I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

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On 9/20/2015 8:28 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?


Probably does not contain the corrosion inhibitors but should be safe to
use if only a little is used.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

It's a secret. If you want to know ask Hillary to send you an email
with the answer. No, wait, she doesn't send any secret stuff. Never
has, never will. By the way, if she didn't send any secret stuff, what
the hell did she do those four years?

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?
Different horses for different courses. There is a reason there are
multiple products. RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which should
NEVER be mixed with ethylene glycol. Yes, there ARE propylene glycol
engine goolants - and some of them are "anhydrous" meaning "no water"

On 9/20/2015 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?
Different horses for different courses. There is a reason there are
multiple products. RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which should
NEVER be mixed with ethylene glycol. Yes, there ARE propylene glycol
engine goolants - and some of them are "anhydrous" meaning "no water"


Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

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On 9/20/2015 8:56 PM, Gordon Shumway wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

It's a secret. If you want to know ask Hillary to send you an email
with the answer. No, wait, she doesn't send any secret stuff. Never
has, never will. By the way, if she didn't send any secret stuff, what
the hell did she do those four years?


Best idea I've heard in a while. Got her email
adress? Oh, wait, no one does, it's a secret.
Nevermind.

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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 9/20/2015 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?
Different horses for different courses. There is a reason there are
multiple products. RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which should
NEVER be mixed with ethylene glycol. Yes, there ARE propylene glycol
engine goolants - and some of them are "anhydrous" meaning "no water"


Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

Most automotive antifreezes say not to mix them with non-campatible
coolants. There are so many different chemical concoctions used as
additive packages, some of them organic acids, some containing silica,
etc. Mixing them can have unpredictable results.

Evans coolant is a prime example of "anhydrous" propylene glycol
coolant.and has many advantages over water-based coolants.
It is specified in our Rotax 912 and 914 aircraft engines and is used
in a lot of racing engines and antique car restorations since with no
water the corrosion issues are virtually non-existant. The hotter it
gets the thinner it gets, so it finds leaks that water based coolants
would never find - even with them running at higher system pressures
than the evans product. The lower pressure required for Evans to
eliminate boiling makes it good for older vehicles, and it's high
boiling point makes it good for modified street vehicles.

Plumbing antifreeze is a highly diluted propylene glycol. Without
knowing it's concentration, it's heat transfer and boiling protection
are un-known.

Peak Sierra antifreeze coolant is a water based propylene glycol
engine coolant/antifreeze. Nemco is another one, and Amzoil also
markets a water-based PG coolant.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 9/20/2015 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?
Different horses for different courses. There is a reason there are
multiple products. RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which should
NEVER be mixed with ethylene glycol. Yes, there ARE propylene glycol
engine goolants - and some of them are "anhydrous" meaning "no water"


Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.

How cold does it get there? RV antifreeze will not give you the same
protection you get with ethylene glycol

Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

On 9/21/2015 12:15 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 9/20/2015 9:44 PM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?
Different horses for different courses. There is a reason there are
multiple products. RV antifreeze is propylene glycol which should
NEVER be mixed with ethylene glycol. Yes, there ARE propylene glycol
engine goolants - and some of them are "anhydrous" meaning "no water"


Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

Most automotive antifreezes say not to mix them with non-campatible
coolants. There are so many different chemical concoctions used as
additive packages, some of them organic acids, some containing silica,
etc. Mixing them can have unpredictable results.

Evans coolant is a prime example of "anhydrous" propylene glycol
coolant.and has many advantages over water-based coolants.
It is specified in our Rotax 912 and 914 aircraft engines and is used
in a lot of racing engines and antique car restorations since with no
water the corrosion issues are virtually non-existant. The hotter it
gets the thinner it gets, so it Well, that's all interesting writing. Sure would be nice if you'd provide some documentation, or web site of some kind from manufacturer to back up what you center posted. finds leaks that water based coolants
would never find - even with them running at higher system pressures
than the evans product. The lower pressure required for Evans to
eliminate boiling makes it good for older vehicles, and it's high
boiling point makes it good for modified street vehicles.

Plumbing antifreeze is a highly diluted propylene glycol. Without
knowing it's concentration, it's heat transfer and boiling protection
are un-known.

Peak Sierra antifreeze coolant is a water based propylene glycol
engine coolant/antifreeze. Nemco is another one, and Amzoil also
markets a water-based PG coolant.

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
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On 9/21/2015 12:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.

How cold does it get there? RV antifreeze will not give you the same
protection you get with ethylene glycol


Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
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On 9/21/2015 12:28 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

The RV usage is mostly tubing, and little metal
contact. Wonder if that has anything to do with
it?

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On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:28:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

IDK what the actual boiling point difference is, but seems like that
could be a valid point, if the RV type has a lower boiling point.
Also, as someone else pointed out, auto antifreeze has specific
corrosion and lubricating properties that RV probably would not have.
I would think the corrosion inhibitors required might be toxic
and/or not needed in the RV product.
Someone said it would probably be OK if only a little is used.
I would disagree with that. Years ago I had a Pontiac that had
the extended life, 100K mile antifreeze in it. I took it for service
to Jiffy Lube and they topped it off with regular. It wound
up fouling, gunky up the cooling system and creating a big mess
that the dealer had to fix.

Putting RV type in a car would probably be like using cooking oil for engine oil
or at least like putting some straight weight oil without proper detergents,
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.

The obvious question is why not fix the radiator?
Is it too big a leak to use some form of stop leak?


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On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 8:08:23 AM UTC-5, Dean Hoffman wrote:

The obvious question is why not fix the radiator?

....because he is a cheap ****, much like micky.

"trader_4"
wrote in message
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:28:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

IDK what the actual boiling point difference is, but seems like that
could be a valid point, if the RV type has a lower boiling point.
Also, as someone else pointed out, auto antifreeze has specific
corrosion and lubricating properties that RV probably would not have.
I would think the corrosion inhibitors required might be toxic
and/or not needed in the RV product.
Someone said it would probably be OK if only a little is used.
I would disagree with that. Years ago I had a Pontiac that had
the extended life, 100K mile antifreeze in it. I took it for service
to Jiffy Lube and they topped it off with regular. It wound
up fouling, gunky up the cooling system and creating a big mess
that the dealer had to fix.

Putting RV type in a car would probably be like using cooking oil for
engine oil
or at least like putting some straight weight oil without proper
detergents,
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no
other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

At the museum in Flin Flon Manitoba there is an old tractor on
display and they used kerosene in the cooling system! Apparently
they had no antifreeze at all back then so they used that instead.

trader_4 wrote:
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:28:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

IDK what the actual boiling point difference is, but seems like that
could be a valid point, if the RV type has a lower boiling point.
Also, as someone else pointed out, auto antifreeze has specific
corrosion and lubricating properties that RV probably would not have.
I would think the corrosion inhibitors required might be toxic
and/or not needed in the RV product.
Someone said it would probably be OK if only a little is used.
I would disagree with that. Years ago I had a Pontiac that had
the extended life, 100K mile antifreeze in it. I took it for service
to Jiffy Lube and they topped it off with regular. It wound
up fouling, gunky up the cooling system and creating a big mess
that the dealer had to fix.

Putting RV type in a car would probably be like using cooking oil for engine oil
or at least like putting some straight weight oil without proper detergents,
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

In a bind, I'd rather just use water until problem is taken care of.

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 9:49:51 AM UTC-5, Phil Kangas wrote:
"trader_4"
wrote in message
On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 12:28:44 AM UTC-4, Tony Hwang wrote:
Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

The simple difference is RV one only concerns freezing
Auto. one is both freezing and boiling under pressure.
And different chemical dealing with metal, alloys, etc.

IDK what the actual boiling point difference is, but seems like that
could be a valid point, if the RV type has a lower boiling point.
Also, as someone else pointed out, auto antifreeze has specific
corrosion and lubricating properties that RV probably would not have.
I would think the corrosion inhibitors required might be toxic
and/or not needed in the RV product.
Someone said it would probably be OK if only a little is used.
I would disagree with that. Years ago I had a Pontiac that had
the extended life, 100K mile antifreeze in it. I took it for service
to Jiffy Lube and they topped it off with regular. It wound
up fouling, gunky up the cooling system and creating a big mess
that the dealer had to fix.

Putting RV type in a car would probably be like using cooking oil for
engine oil
or at least like putting some straight weight oil without proper
detergents,
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no
other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

At the museum in Flin Flon Manitoba there is an old tractor on
display and they used kerosene in the cooling system! Apparently
they had no antifreeze at all back then so they used that instead.

Before anti-freeze they would normally use alcohol in winter...which would boil away quickly.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 08:08:17 -0500, "Dean Hoffman"
wrote:


Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.

The obvious question is why not fix the radiator?
Is it too big a leak to use some form of stop leak?

Radiators are cheap. I got one for about $50 for my old Honda.
Two hoses and a few screws and I was good as new. These days they
usually load from the top and you don't have to remove much to get it
out. The hardest part was reaching the plug for the fan.

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:58:44 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 9/21/2015 12:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.

How cold does it get there? RV antifreeze will not give you the same
protection you get with ethylene glycol


Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.
What's wrong with fixing or replacing the radiator??

You could clean up the bad spot and slap a wad of bondo on it to slow
it down. I did that on my nephew's car hafter he put the fan through
it in a front end colision and he was able to drive it some 50 miles
to the repair shop instead of paying for a tow.

On 9/21/2015 9:08 AM, Dean Hoffman wrote:

Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.

The obvious question is why not fix the radiator?
Is it too big a leak to use some form of stop leak?


I've tried stop leak stuff, no benefit. I can see roughly
where the leak is, on plastic surface. Might try drain the
water and use epoxy some night, let it cure over night.

My other car is dead in the shop, and my policy is not to
work on one car while the other is in the shop. No backup
to go for parts and such. So, I fill with water every
morning.

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On 9/21/2015 11:12 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no
other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

In a bind, I'd rather just use water until problem is taken care of.


Winter approaches, and will force me to either
repair, replace, or feed it auto antifreeze.

Right now, exploring the options.

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On 9/21/2015 12:47 PM, wrote:

What's wrong with fixing or replacing the radiator??

You could clean up the bad spot and slap a wad of bondo on it to slow
it down. I did that on my nephew's car hafter he put the fan through
it in a front end colision and he was able to drive it some 50 miles
to the repair shop instead of paying for a tow.


Keeping the options open. Pretty sure I know
where the leak is. I may drain the water out,
slap on some two part epoxy, and see how it
does in the morning. The leak is at the
plastic end.

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On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 12:47:33 -0400, wrote:

On Mon, 21 Sep 2015 07:58:44 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 9/21/2015 12:26 AM, wrote:
On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 23:22:11 -0400, Stormin Mormon
Why not mixed?
Why anhydrous?

Any proof of what you write?

-
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.

How cold does it get there? RV antifreeze will not give you the same
protection you get with ethylene glycol


Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.
What's wrong with fixing or replacing the radiator??

You could clean up the bad spot and slap a wad of bondo on it to slow
it down. I did that on my nephew's car hafter he put the fan through
it in a front end colision and he was able to drive it some 50 miles
to the repair shop instead of paying for a tow.

I ran an epoxy patched radiator for years in a Camaro. If you
reinforce it with aluminum window screen, it is very tough. Just be
sure you do good surface prep and that you work the epoxy in well.

On Sun, 20 Sep 2015 20:28:26 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?

What does the vehicle maker suggest for a product?

Or, what would Machiavelli do?

On Monday, September 21, 2015 at 2:14:07 PM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/21/2015 11:12 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:
trader_4 wrote:
additives, etc in it. If I were in some emergency situation, with no
other
choice for some odd reason, I'd use it temporarily.

In a bind, I'd rather just use water until problem is taken care of.


Winter approaches, and will force me to either
repair, replace, or feed it auto antifreeze.

Right now, exploring the options.

--


Antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors and lubricating properties.
I made the mistake once of running a car with pure water,
because I was in between repairs, waiting for a part, or whatever.
Ran it like that for a couple weeks, the thermostat froze up.
When I drained it, I was shocked at how rusty and dirty the water was.

Dean Hoffman wrote:

Most years, gets down to 0F (think that's -17C). The
RV stuff says it goes down to -50.

I've got a leaky radiator, and it would be cheaper to
feed it $4 a gal RV stuff, rather than $10 a gal
auto stuff.

The obvious question is why not fix the radiator?
Is it too big a leak to use some form of stop leak?


Waiting for bigger problem and then he'll react proper, LOL!

On 9/21/2015 4:15 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors and lubricating properties.
I made the mistake once of running a car with pure water,
because I was in between repairs, waiting for a part, or whatever.
Ran it like that for a couple weeks, the thermostat froze up.
When I drained it, I was shocked at how rusty and dirty the water was.


Do you have high mineral content in your water?

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On Tuesday, September 22, 2015 at 8:20:02 AM UTC-4, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 9/21/2015 4:15 PM, trader_4 wrote:
Antifreeze has corrosion inhibitors and lubricating properties.
I made the mistake once of running a car with pure water,
because I was in between repairs, waiting for a part, or whatever.
Ran it like that for a couple weeks, the thermostat froze up.
When I drained it, I was shocked at how rusty and dirty the water was.


Do you have high mineral content in your water?


I don't think it's particularly high, no. It's from a municipal
water source and I don't have any of the typical problems you'd
notice from hard water.

On Sunday, September 20, 2015 at 5:28:22 PM UTC-7, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I've got some pink RV water line anti freeze.
Says not to use in auto radiator / cooling
system. Anyone know why this is? I did a web
search. One site says it eats aluminum,
another says no additives.

Anyone want to share the real reason, and
a web site for reference?


Phone Prestone because they're good with that kind of information.

RV water line antifreeze is made with propylene glycol instead
of ethylene glycol because the former is less toxic, as this
note from the CDC says:

http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/csem/csem.asp?csem=12&po=14


Less toxic, not non-toxic, but at least unlike ethylene glycol:

"Large doses and unusual circumstances are necessary for the
development of propylene glycol toxicity."

"Unlike ethylene glycol, propylene glycol does not produce
nephrotoxicity [kidney failure] in humans."


Straight from the bottle, RV antifreeze is typically 25%
propylene glycol, 75% water, and that's it -- no additives to
help stop corrosion or counteract hard water.

If you have a crack in a plastic radiator tank, about the only
way to fix it well is by melting new identical plastic into the
crack because no glue or stop leak will work. The plastic is
almost always nylon with glass fibers mixed into it (radiator
supplies and GM dealers have rods of this), and you need to melt
identical nylon (there are several types) into the crack with a
hot air gun (not a regular heat gun but a pinpoint one -- Harbor
Freight sells plastic welding irons and guns, $15 - $65), soldering
iron, or woodburning iron (latter has nonstick Teflon or ceramic
coated tip). You first clean off the crack and melt a fairly deep
groove into it.