: There are many types to choose from. A couple of examples are these internal ones: http://www.currysgutter.com/sitebuil...s/brackets.jpg and these external ones: http://img2-3.timeinc.net/toh/i/g/11...19-gutters.gif When I had my gutters replaced a few years ago, they got rid of the spikes (which were doing what yours are doing) and used the internal brackets. The internal sure look better. Less fasteners; thus, less chance of opening the wood to water exposure. I guess caulk could be used to seal the external bracket screws from water intrusion, via caulk in the holes of the fasteners before mounting. |
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On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:28:32 PM UTC-6, Oren wrote:
On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 09:26:41 -0800 (PST), trader_4 wrote: On Thursday, December 3, 2015 at 12:06:18 PM UTC-5, Oren wrote: On Thu, 3 Dec 2015 08:58:16 -0800, "Walter E." wrote: My house has aluminum gutters. they are attached to the fascia boards with 7" aluminum spikes and ferrules. Many of these spikes have worked loose over the last 30 years and the gutters are drooping. Home Depot sells 7" Gutter Screws that replace the aluminum spikes. For superior holding power, they are made of painted steel. My question is, will the steel screws that go through the rim of the aluminum gutter compromise the gutters due to electrolytic interaction? Will this hold for about 5 years? I tried out the long screws vs the long spikes and the screws are holding much better than the aluminum spikes, probably because the screw portion of the gutter screw is slightly larger than the hole made by the original spikes. http://www.homedepot.com/p/FastenMas...25BR/202268254 Thanks for any input. URL: "... guarantees it will not rust or react with aluminum" I don't see why they wouldn't work either. I wouldn't worry about interaction with the aluminum, just that over X years, the steel screws might eventually start to rust. Aren't these what they use for new gutter installs instead of the old aluminum spikes anyway? They better work, I was planning on buying a box to use myself. I had the gutters down for painting and am about to put them back up. I've read to drill the holes where the spikes were and glue a small wooden dowel in place, paint and remount the gutters. Ensures mounting is secure with no chance of the hole failing (wobble out). I don't have gutters, just FYI I'd ream the hole, coat a big plastic or lead anchor with waterproof yellow wood glue and hammer it into the hole. I've done it with plastic anchors hammered into wood studs indoors and it held some shelves up very well. The screws had pulled out of the wood when too much weight was put on the shelves. (€¢€¿€¢) [8~{} Uncle Screwy Monster |
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