Friday Jan 23, 2015
Forwarded from a friend.
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OK my very expensive 5 yr old Frigidaire dishwasher that is of course 2
weeks out of the extended warranty has died. It turned on last night on
the timer at midnight and I heard the water kick on in the hot water
tank that is on the other side of my bedroom wall (otherwise the
dishwasher its silent).

I got up this morning and there is water in the bottom of the dishwasher.

Than I noticed that none of the lights will light up on the control
panel (its flat panel with led lights above each control). It has
never given me a problem until today.

I checked my house power power
I replaced the old breaker with a new one I had for a extra
I checked all my GFI switches in this house (had that happen before lol).
I have 120 volts at the receipticle
I have 120 volts at the the power connection under the dishwasher
I have 120 volts going into the main Control board
I have proper continunity at the float switch in both positions (open/close)
I have power at both of the door latch switches in the open & close
Nothing has scorch marks on it, nothing smells like burned wires, and it
looks just as nice and new as the day I bought it.

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday, can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.

Also there is a printed circuit board that is under the touch panel, it
just senses the touches, and sends info to the circuit board... I dont
think its this one... I think its the main board that controls
everything.... because if something is going to go wrong its always the
worst one for me.

On 1/23/2015 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday, can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.


Certainly sounds like the circuit board.

Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 2:38:48 PM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 1/23/2015 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday, can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.


Certainly sounds like the circuit board.

Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

my whirlpool dishwasher has ate several boards over its lifetime of 2 years.

new designed stuff is not designed to last.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:48:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:

On 1/23/2015 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday, can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.


Certainly sounds like the circuit board.

Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

What about target practice? Take the machine outside, first.

Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friday Jan 23, 2015
Forwarded from a friend.
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
==============================

OK my very expensive 5 yr old Frigidaire dishwasher that is of course 2
weeks out of the extended warranty has died. It turned on last night on
the timer at midnight and I heard the water kick on in the hot water
tank that is on the other side of my bedroom wall (otherwise the
dishwasher its silent).

I got up this morning and there is water in the bottom of the dishwasher.

Than I noticed that none of the lights will light up on the control
panel (its flat panel with led lights above each control). It has
never given me a problem until today.

I checked my house power power
I replaced the old breaker with a new one I had for a extra
I checked all my GFI switches in this house (had that happen before lol).
I have 120 volts at the receipticle
I have 120 volts at the the power connection under the dishwasher
I have 120 volts going into the main Control board
I have proper continunity at the float switch in both positions
(open/close)
I have power at both of the door latch switches in the open & close
Nothing has scorch marks on it, nothing smells like burned wires, and it
looks just as nice and new as the day I bought it.

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday, can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.

Also there is a printed circuit board that is under the touch panel, it
just senses the touches, and sends info to the circuit board... I dont
think its this one... I think its the main board that controls
everything.... because if something is going to go wrong its always the
worst one for me.



If you measured 120 volts at the control board, see if the board is
converting it to DC. The logic board is going to operate on DC and it
probably will have a fuse in the circuit that creates the DC. I don't
know what your capabilities are with respect to circuits, but that is
where I would start. If you cannot trouble shoot the circuit and have
no DC, buy a control board.

Typical points of failure on circuit boards these days , especially with
no/low lead solder techniques, are cold solder joints and bad
electrolytic capacitors. Surface mount technology using grain of rice
size components requires magnification, special tools, and kid glove
treatment.

On 1/23/2015 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friday Jan 23, 2015
Forwarded from a friend.

Sigh. Try to help people......

.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
==============================

On 1/23/2015 1:27 PM, wrote:

Thank you.

I think im just going yo buy another one... with my luck I will buy
the board anf have it fail again... or something else break. I found a
nice one on a year end clearance from over $1000 down to $479 wiyh every
bell & whistle. Its stainless inside & out and only 40dba so it should
be quiet

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On 1/23/2015 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Certainly sounds like the circuit board.

Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

I must agree with you. That's what I'd do.

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Christopher A. Young
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On 1/23/2015 2:49 PM, bob haller wrote:

my whirlpool dishwasher has ate several boards over its lifetime of 2 years.

new designed stuff is not designed to last.


Agree. Anyhow, I heard back. She's replacing the
whole dish washer.

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On 1/23/2015 2:57 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:48:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

What about target practice? Take the machine outside, first.


Kerosene, and use outdoors as a chimnea
to keep the yard warm.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On 1/23/2015 3:14 PM, Ken wrote:
If you measured 120 volts at the control board, see if the board is
converting it to DC. The logic board is going to operate on DC and it
probably will have a fuse in the circuit that creates the DC. I don't
know what your capabilities are with respect to circuits, but that is
where I would start. If you cannot trouble shoot the circuit and have
no DC, buy a control board.

Never met the woman in person, but now
days few people can diagnose to that
level. I'm sure you are right, BTW.

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On 1/23/2015 3:55 PM, Steve Stone wrote:
Typical points of failure on circuit boards these days , especially with
no/low lead solder techniques, are cold solder joints and bad
electrolytic capacitors. Surface mount technology using grain of rice
size components requires magnification, special tools, and kid glove
treatment.


Aye, matey. Beyond me ol ham fists.


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Christopher A. Young
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On Friday, January 23, 2015 at 3:11:42 PM UTC-6, Stormin Mormon wrote:
On 1/23/2015 2:48 PM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Certainly sounds like the circuit board.

Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

I must agree with you. That's what I'd do.

You can use your regulation Mormon undies though...otherwise our retinas will be burned!

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:24:22 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/23/2015 2:57 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 14:48:26 -0500, Ed Pawlowski wrote:


Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

What about target practice? Take the machine outside, first.


Kerosene, and use outdoors as a chimnea
to keep the yard warm.


Perhaps you mean "Chimenea"

.....a freestanding front-loading fireplace or oven with a bulbous body
and usually a vertical smoke vent or chimney.

"In Mexico, when the cooking pot or Chimenea cracked and fell apart,
the people simply scooped some more mud or river clay together and
made another."

Or use "...use of automotive repair putty or high temperature epoxy."

My dog had a " bulbus glandis" according to the doctor. She didn't
charge me any money for the exam and explanation.

On 1/23/2015 5:27 PM, bob_villa wrote:
Couple of suggestions. Burn incense, chant, dance naked in front of it.
If none of that works, I'd go for the new board.

I must agree with you. That's what I'd do.

You can use your regulation Mormon undies though...otherwise our retinas will be burned!


Too late, gone viral on Youtube. Just don't tell
my Bishop, eh?

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Christopher A. Young
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On 1/23/2015 5:31 PM, Oren wrote:
On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:24:22 -0500, Stormin Mormon
Kerosene, and use outdoors as a chimnea
to keep the yard warm.


Perhaps you mean "Chimenea"

....a freestanding front-loading fireplace or oven with a bulbous body
and usually a vertical smoke vent or chimney.

"In Mexico, when the cooking pot or Chimenea cracked and fell apart,
the people simply scooped some more mud or river clay together and
made another."


Amazing, the things out there, waiting to
be learned.

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Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:02:31 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:


OK my very expensive 5 yr old Frigidaire dishwasher that is of course 2

Major problem. Trying to wash dishes with cold air is impractical.

You need soap and water.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 13:02:31 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

Friday Jan 23, 2015
Forwarded from a friend.
.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
==============================

OK my very expensive 5 yr old Frigidaire dishwasher that is of course 2
weeks out of the extended warranty has died. It turned on last night on
the timer at midnight and I heard the water kick on in the hot water
tank that is on the other side of my bedroom wall (otherwise the
dishwasher its silent).

I got up this morning and there is water in the bottom of the dishwasher.

Than I noticed that none of the lights will light up on the control
panel (its flat panel with led lights above each control). It has
never given me a problem until today.

I checked my house power power
I replaced the old breaker with a new one I had for a extra

I would have just set my meter to 200 vac and checked the output of the
breaker, or of the receptacle that the DW might be plugged into. In
theory the new breaker could be bad and it needs the same test, so just
test the one in there now.

I checked all my GFI switches in this house (had that happen before lol).
I have 120 volts at the receipticle

You can use that yellow thing with 3 LEDs that plugs into the
receptacle.

I have 120 volts at the the power connection under the dishwasher

There you go. If you'd done that first, no point in checking the breaker
or the receptacle at all.

But I'll give you a lot of credit for all the tests you did, regardless
of the order. Some people don't even get to the first test, let alone
these.

I have 120 volts going into the main Control board
I have proper continunity at the float switch in both positions (open/close)
I have power at both of the door latch switches in the open & close
Nothing has scorch marks on it, nothing smells like burned wires, and it
looks just as nice and new as the day I bought it.

Before I spend $231.99 plus shipping on a new circuit board so I can
have it here for monday,

Anyone can go without a dishwasher for a month.

can anyone give me any other idea on what it
could be? While I still have it apart and can check it out.

Call the warranty people and see if they'll give you two more weeks. I
have no idea if they will or not.

Also there is a printed circuit board that is under the touch panel, it
just senses the touches, and sends info to the circuit board... I dont
think its this one... I think its the main board that controls
everything.... because if something is going to go wrong its always the
worst one for me.

Well, if the touch board were bad, that woudn't stop the lights from
going on.

I havent' worked on anything this new. The stuff I worked on would
have near where the AC comes in, to power the control panel maybe a
transformer to lower the voltage, then 2 diodes to make it DC, a
moderately big capaacitor to get rid of the AC hum. then a wire to the
switch on the switch panel, which I gather is just a touch panel, maybe
actual mechanical switches or maybe just capacitance from the touch of
your finger. If the latter, I don't know what that circuit looks like.

If the former, actual mechancial switches, whatever is mechanical is
always the weak point in devices for the last 30 years or more. Right
now the Talk button on my cordless phone has to be pushed harder than it
used to. YOu and I will have to try taking it apart to take the swtich
apart and clean it with contact cleaner or by scraping lightly with a
knife, getting harder until it has no blackness, or until it even
shines.

But if you don't have to push AT ALL it's capacitance, which doesn't
give the reassuring movement, and doesn't seem like it should work at
all, but it eliminates the mechanical swtiches, which is a good thing
for longevity.

If you're lucky, maybe it's the ground for the circuit board. Find the
ground for the LED's, they'll all share one. Maybe it's a circuit trace
that runs around the outside, or around the outside of mounting screws
or is somehow connected to the neutral of the AC. And make sure the
ground on the board is actually grounded. Not sure how you should do
this.

Also, look for cold solder joints, on the non-device side of the control
board, solder joints with a black line around them that means the board
is not really connected to the pin from the resistor or capacitor.
Before resoldering, make sure you find out how to do it to not overheat
a transistor or Integrated Circuit. Some people just resolder every
connnection on the board. (My cute neigbhor had a Honda that wouldnt'
start because of a bad solder connection in the "main" relay box, under
the dash. . So common on Hondas there were webpages about it and Click
and Clack answered a question about it. To fix it all you had to do
was resolder one connection but if you didn't know which one, there were
12 altoghether. )

So google your problem.too. STart with the brand, the word dishwasher
or the model number. Then eliminate model number, maybe just the
things "name", Dishsupremacy. Then without the name.

I'm out of ideas, and even these only apply if your circuit board hasn't
changed much since the older ones I've dealt with.

On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 16:10:42 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

On 1/23/2015 1:02 PM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Friday Jan 23, 2015
Forwarded from a friend.

Sigh. Try to help people......

.
Christopher A. Young
learn more about Jesus
. www.lds.org
.
==============================

On 1/23/2015 1:27 PM, wrote:

Thank you.

I think im just going yo buy another one... with my luck I will buy
the board anf have it fail again... or something else break. I found a
nice one on a year end clearance from over $1000 down to $479 wiyh every
bell & whistle.

My mother would say, Something more to go wrong. I used to disagree
with her, but from what you guys say, after 50 years, she's finally
right. She actually did have a power window fail, but the cranks fail
too.

Its stainless inside & out and only 40dba so it should
be quiet

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On Fri, 23 Jan 2015 17:56:09 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote:

"In Mexico, when the cooking pot or Chimenea cracked and fell apart,
the people simply scooped some more mud or river clay together and
made another."


Amazing, the things out there, waiting to
be learned.

People in New York need to learn.