I've read all the threads on LED light bulbs. Not a lotta good things
to say. Directional, wrong spectrum, etc. Me? I like 'em, so far.

I have a regular shaded lamp with a CFL in it. Takes at least 30-60
secs to come up to full brightness. For reading, I have one of those
flex-neck lamps with a directional hood (like pole lamps). I put a
60W LED bulb in it. I bought the cheapest bulb I could find at
WallyWorld fer $2.58. In a directional hooded lamp, it works great.
Full brightness, instantly. Plenty bright enough fer reading when
bounced off a white wall.

Not that I endorse them, without reservation. I'll be damned if I'll
spend $1K+ fer an LED grow light. Not until they settle on what
spectrums are best fer veg/flowering, first. But, fer a couple bucks,
good enough fer reading.

nb

On 11/27/2015 4:31 PM, notbob wrote:
I've read all the threads on LED light bulbs. Not a lotta good things
to say. Directional, wrong spectrum, etc. Me? I like 'em, so far.

I have a regular shaded lamp with a CFL in it. Takes at least 30-60
secs to come up to full brightness. For reading, I have one of those
flex-neck lamps with a directional hood (like pole lamps). I put a
60W LED bulb in it. I bought the cheapest bulb I could find at
WallyWorld fer $2.58. In a directional hooded lamp, it works great.
Full brightness, instantly. Plenty bright enough fer reading when
bounced off a white wall.

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

Not that I endorse them, without reservation. I'll be damned if I'll
spend $1K+ fer an LED grow light. Not until they settle on what
spectrums are best fer veg/flowering, first. But, fer a couple bucks,
good enough fer reading.

Depends on how you expect to use them.

Here, most "area lighting" is from recessed cans. So, very easy to find
an effective LED lamp that pushed all its light out *one* "end".
CFL's, by comparison, try to throw most of their light out the *sides*
so not-quite-so-good.

Temperature performance of CFL's also makes them less than ideal.
No so with LED's.

When dimmable BR30's and R20's become more affordable, we'll switch
to them and just keep a couple of CFL's for (bedside) "reading lamps"
(where the light needs to radiate in all directions) and (big) CFL
"floods" for the up-lights in the office.

Still looking for high intensity floods (LED, probably) for the recessed
cans in the garage (high ceiling means they have to throw a lot of light)

Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 4:31 PM, notbob wrote:
I've read all the threads on LED light bulbs. Not a lotta good things
to say. Directional, wrong spectrum, etc. Me? I like 'em, so far.

I have a regular shaded lamp with a CFL in it. Takes at least 30-60
secs to come up to full brightness. For reading, I have one of those
flex-neck lamps with a directional hood (like pole lamps). I put a
60W LED bulb in it. I bought the cheapest bulb I could find at
WallyWorld fer $2.58. In a directional hooded lamp, it works great.
Full brightness, instantly. Plenty bright enough fer reading when
bounced off a white wall.

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

Not that I endorse them, without reservation. I'll be damned if I'll
spend $1K+ fer an LED grow light. Not until they settle on what
spectrums are best fer veg/flowering, first. But, fer a couple bucks,
good enough fer reading.

Depends on how you expect to use them.

Here, most "area lighting" is from recessed cans. So, very easy to find
an effective LED lamp that pushed all its light out *one* "end".
CFL's, by comparison, try to throw most of their light out the *sides*
so not-quite-so-good.

Temperature performance of CFL's also makes them less than ideal.
No so with LED's.

When dimmable BR30's and R20's become more affordable, we'll switch
to them and just keep a couple of CFL's for (bedside) "reading lamps"
(where the light needs to radiate in all directions) and (big) CFL
"floods" for the up-lights in the office.

Still looking for high intensity floods (LED, probably) for the recessed
cans in the garage (high ceiling means they have to throw a lot of light)

LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put *optics* in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been *behind* it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think *we* have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put *optics* in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been *behind* it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think *we* have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

If you try to see LED tail lights from about 45 deg. angle it is very
hard to see if it's on or off. When I remote start my car from a
distance, it is little difficult to confirm car is started and running.
When driving in blowing snow LED lights seem to glare more. And under
the sheet of thin ice in winter.(maybe because it does not produce some
heat like old lights) Also replacement LED light assembly will cost
more. (can't replace individual element in an array)

On 11/27/2015 7:57 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put *optics* in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been *behind* it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think *we* have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

If you try to see LED tail lights from about 45 deg. angle it is very hard to
see if it's on or off. When I remote start my car from a distance, it is little
difficult to confirm car is started and running.

As I said, I've never seen the back of the car...

When driving in blowing snow LED lights seem to glare more. And under the sheet
of thin ice in winter.(maybe because it does not produce some heat like old

We don't have snow -- or ice.

lights) Also replacement LED light assembly will cost more. (can't replace
individual element in an array)

Yes, headlights have been expensive for more than a decade. Last vehicle
they were $400/each.

Of course, you typically only pay that when you've collided with something.
I can't recall the last time I *replace* a headlight (from wear).

I am much more concerned with all the electronic kit that I'm at
the mercy of a dealer to replace/repair. (I can still drive a car
during daylight hours with a bad headlight; I can't drive it
if any of the ECU's fail!)

On 2015-11-28, Tony Hwang wrote:

Also replacement LED light assembly will cost more. (can't replace
individual element in an array)

I think this issue was resolved several yrs ago, but I could be
wrong.

I recall fans of Suzuki motorcycles were outraged when they
discovered they hadda replace an entire 4-LED light array, at huge
cost, instead of a single small LED bulb. Suzy changed it to
easily replaceable individual LEDs.

I've seen the same issue with the newer LED stoplight assys. Usta
see a few individual LED bulbs burned out. No more. Seems it's the
total array or nothing. This is weird, as the Japanese usta
live/die for selling entire assemblies. Are the arrays now cheaper
or is it jes companies maximizing profits?

nb

On 11/27/2015 9:29 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put *optics* in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been *behind* it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think *we* have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

Sounds like you should tilt those headlights
down a bit, so you don't keep (knowingly)
blinding other drivers. That's quite
inconsiderate to keep blinding other drivers
after being asked many times, and knowing that
you've been asked many times, to dim the brights.

--
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 11/28/2015 07:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Sounds like you should tilt those headlights
down a bit, so you don't keep (knowingly)
blinding other drivers. That's quite
inconsiderate to keep blinding other drivers
after being asked many times, and knowing that
you've been asked many times, to dim the brights.

To be clear, I'm not a proponent of road-rage but at some point, road rage may dim his lights off for him.

Tick-tock!

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/10/22...exico-freeway/

On 11/28/2015 5:42 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 11/27/2015 9:29 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put *optics* in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been *behind* it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think *we* have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

Sounds like you should tilt those headlights
down a bit, so you don't keep (knowingly)
blinding other drivers. That's quite
inconsiderate to keep blinding other drivers
after being asked many times, and knowing that
you've been asked many times, to dim the brights.

Tell the factory that! Car rides up higher than a
regular car -- should all truck drivers deliberately
point their lights at the ground (instead of "aiming"
them as required?)

Should folks not be allowed to use halogen and HID lights
because they're brighter??

Stormin Mormon wrote in alt.home.repair:

On 11/27/2015 9:29 PM, Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 7:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head
lights/tail lights
on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

That's why you put optics in front of them!

We've been very pleased with the LED headlights on our vehicle
(haven't ever been behind it to comment on tail lights).
Oncoming vehicles frequently flash their "brights" suggesting
they think we have ours on (but we don't).

Turn signals illuminate the overhead signs ("next exit 2 miles").

Time will tell how they fare with our heat...

Sounds like you should tilt those headlights
down a bit, so you don't keep (knowingly)
blinding other drivers. That's quite
inconsiderate to keep blinding other drivers
after being asked many times, and knowing that
you've been asked many times, to dim the brights.

Agreed. In Virgnia, it's part of the annual inspection to ensure the
tilt it maintained so you do not blind (and thereby endanger) other
drivers.

If folks flash their lights at you, you have something wrong and need
to fix it.



--

On Sat, 28 Nov 2015 07:42:02 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Sounds like you should tilt those headlights
down a bit, so you don't keep (knowingly)
blinding other drivers. That's quite
inconsiderate to keep blinding other drivers
after being asked many times, and knowing that
you've been asked many times, to dim the brights.

Maybe the oncoming drivers are warning him a police speed trap or
police check point. I do it often.

This is Usenet, not a Dear Abby column.

On 11/27/2015 9:00 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Don Y wrote:
On 11/27/2015 4:31 PM, notbob wrote:
I've read all the threads on LED light bulbs. Not a lotta good things
to say. Directional, wrong spectrum, etc. Me? I like 'em, so far.

I have a regular shaded lamp with a CFL in it. Takes at least 30-60
secs to come up to full brightness. For reading, I have one of those
flex-neck lamps with a directional hood (like pole lamps). I put a
60W LED bulb in it. I bought the cheapest bulb I could find at
WallyWorld fer $2.58. In a directional hooded lamp, it works great.
Full brightness, instantly. Plenty bright enough fer reading when
bounced off a white wall.

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

Not that I endorse them, without reservation. I'll be damned if I'll
spend $1K+ fer an LED grow light. Not until they settle on what
spectrums are best fer veg/flowering, first. But, fer a couple bucks,
good enough fer reading.

Depends on how you expect to use them.

Here, most "area lighting" is from recessed cans. So, very easy to find
an effective LED lamp that pushed all its light out *one* "end".
CFL's, by comparison, try to throw most of their light out the *sides*
so not-quite-so-good.

Temperature performance of CFL's also makes them less than ideal.
No so with LED's.

When dimmable BR30's and R20's become more affordable, we'll switch
to them and just keep a couple of CFL's for (bedside) "reading lamps"
(where the light needs to radiate in all directions) and (big) CFL
"floods" for the up-lights in the office.

Still looking for high intensity floods (LED, probably) for the recessed
cans in the garage (high ceiling means they have to throw a lot of light)

LEDs are not matured yet. I have a reservation on LED head lights/tail
lights on new cars. They're like LCD display, narrow view of angle.

One annoyance of getting a new car.

The string of LED's around tail lights looks chincy, particularly on
expensive cars.

Those that want to grow their pot with them should look at spectra of
light output. There is more UV but not sure how else they might affect
growth.

On 11/28/2015 8:04 AM, Frank wrote:


One annoyance of getting a new car.

The string of LED's around tail lights looks chincy, particularly on
expensive cars.

Those that want to grow their pot with them should look at spectra of
light output. There is more UV but not sure how else they might affect
growth.


Depends on the car. My Genesis has LED taillights but they have a full
red lens so they don't appear to be a string of dots.

Front DRL on a few cars look terrible, IMO. Cadillac is one of the
worst, IMO, Audi not far behind. They they go out when the turn signal
is on and it really looks bad.

Some look like the designers got a new toy and they don't know how to
play with them yet, but they must use them because the competition has
them.

On 11/28/2015 9:50 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 11/28/2015 8:04 AM, Frank wrote:

One annoyance of getting a new car.

The string of LED's around tail lights looks chincy, particularly on
expensive cars.

I'm waiting for the Tbird emulation frenzy to take place! :

Those that want to grow their pot with them should look at spectra of
light output. There is more UV but not sure how else they might affect
growth.

Depends on the car. My Genesis has LED taillights but they have a full red
lens so they don't appear to be a string of dots.

Front DRL on a few cars look terrible, IMO. Cadillac is one of the worst, IMO,
Audi not far behind. They they go out when the turn signal is on and it really
looks bad.

Some look like the designers got a new toy and they don't know how to play with
them yet, but they must use them because the competition has them.

A lot of what goes into cars (appearance-wise) is to make the vehicle
more noticeable to other drivers (safety). E.g., brake lights had
been "low, on either side" of the car for ages -- why the sudden
need to put a third one "up high"?

Ans: because it isn't *expected* there (yet) so drivers notice it
more readily.

Ditto motorcycles running with headlight(s) on -- in daylight.

Drivers -- when not deliberately distracted by their own amusements -- tend
to "zone out" and fail to see lots of what's in front of them.

On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

On 11/27/2015 6:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

I was checking out the Utilitech 99-cent LED lamps at Lowe's today.
Lamp life rated at 2000 hours.
What's up with that?
I didn't buy any.

On 11/28/2015 12:21 AM, mike wrote:
On 11/27/2015 6:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

I was checking out the Utilitech 99-cent LED lamps at Lowe's today.
Lamp life rated at 2000 hours.
What's up with that?
I didn't buy any.

I guess you get what you pay for. I looked at other cheap Utilitech
bulbs and the 60W equivalent is only 5000 hours. Same size from
Sylvania is 25,000 hours and is only a buck or so more.

Ed Pawlowski wrote:

I guess you get what you pay for. I looked at other cheap Utilitech
bulbs and the 60W equivalent is only 5000 hours. Same size from
Sylvania is 25,000 hours and is only a buck or so more.

The other thing to keep in mind is "dimable" vs. "non-dimable."

The dimable bulbs (i.e. Feits from Costco) tend to be large and heavy. The bulb
base has extra electronics to managing the dimming. The "non-dimable" Philips
bulbs (traditional style - not the flat ones) are much smaller and lighter
weight. Depending on the type of dimmer you have, the non-dimable builbs may
still work.

On 11/27/2015 8:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.


So far, I'm liking the LED. Nice bright lighting.

--
Maggie

On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 12:00:39 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 11/27/2015 8:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

So far, I'm liking the LED. Nice bright lighting.
--
Maggie

I put LED bulbs in my desk lamps at home. When I needed to examine something up close, I could bring the lamp down very near to something I was examining without getting sunburned like I would with an incandescent lamp. ლ(o—¡oლ)

[8~{} Uncle Lamp Monster

On 11/28/2015 9:12 AM, Uncle Monster wrote:
On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 12:00:39 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 11/27/2015 8:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

So far, I'm liking the LED. Nice bright lighting.
--
Maggie

I put LED bulbs in my desk lamps at home. When I needed to examine
something up close, I could bring the lamp down very near to something
I was examining without getting sunburned like I would with an
incandescent lamp. ლ(o—¡oლ)

[8~{} Uncle Lamp Monster


I've got a couple of desk lamps with LED bulbs in them, too. They don't
get hot at all, which is another reason that I like them. They don't
compete with the AC in the summer time.

--
Maggie

Uncle Monster posted for all of us...



On Saturday, November 28, 2015 at 12:00:39 AM UTC-6, Muggles wrote:
On 11/27/2015 8:19 PM, bob_villain wrote:
On Friday, November 27, 2015 at 5:43:30 PM UTC-6, Don Y wrote:

I saw some 60 equivalent watt units listed for $0.99 recently...

At Lowe's...not sure how long that sale lasts.

So far, I'm liking the LED. Nice bright lighting.
--
Maggie

I put LED bulbs in my desk lamps at home. When I needed to examine something up close, I could bring the lamp down very near to something I was examining without getting sunburned like I would with an incandescent lamp. ?(o?o?)??

[8~{} Uncle Lamp Monster

You know Unc you left a big opening here to make a crude remark. But I ain't
taking it. I am reformed. Who knows what will happen in the next ten
seconds, my attention span.

--
Tekkie

On 11/27/2015 5:31 PM, notbob wrote:
I've read all the threads on LED light bulbs. Not a lotta good things
to say. Directional, wrong spectrum, etc. Me? I like 'em, so far.

I have a regular shaded lamp with a CFL in it. Takes at least 30-60
secs to come up to full brightness. For reading, I have one of those
flex-neck lamps with a directional hood (like pole lamps). I put a
60W LED bulb in it. I bought the cheapest bulb I could find at
WallyWorld fer $2.58. In a directional hooded lamp, it works great.
Full brightness, instantly. Plenty bright enough fer reading when
bounced off a white wall.

Not that I endorse them, without reservation. I'll be damned if I'll
spend $1K+ fer an LED grow light. Not until they settle on what
spectrums are best fer veg/flowering, first. But, fer a couple bucks,
good enough fer reading.

nb


I've got all LED bulbs in my bathroom, now, where I've added shelves to
put plants on. I turn them on and it's like being outside on a sunny day
with no clouds in the sky. I read that LED are just as good for growing
plants, plus, LED blue and red bulbs are also good for plants, so, I'll
see for myself how it does this winter.

I bought some carnivorous plants to keep amongst the other plants and
they've already caught some tiny gnats. (venus flytrap, and octopus
plant [sundew]). LOVE them both. One of the octopus plants is blooming
pretty pink flowers.

--
Maggie

Muggles wrote:
....
I bought some carnivorous plants to keep amongst the other plants and
they've already caught some tiny gnats. (venus flytrap, and octopus
plant [sundew]). LOVE them both. One of the octopus plants is blooming
pretty pink flowers.

ages ago i kept venus flytraps in a 10 gallon
terrarium and they bloomed. did you ever think of
how venus flytraps would be pollinated? they
have yellow flowers on top of a stalk 8+" high.

if you do get flower stalks they can be hand
pollinated with a little brush and then the seeds
will eventually come along. they look like tiny
little eggplants. to get them to grow from seed
can be a challenge. i had a bunch of them coming
along and went on vacation and left my sister in
charge of making sure they didn't dry out. heh.
came home to shrivelled little nothings... poor
tykes.


songbird

On 11/28/2015 10:56 AM, songbird wrote:
Muggles wrote:
...
I bought some carnivorous plants to keep amongst the other plants and
they've already caught some tiny gnats. (venus flytrap, and octopus
plant [sundew]). LOVE them both. One of the octopus plants is blooming
pretty pink flowers.

ages ago i kept venus flytraps in a 10 gallon
terrarium and they bloomed. did you ever think of
how venus flytraps would be pollinated? they
have yellow flowers on top of a stalk 8+" high.

if you do get flower stalks they can be hand
pollinated with a little brush and then the seeds
will eventually come along. they look like tiny
little eggplants. to get them to grow from seed
can be a challenge. i had a bunch of them coming
along and went on vacation and left my sister in
charge of making sure they didn't dry out. heh.
came home to shrivelled little nothings... poor
tykes.


I've had flytraps to bloom before, but I didn't try to pollinate the
blooms. The octopus plants have about 10 blooms on the stalk and it's
blooming from the bottom bloom going up the stalk one at a time. I can
try to pollinate the blooms as they open the same way and see how that
works.


--
Maggie