My dad told of setting a fire under the crankcase of two Forson
tractors, hoping that one would start or they had to harness the team.
Born 1920, died 2015 at 94.

On 2/25/2015 7:20 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 07:15 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:51:43 -0600, philo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0

Reminds me, as a kid, riding in Model A Fords in swamps. My uncle made
my brother walk because he refused to let a rattlesnake go that he
caught. Moonshine or kerosene worked as fuel supplements




I recall once talking to an old timer who told me his father's Model T
would start even if it was 20 below.

He said they'd put a try of glowing coals beneath the engine block.


Not sure if that would be a good idea today.

On Sun, 01 Mar 2015 21:22:57 -0600, DanG wrote:

My dad told of setting a fire under the crankcase of two Forson
tractors, hoping that one would start or they had to harness the team.
Born 1920, died 2015 at 94.

On 2/25/2015 7:20 PM, philo wrote:
On 02/25/2015 07:15 PM, Oren wrote:
On Wed, 25 Feb 2015 18:51:43 -0600, philo wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/embed/nq2jY1trxqg?rel=0

Reminds me, as a kid, riding in Model A Fords in swamps. My uncle made
my brother walk because he refused to let a rattlesnake go that he
caught. Moonshine or kerosene worked as fuel supplements




I recall once talking to an old timer who told me his father's Model T
would start even if it was 20 below.

He said they'd put a try of glowing coals beneath the engine block.


Not sure if that would be a good idea today.
A guy who worked with me aa a mechanic back in the late sixties had a
61 corvair. He lived on a farm in the central ontario snow belt 20
some miles from town, and parked the old 'vair in the corn crib. On
cold mornings he'd get up and go out to the corn crib before breakfast
and take a steel "T" femce post wrapped in burlap and chicken wire out
of the barrel of used engine oil, splash a bit of gasoline on it,
light it with his cigar, and stick it under the back of the corvair.
When it was burnoing well, he went back in for breakfast, ant the
engine was nice and toasty warm when he came back out.
The back of that banana yellow corvair was a ball of tar!!!! He never
missed a day of work because it woudn't start.

On 3/1/2015 10:22 PM, DanG wrote:

My dad told of setting a fire under the crankcase of two Forson
tractors, hoping that one would start or they had to harness the team.
Born 1920, died 2015 at 94.



I recall once talking to an old timer who told me his father's Model T
would start even if it was 20 below.

He said they'd put a try of glowing coals beneath the engine block.


Not sure if that would be a good idea today.

I'm often amazed at the very clever and thoughtful
ways people have managed to get things done. I've
heard that in some early horse drawn carriages, they
had afirebox in the front to keep feet warm.

I don't have the source of this story, only my memory of
things. Story of one of the early Mormon wagon trains going
west to Utah druing the winter. The two sisters, and only
enough space for one to ride in the coverred wagon. When
they arrived at Utah, the one who had ridden had major
frostbite, and lost her lower legs to frostbite. The sister
who had trudged behind the agon had enough circulation that
it was very cold, but she kept her legs.

Some times a curse.... isn't.

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On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:47:18 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I don't have the source of this story, only my memory of
things. Story of one of the early Mormon wagon trains going
west to Utah druing the winter. The two sisters, and only
enough space for one to ride in the coverred wagon. When
they arrived at Utah, the one who had ridden had major
frostbite, and lost her lower legs to frostbite. The sister
who had trudged behind the agon had enough circulation that
it was very cold, but she kept her legs.

I have read that the Mormons did not use covered wagons for that trip.

They had two wheel carts, pulled (or pushed?) by people, and made far better time than the oxen pulled covered wagons.

The sister who trudged may have been pulling the cart rather than riding. It does make sense that someone riding would get cold.

On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 8:24:10 AM UTC-5, TimR wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:47:18 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I don't have the source of this story, only my memory of
things. Story of one of the early Mormon wagon trains going
west to Utah druing the winter. The two sisters, and only
enough space for one to ride in the coverred wagon. When
they arrived at Utah, the one who had ridden had major
frostbite, and lost her lower legs to frostbite. The sister
who had trudged behind the agon had enough circulation that
it was very cold, but she kept her legs.

I have read that the Mormons did not use covered wagons for that trip.

They had two wheel carts, pulled (or pushed?) by people, and made far better time than the oxen pulled covered wagons.

The sister who trudged may have been pulling the cart rather than riding. It does make sense that someone riding would get cold.

Hmm.
Found this story of the carts gone bad:
http://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/martins-cove

And this article with construction details:
http://heritage.uen.org/companies/Wcc558845eddb9.htm

And the wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mormon_handcart_pioneers

On 3/2/2015 8:24 AM, TimR wrote:
On Monday, March 2, 2015 at 7:47:18 AM UTC-5, Stormin Mormon wrote:
I don't have the source of this story, only my memory of
things. Story of one of the early Mormon wagon trains going
west to Utah druing the winter. The two sisters, and only

I have read that the Mormons did not use covered wagons for that trip.

They had two wheel carts, pulled (or pushed?) by people,
and made far better time than the oxen pulled covered wagons.

The sister who trudged may have been pulling the cart
rather than riding. It does make sense that someone
riding would get cold.


There was more than one year of travel. More than one
group who made the trip. Some had covered wagons, and
others did not. The hand carts got more publicity in
recent years.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
.. www.lds.org
..
..

On 3/2/2015 8:34 AM, TimR wrote:
I have read that the Mormons did not use
covered wagons for that trip.

They had two wheel carts, pulled (or pushed?)
by people, and made far better time than the oxen
pulled covered wagons.

The sister who trudged may have been pulling
the cart rather than riding. It does make sense
that someone riding would get cold.


http://heritage.uen.org/companies/Wce12e3ec9f140.htm

In 1860 Mormon leaders abandoned the handcart experiment
in favor of the church ox-team method. This was done for
two reasons: the discovery that loaded ox teams could be
sent from Utah to the Missouri, pick up emigrants (and
merchandise), and return to Utah in one season, and for
better use of the church's own resources, that is to
save money. Furthermore, although cheaper and somewhat
faster, the handcart system was never popular. In the
few instances where emigrants had a choice between
handcarts and wagon trains, most chose the latter.

By means of these "down and back" trips, the Mormons
could export their own flour, beans, and bacon to
supply the emigrants, and use the cash saved to buy
and freight back needed supplies not available in
Utah. Furthermore emigrants could be saved the
expense and trouble of obtaining their own wagons
or carts and draft animals to take them west.