Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra hour
of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and never
back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they could quit
messing with the clocks.

"Reggie" wrote in
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"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra
hour of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and
never back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they
could quit messing with the clocks.



Move to AZ. We stay on MST all year.



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when something closes the door from the inside.

On 7 Mar 2015 17:38:56 GMT, KenK wrote:

Move to AZ. We stay on MST all year.

I'm just across the river. On the East Coast of Nevada.

Some cities have workers that cross state lines. PITA to keep up
unless you two watches

Oren wrote in news:b3emfal6qoom6jsvqmck7n81tv71tf7v0v@
4ax.com:

On 7 Mar 2015 17:38:56 GMT, KenK wrote:

Move to AZ. We stay on MST all year.

I'm just across the river. On the East Coast of Nevada.

Some cities have workers that cross state lines. PITA to keep up
unless you two watches


Hi neighbor!

There's an opportunity to make your fortune! Make a digital watch with a
button to change beteen two time zones. I wouldn't be surprized if it
hasn't already been done. If nothing else, some have a need to check GMT.



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You know it's time to clean the refrigerator
when something closes the door from the inside.

KenK wrote:
"Reggie" wrote in
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"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra
hour of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and
never back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they
could quit messing with the clocks.



Move to AZ. We stay on MST all year.



Hi,
Or Saskatchewan.

On 03/06/2015 08:21 PM, Reggie wrote:
"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra hour
of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and never
back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they could quit
messing with the clocks.



Notice that no amount of messing with clocks changes the amount of
daylight. Why would anyone think our government could change the Earth's
rotation (and for PART of the planet, something even more absurd).

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

In article ,
Mark Lloyd wrote:

On 03/06/2015 08:21 PM, Reggie wrote:
"bob haller" wrote in message
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On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra hour
of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and never
back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they could quit
messing with the clocks.



Notice that no amount of messing with clocks changes the amount of
daylight. Why would anyone think our government could change the Earth's
rotation (and for PART of the planet, something even more absurd).

The theory was usable daylight. So you took time off of the time you
were generally sleeping and put it at the end of the day when you are
generally awake. Now, how that works in real life I don't begin to know.
--
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but what they conceal is vital.²
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Neill Massello posted for all of us...



Reggie wrote:

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra hour
of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and never
back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they could quit
messing with the clocks.

Turn the job over to the central banks. They could issue more hours per
day so that everybody would have more time.

I await my Nobel Prize.

If they have more hours they can print more "money". Do you work for the
gov't? :-)

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On 03/07/2015 11:54 AM, Neill Massello wrote:
Reggie wrote:

Whoever runs that DST stuff are fools. They keep giving up the extra hour
of daylight each year. If they just moved forward each year, and never
back, before long we would have 24 hours of daylight. Then they could quit
messing with the clocks.

Turn the job over to the central banks. They could issue more hours per
day so that everybody would have more time.


It a day had 48 hours (same length hours as now), you could retire at
age 33, but it's still feel like 66.


I await my Nobel Prize.



--
"Where is the good in eternal torture?"

On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:11:28 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Same here. I wish they would just leave it DST all year round!

On 03/07/2015 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:11:28 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Same here. I wish they would just leave it DST all year round!


1+ Just chose one. Or even half way in between!

On 03/07/2015 02:52 PM, T wrote:
On 03/07/2015 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:11:28 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Same here. I wish they would just leave it DST all year round!


1+ Just chose one. Or even half way in between!

Any of those. Also, how about this one?

Have DST all year in the Eastern, Mountain, and Alaska-Hawaii timezones.
Do away with DST in the Central, Pacific, and Aleutian timezones. The
effect of this is to have half as many timezones AND get rid of DST.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

On 03/07/2015 01:57 PM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 03/07/2015 02:52 PM, T wrote:
On 03/07/2015 11:54 AM, wrote:
On Fri, 6 Mar 2015 18:11:28 -0800 (PST), bob haller
wrote:

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Same here. I wish they would just leave it DST all year round!


1+ Just chose one. Or even half way in between!

Any of those. Also, how about this one?

Have DST all year in the Eastern, Mountain, and Alaska-Hawaii timezones.
Do away with DST in the Central, Pacific, and Aleutian timezones. The
effect of this is to have half as many timezones AND get rid of DST.


Interesting. Time Zones don't really bother me, but
interesting none the less!

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 3:52:40 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
On 03/07/2015 11:54 AM,

On Friday, March 6, 2015 at 9:07:59 PM UTC-5, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

I LOVE DST more daylight in the evening!

Same here. I wish they would just leave it DST all year round!


1+ Just chose one. Or even half way in between!

I've been promoting 1/2hour forward saving time for years now. 1 hour forward year-round would simple make it too dark in the mornings from November to February, especially in the Western halves of each time zone.

See, I actually researched the effects of all this, so I know what I'm talking about. For every degree East of the prime meridian(middle of a time zone) apparent sunrise will occur 4 minutes earlier. So will moonrise, or the rise of any celestial object. For every degree West of that mid-point of the time zone, apparent sunrise will occur 4 min later.

I.E. Sunrise in Philadelphia PA on March 7 is 6:25AM. Philadelphia happens to be right on the 75th degree prime meridian for the Eastern time Zone. Pittsburgh, while roughly the same latitude, is 4 degrees West of Philly, which equates to a 16-minute delay in apparent sunrise(4 degrees times 4 minutes). Sunrise in Pitt would hence occur at 6:41AM.

Going in the other direction, Boston, slightly north of Philly in latitude, is 6 degrees East of it. So on March 7 sunrise in Boston would be at (6deg x 4 minutes = 24 min) 6:01AM.

Throw DST into the mix the next day, March 8, and that Pittsburgh sunrise is one LATE sunrise - 7:40AM - for this time of year!

On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Only white man think blanket longer, cut
foot off one end and sew on other.

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On Fri, 06 Mar 2015 21:36:50 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Only white man think blanket longer, cut
foot off one end and sew on other.

But you guys change times before Todd does. Three hours earlier than
2:00 am PST

On 03/06/2015 08:36 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Only white man think blanket longer, cut
foot off one end and sew on other.


I remember reading that blanket story in school. I think of it every
time I hear of this DST nonsense.

Yes, you get an extra hour of daylight IN THE EVENING. Thats' because
you did everything earlier, not because TIME changed.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

On Saturday, March 7, 2015 at 4:29:40 PM UTC-5, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 03/06/2015 08:36 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Only white man think blanket longer, cut
foot off one end and sew on other.


I remember reading that blanket story in school. I think of it every
time I hear of this DST nonsense.

Yes, you get an extra hour of daylight IN THE EVENING. Thats' because
you did everything earlier, not because TIME changed.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

"Extra hour of Daylight" is the wrong way to describe the effect of DST. DST does not "add" daylight to the day!

It simply changes when we do things - by changing the time on the CLOCK. You can set your clock to ANY TIME you want it to be, and live by that time. It just means you will be going through your daily routine by that much time earlier or later than everyone else. *Your* 6AM might be everyone else's 5AM, or 4AM, or 7AM, depending on which way you adjusted your clock.

For DST, everyone turns their clock forward 1 hour, so that sunrise, BY THE CLOCK, occurs 1 hour later. It still rises at 6:20 standard time on a given day, but rises at 7:20 BY THE CLOCK during DST. Correspondingly, it sets at 6:50 BY THE CLOCK during DST, as opposed to 5:50pm ordinary time.

This one figures to be high on Bad Golferman's
list next month.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:13:04 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

There is always someone complaining about DST, but you are probably
not managing properly and watching your Daylight Savings account grow.
I've been saving daylight every year and when I retire, I'm going to
use it on a nice long trip. While you are in the dark, I'm going to
enjoy all the daylight I've saved.

Ed Pawlowski posted for all of us...



On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:13:04 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

There is always someone complaining about DST, but you are probably
not managing properly and watching your Daylight Savings account grow.
I've been saving daylight every year and when I retire, I'm going to
use it on a nice long trip. While you are in the dark, I'm going to
enjoy all the daylight I've saved.

You know the IRS will send a refund even though you didn't pay taxes on it?

--
Tekkie *Please post a follow-up*

On 03/07/2015 09:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:13:04 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

There is always someone complaining about DST, but you are probably
not managing properly and watching your Daylight Savings account grow.
I've been saving daylight every year and when I retire, I'm going to
use it on a nice long trip. While you are in the dark, I'm going to
enjoy all the daylight I've saved.


Where do you keep your daylight savings? Do you get interest on it? How
about income tax?

Sam E wrote:
On 03/07/2015 09:56 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On Sat, 07 Mar 2015 08:13:04 -0700, Tony Hwang
wrote:

T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

There is always someone complaining about DST, but you are probably
not managing properly and watching your Daylight Savings account grow.
I've been saving daylight every year and when I retire, I'm going to
use it on a nice long trip. While you are in the dark, I'm going to
enjoy all the daylight I've saved.


Where do you keep your daylight savings? Do you get interest on it? How
about income tax?


Hi,
I bet on the clound, LOL!

It is fully documented that at the end of Indiana's first year ever
of DST(2008?), energy consumption actually went UP.

As far as all these jackos are concerned who enjoy the "lighter
evenings" - get up EARLIER and make use of the daylight once
all your tasks are done!

None of the pro-DSTers seem to consider the effect on sunRISE -
the fact that 6AM comes in darkness(formerly 5am).

On 03/07/2015 07:58 AM, wrote:
It is fully documented that at the end of Indiana's first year ever
of DST(2008?), energy consumption actually went UP.

As far as all these jackos are concerned who enjoy the "lighter
evenings" - get up EARLIER and make use of the daylight once
all your tasks are done!

None of the pro-DSTers seem to consider the effect on sunRISE -
the fact that 6AM comes in darkness(formerly 5am).


It is beyond comprehension.

On 03/07/2015 09:58 AM, wrote:
It is fully documented that at the end of Indiana's first year ever
of DST(2008?), energy consumption actually went UP.

As far as all these jackos are concerned who enjoy the "lighter
evenings" - get up EARLIER and make use of the daylight once
all your tasks are done!

None of the pro-DSTers seem to consider the effect on sunRISE -
the fact that 6AM comes in darkness(formerly 5am).


Of course, that stuff is nonsense. There's no way clocks could control
the sunrise.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

wrote:
It is fully documented that at the end of Indiana's first year ever
of DST(2008?), energy consumption actually went UP.

As far as all these jackos are concerned who enjoy the "lighter
evenings" - get up EARLIER and make use of the daylight once
all your tasks are done!

None of the pro-DSTers seem to consider the effect on sunRISE -
the fact that 6AM comes in darkness(formerly 5am).

Hi,
I read some where the first Monday after DST change, road accident
surges too. Being retired not much concern but not counting automic
time piece, I have to reset more than 10 time pieces, some hung up high
which I have to use step ladder to get at it. It is a chore for sure.

On 3/7/2015 8:13 PM, Tony Hwang wrote:
Being retired not much concern but not counting automic
time piece, I have to reset more than 10 time pieces, some hung up high
which I have to use step ladder to get at it. It is a chore for sure.

Much same, here. And then the 25 or so
clocks at my church.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On 03/07/2015 10:13 AM, Tony Hwang wrote:

Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).
Hi,
Isn't that American invention? I hate turning clocks, watches
forward/backward every year. Why just go to work early or late?

I don't know who invented it, but the UK had year-round one hour of
Daylight Saving Time ("British Summer Time" -- BST) and *two* hours of
Daylight Saving Time ("British Double Summer Time" -- BDST) for part of
the year during, and at various times after, WWII. It enabled harvesting
to be done until 9pm or later without needing artificial light (which
farm equipment typically did not have).

There have been proposals to put the UK's official time one hour ahead
of GMT/UTC permanently, but so far without success:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Summer_Time

Perce

On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Just another example of government stupidity.

On 03/07/2015 10:58 AM, William Willett wrote:
On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Just another example of government stupidity.

I read that DST started out as a joke. That makes sense.

--
Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"To be good is noble, but to teach others how to be good is nobler --
and less trouble." -- Mark Twain

On 3/7/2015 10:58 AM, William Willett wrote:
On 3/6/2015 9:07 PM, T wrote:
Daylight Saving Time (DST) begins on March 8, 2015 at 2:00 am (PST).

Just another example of government stupidity.

Lobbied for by corporate interests. The government hasn't got nearly
as big a stake in DST as certain business interests do, namely those
in the outdoor recreation sector. Give people more daylight after work
to spend outdoors, they'll spend more money on those pursuits, too.
Hence the lawn and garden sector's relentless lobbying to lengthen the
time of year DST is in place.

There's one benefit to society and government from DST: when it is in
effect, the crime rate goes down. Stands to reason: more people are
out and about in the evening than in the morning, and criminals are
more inclined to commit crime in the dark. Less hours of darkness when
people are about means less opportunity for criminals.

Despite the regular-as-clockwork griping about DST every year, surveys
show the majority of people appreciate that extra hour of daylight
after they get home from work.

On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Despite the regular-as-clockwork griping about DST every year, surveys
show the majority of people appreciate that extra hour of daylight
after they get home from work.
____________

Just remember those of us early-risers who get up in darkness
so you can have your "extra hour" of daylight.

wrote in message
...
On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-4,
Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Despite the regular-as-clockwork griping about
DST every year, surveys
show the majority of people appreciate that
extra hour of daylight
after they get home from work.
____________

Just remember those of us early-risers who get
up in darkness
so you can have your "extra hour" of daylight.

Thank You! ;)}

On 3/10/2015 9:43 AM, wrote:
On Tuesday, March 10, 2015 at 9:43:51 AM UTC-4, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Despite the regular-as-clockwork griping about DST every year, surveys
show the majority of people appreciate that extra hour of daylight
after they get home from work.
____________

Just remember those of us early-risers who get up in darkness
so you can have your "extra hour" of daylight.


I'm one of them, and I don't give a ****. I go to work then, and since
I work in an office, I don't care that it's still dark. But when I get
home, I want to do yard work.

On 2015-03-10, Moe DeLoughan wrote:

Lobbied for by corporate interests. The government hasn't got nearly
as big a stake in DST as certain business interests do, namely those
in the outdoor recreation sector. Give people more daylight after work
to spend outdoors, they'll spend more money on those pursuits, too.
Hence the lawn and garden sector's relentless lobbying to lengthen the
time of year DST is in place.

Bingo!!!

I actually heard ABC radio news saying as much, back in the 90s when
they increased DST almost a full month. I tell others this story and
they all poo-poo the notion.

Why else would they create DST? Farmers could give a damn what the
clock sez. They go by the sun. It was theorized the railroads
invented DST, but that's not correct. In the age of incandescent
lighting, it was claimed to have saved energy. In today's LED age,
not so much a problem. Basically, it's big money lobbying greedy
pols, like Moe sez.

nb

In article ,
notbob wrote:

Why else would they create DST? Farmers could give a damn what the
clock sez. They go by the sun. It was theorized the railroads
invented DST, but that's not correct. In the age of incandescent
lighting, it was claimed to have saved energy. In today's LED age,
not so much a problem. Basically, it's big money lobbying greedy
pols, like Moe sez.

nb

A few years ago Indiana changed from Standard time year round to
observing DST. One of the electric utilities did a study comparing the
last year of standard with the first year of daily. Found no differences
even when the adjusted for heating (or maybe it was cooling) degree
days. They caught 6 kinds of hell from those who KNEW DST saved
electricity.
In Indiana, the main reason was confusion in travel and business
from being on NY time and then Chicago time. Especially with big
trucking companies, lots of warehouses and the second biggest Fed Ex
hub. Personally I always hated the first couple of weeks because I
invariably did the math wrong on time zone and missed a couple of
interviews at both ends.
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³Statistics are like bikinis. What they reveal is suggestive,
but what they conceal is vital.²
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