Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 10:41:25 -0700, Todd wrote:

Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014

So what? I hate clocks. Refuse to wear a watch

http://www.netpaths.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/flavor-flav.jpg

I ran into him at the local bank. Weak hand shake .... ugh.

"Todd" wrote in message
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Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014


Not every state observes DST.

And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour.

In article ,
says...

"Todd" wrote in message
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Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014


Not every state observes DST.

And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour.

Why? They're just numbers on the clock. We're just pretending. (and I
think you mean 'back' another hour)

Todd wrote: "Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014 "

Todd, if I were standing in front of you I'd give you a super loud high-five and a Vulcan salute! Great minds think alike!

On 10/30/2014 1:41 PM, Todd wrote:
Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014

Not stupid at all. I checked my account balance and the daylight I've
saved so far will give me an extra two hours of daylight every day when
I retire. Go ahead, sit in the dark, but I won't be.I sved my daylight.

Terrable wrote: "And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour. "

Point #1: "Savings Time", like "nu-qu-lar" weapons, just rolls off the common tongue easier. I'm dyslexic, so saying them the correct way is second-nature to me.


Point #2: Daylight Saving isn't a magic wand that adds hours of daylight. Advancing the clocks another hour works - if you want sunrises after 9AM in New York and at 10AM in indianapolis(same zone as NY).

On 10/30/14, 1:41 PM, Todd wrote:
Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014


As the old gal down the street keeps saying, "I wish they would quit
messing around with this time change thing, my roses need all the
sunlight they can get" !

On Thu, 30 Oct 2014 18:01:57 -0700 (PDT), wrote:

Terrable wrote: "And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour. "

Point #1: "Savings Time", like "nu-qu-lar" weapons, just rolls off the common tongue easier. I'm dyslexic, so saying them the correct way is second-nature to me.

Di you hear about the agnostic dyslexic insomniac?



He stayed up all night wondering if there really was a dog.

"Todd" wrote in message ...
Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014

Fall forward! ;O)

I thought it was Delight Savings Time. I've been banking all of my excess
happiness.

Dave M.

On 10/30/2014 10:43 PM, Retired wrote:
On 10/30/14, 1:41 PM, Todd wrote:
Here in the States, Daylight Stupid Time ends Sunday November 2, 2014


As the old gal down the street keeps saying, "I wish they would quit
messing around with this time change thing, my roses need all the
sunlight they can get" !


Old expression quoting an old American Indian:

"Only white man think cut foot off end of blanket
and sew on other end make blanket longer."

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 10/31/2014 07:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

[snip]

"Only white man think cut foot off end of blanket
and sew on other end make blanket longer."

That's the story I heard in school. I think of it when thinking of DST.

Some effects of DST:

1. You have an excuse to set your clocks right, twice a year.

2. The main reason there are hundreds of time zones in the world,
instead of 25.

3. Some days have 23 or 25 hours.

4. Animals get confused when they expect to be fed at a certain time.

5. There's no 1:30 AM one day, and TWO 1:30 AM another.

6. You think you're doing something at the same time every day, but
you're not. Its just CALLED the same time.

7. You think you're getting more daylight. That makes no real sense.

[snip]

--
55 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Eve was framed" -- Annie Laurie Gaylor

On 10/31/2014 10:21 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/31/2014 07:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

[snip]

"Only white man think cut foot off end of blanket
and sew on other end make blanket longer."

That's the story I heard in school. I think of it when thinking of DST.

Some effects of DST:

1. You have an excuse to set your clocks right, twice a year.

2. The main reason there are hundreds of time zones in the world, instead of 25.

3. Some days have 23 or 25 hours.

4. Animals get confused when they expect to be fed at a certain time.

5. There's no 1:30 AM one day, and TWO 1:30 AM another.

6. You think you're doing something at the same time every day, but you're not. Its just CALLED the same time.

7. You think you're getting more daylight. That makes no real sense.

[snip]


But the number one reason...that trumps all other reasons...

It's for the kids!

terrable wrote:

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour.

We should push the clocks ahead an hour every week, just to get a jump
on the future.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:50:41 -0500, Mike Hartigan
wrote:

So much for the promise "If you like your daylight, you can keep your
daylight!"

It won't cost you a single dime.

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 11:34:23 -0600, (Neill
Massello) wrote:

terrable wrote:

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour.

We should push the clocks ahead an hour every week, just to get a jump
on the future.

Ten minutes early for every appointment?

I hate clocks...in a good way; "I'll get there when I get there!".

On 10/30/2014 04:53 PM, terrable wrote:
And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

I prefer Daylight Stupid Time

Todd: Or, Daylight SLaving Time - more subtle! Forces you up while it's still dark out. LOL

Todd: Or Daylight SLaving Time! Forces you up while it's still dark out. LOL

On 10/31/2014 1:34 PM, Neill Massello wrote:
terrable wrote:

For the winter we should push the clock ahead another hour.

We should push the clocks ahead an hour every week, just to get a jump
on the future.


Would that make women pushy mother
clockers?

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Learn about Jesus
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On 10/31/2014 2:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:50:41 -0500, Mike Hartigan
wrote:

So much for the promise "If you like your daylight, you can keep your
daylight!"

It won't cost you a single dime.


Will save an average of $2500 per
family on daylight.

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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On 10/31/2014 03:05 PM, wrote:
Todd: Or Daylight SLaving Time! Forces you up while it's still dark out. LOL


:-)

On 10/31/2014 03:15 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 10/31/2014 2:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:50:41 -0500, Mike Hartigan
wrote:

So much for the promise "If you like your daylight, you can keep your
daylight!"

It won't cost you a single dime.


Will save an average of $2500 per
family on daylight.


Hi Stomin',

I know you push Daylight Stupid Time on us as it
is easier to see flaming kittens you launch across
the lake in the dark!

I am outraged by this. OUTRAGED I TELL YOU!

-T

We still on for your famous barbecued baby seal?

:-)

On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 18:15:52 -0400, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 10/31/2014 2:40 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 31 Oct 2014 10:50:41 -0500, Mike Hartigan
wrote:

So much for the promise "If you like your daylight, you can keep your
daylight!"

It won't cost you a single dime.


Will save an average of $2500 per
family on daylight.

Not true. Families lost ~ $2500 -with more to come since last year.
--
.... if I had the perfect woman, I'd want twins -- Blackberry Smoke

On 10/31/2014 9:34 AM, _G_0_D_ wrote:
On 10/31/2014 10:21 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 10/31/2014 07:43 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

[snip]

"Only white man think cut foot off end of blanket
and sew on other end make blanket longer."

That's the story I heard in school. I think of it when thinking of DST.

Some effects of DST:

1. You have an excuse to set your clocks right, twice a year.

2. The main reason there are hundreds of time zones in the world,
instead of 25.

25? (360 degrees divided by 15 degrees equals 24)

On 11/1/2014 12:41 AM, IGot2P wrote:
"Only white man think cut foot off end of blanket
and sew on other end make blanket longer."

1. You have an excuse to set your clocks right, twice a year.

2. The main reason there are hundreds of time zones in the world,
instead of 25.

25? (360 degrees divided by 15 degrees equals 24)


And the time zones span all 57 states.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16Tu3kR77NE

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Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
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..

On 10/31/2014 03:06 PM, Todd wrote:
On 10/30/2014 04:53 PM, terrable wrote:
And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

I prefer Daylight Stupid Time

My website has a lot of server-side (PHP) scripts that handle time
settings in different places.

In the comments, I call DST "Damn Stupid Time", considering that it
makes handling times MUCH more complicated.

For one thing, without DST every day would be 24 hours long.

--
54 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"This is not a dress rehearsal. This is the only world you will ever
know and this is the only life you will ever have. Seize the Day."

Considering "Daylight Savings", sometimes I've wished I had a flashlight
that works in reverse, emitting darkness while recharging the battery.

On 10/31/2014 11:41 PM, IGot2P wrote:

[snip]

25? (360 degrees divided by 15 degrees equals 24)

It's 25 rather than 24 because the 0-degree line is in the MIDDLE of a
time zone. So, on the other side of the world there are 2 half-width
zones, -12 hours and +12 hours which are 24 hours apart (NOT the same time).

--
54 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"This is not a dress rehearsal. This is the only world you will ever
know and this is the only life you will ever have. Seize the Day."

On Sat, 01 Nov 2014 13:52:44 -0500, sam E
wrote:

Considering "Daylight Savings", sometimes I've wished I had a flashlight
that works in reverse, emitting darkness while recharging the battery.

If frogs had wings, they wouldn't bump their ass. You may be on to
something here!

On 11/1/2014 2:52 PM, sam E wrote:
Considering "Daylight Savings", sometimes
I've wished I had a flashlight
that works in reverse, emitting darkness
while recharging the battery.

Harbor Freight had them for 40% off last week.

-
..
Christopher A. Young
Learn about Jesus
www.lds.org
..

Mark Lloyd writes:

On 10/31/2014 03:06 PM, Todd wrote:
On 10/30/2014 04:53 PM, terrable wrote:
And the proper name is Daylight Saving Time.

I prefer Daylight Stupid Time

My website has a lot of server-side (PHP) scripts that handle time
settings in different places.

In the comments, I call DST "Damn Stupid Time", considering that it
makes handling times MUCH more complicated.

For one thing, without DST every day would be 24 hours long.

I would think one would use UTC and simply convert upon
display for the correct TZ rather than farting around with
DST conversions. Microsoft's insistance on storing time
relative to the local timezone was a poor choice, that's
true.

On 11/03/2014 10:10 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

[snip]

I would think one would use UTC and simply convert upon
display for the correct TZ rather than farting around with
DST conversions. Microsoft's insistance on storing time
relative to the local timezone was a poor choice, that's
true.


My server runs on Red Hat Linux, and storing time as UTC (no DST!) does
help a lot. However, there are still numerous situations requiring
display of local time, and INPUT of local time.

--
51 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

"Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand."
-- Mark Twain

Mark Lloyd writes:
On 11/03/2014 10:10 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

[snip]

I would think one would use UTC and simply convert upon
display for the correct TZ rather than farting around with
DST conversions. Microsoft's insistance on storing time
relative to the local timezone was a poor choice, that's
true.


My server runs on Red Hat Linux, and storing time as UTC (no DST!) does
help a lot. However, there are still numerous situations requiring
display of local time, and INPUT of local time.


Things that strftime(3)/strptime(3) won't handle?

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs.../strptime.html
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs.../strftime.html

On 11/04/2014 08:19 AM, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On 11/03/2014 10:10 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

[snip]

I would think one would use UTC and simply convert upon
display for the correct TZ rather than farting around with
DST conversions. Microsoft's insistance on storing time
relative to the local timezone was a poor choice, that's
true.


My server runs on Red Hat Linux, and storing time as UTC (no DST!) does
help a lot. However, there are still numerous situations requiring
display of local time, and INPUT of local time.


Hi Mark,

1+

So do mine. Never had any trouble what-so-ever.

Do you remember when Windows would keep resetting 2:00
back to 1:00 over and over. Told everyone to leave there
computer off that night. Chuckle, Chuckle.

Heads up on Red Hat 7. It is pure 64 bit. If you are
running any 32 bit Windows apps under Wine, y o u a r e
s o s c r e w e d. It is an absolute disaster.

-T

On 11/04/2014 11:47 AM, Todd wrote:

[snip]


1+

So do mine. Never had any trouble what-so-ever.

Do you remember when Windows would keep resetting 2:00
back to 1:00 over and over. Told everyone to leave there
computer off that night. Chuckle, Chuckle.

Yes.

Also, there's a way to set Windows to use a clock chip using UTC.

Heads up on Red Hat 7. It is pure 64 bit. If you are
running any 32 bit Windows apps under Wine, y o u a r e
s o s c r e w e d. It is an absolute disaster.

And I need the 64-bit clock, since I need times after early 2038.

-T


--
50 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains
people as to how they shall think." [Arthur Schopenhauer]

On 11/04/2014 10:50 AM, Scott Lurndal wrote:

[snip]

Things that strftime(3)/strptime(3) won't handle?

http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs.../strptime.html
http://pubs.opengroup.org/onlinepubs.../strftime.html


These help a lot. There's still a lot they don't do.

For one thing, they depend on having the correct timezone set. This
requires reading the PHP database. One of the main reasons is to help a
user select a timezone (I display this info at
http://notstupid.us/dtc_help.php/timezones).

One thing I want to do is determine the amount of time between now and
some future event.

Subtracting the current time from the future time returns the correct
number of seconds, but I want it in days. I can divide this number by
86400 (the number of seconds in 24 hours). This is SOMETIMES right.

The first thing I did was calculate the days until Thanksgiving. The
result for today is correct. When I did it on Halloween, the result was
1 hour off. The cause of this mess is (of course) DST. One day (this
year in the US it was Nov 2) has 25 hours it in. Another day in the
Spring will have 23 hours (the number of hours per day can be found by
subtracting 00:00:00 today from 00:00:00 tomorrow and dividing by 3600).

So I need to correct for that. If the current DST state is different
from the future DST state, the time will need to be adjusted by the DST
offset.

DST offset is usually 0 (no DST) or 3600 (1 hour), although there can be
exceptions. Currently the only exception seems to be 1800 for Lord Howe
Island.



--
50 days until the winter celebration (Thursday December 25, 2014
12:00:00 AM for 1 day).

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.us

Religion is the masterpiece of the art of animal training, for it trains
people as to how they shall think." [Arthur Schopenhauer]